
Humanity is always way more complex than Hollywood wants it to be. A narrative loves a hero and a villain with no room for sympathy for the villainous.
But people don't usually act like that. Most people act out of what they truly, deeply believe to be right. So chances are, we've all seen a villain on film or TV that we relate to just a little bit.
So when Redditor Winologue asked:
"In which movie did the villain actually have a point?"
Here were some of those answers.
Nobody Puts Baby In A Corner
"Baby's dad in Dirty Dancing. He just wanted to keep a sketchy dance instructor from diddling his daughter."-Willy-Wanger
"Watched this after not seeing it since I was a kid, and realized Baby's dad was also pretty open-minded for the time."-spinderella1780
The Villain Of Tenacious D
"School Of Rock. Principal Mullens definitely had a right to be concerned, No Vacancy had a right to kick him out of the band, and Ned and his girlfriend had a right to be pissed at their roommate for not paying rent."-lomlomlom
"Jack Black characters are often a**holes in his early years if you look at it. He makes a convincing one but without actually being one."-Junckopolo
The Wrath Of Loneliness
"Khan was right, Kirk could have at least sent a fruit basket a long over the years."-MAJORMETAL84
"He probably reported it to Starfleet. 'Oh, btw I found SuperHitler and instead of beelining it to Earth where he can face trial for genocide, I decided to drop him on Planet Australia to see if hard work will mold him into a better person.'"
"'Just figured I'd say something, check up on him or don't, I don't care.'"-captainedwinkrieger
If a movie was made from their point of view, how would the audience feel then?
The Black Pearl
"Barbossa, he just wanted to be uncursed. Granted he was being a real a-hole about it..."-ItssHarrison
"Well, he had been dealing with Jack Sparrow for decades. No one actually likes Jack Sparrow except the audience. His former crew mutinied. He constantly betrays everyone around him."
"He tries to abandon ship by himself when the kraken comes. He makes out with another man's fiancée. And he drinks all the fricking rum. He's only tolerated because he's clever, has a magic compass, and is extremely lucky."-user deleted
Darth Tyranus The Traitor
"Easy. Attack of the Clones. The Villain, Count Dooku, straight up told Obi-wan that the Galactic republic was under control of a Sith Master."
"Which, this bothered me. Ok, so you think Count Dooku was lying. Couldn't like one Jedi double check the vetting on the Chancellor, just to make sure? Wouldn't that have been prudent 'hey, just in case guys, let's look into this.'"-encyclodoc
Hyuckin' Worried
"Now he wasn't really a villain, but he was the antagonist, Goofy in A Goofy Movie had understandably good reasons to be scared for his son from his perspective."-Ussh06
"The real villain was a lack of communication. 'Hey dad before we go on this road trip can I go to this end of the school year party first?'"
"'There's this girl I really like whose going to be there and wanted me to be there too,' was all it would have taken for Goofy to delay the road trip a bit and avoid all the shenanigans."
"Or if that was out of the question, later on he could have said 'Hey dad can we add a stop onto the road trip and go to a concert?' instead of having to get all underhanded and weird..."-Wooper160
I'll Get You My Pretty
"Wizard of Oz. Yeah, she was a witch but c'mon. They were her dead sisters shoes. She should have them. Not some stranger who just showed up and wants them."
"Oh by the way, this stranger that just showed up, was the one that killed her sister. Sad really."-paulvs88
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"911 what's your emergency?" is the first part of the script. After that, operators rely on their training and instinct. It could be really serious or someth...Can you imagine an entire perspective into the people society truly wants you to villainize? How would you perceive them?
Ruined By Sam Raimi
"Flint Marko (AKA Sandman) from Spider-Man 3. He's a desperate father with a daughter on her deathbed, just trying to amass the funding necessary to bring her back to health."-CorgisDie
"They really screwed that one up. He coulda been a great sympathetic villain if the studio hadn't forced them into adding Venom. Damned story was pulled in all directions, Marko's character never got any proper development."-jake106
Manifest Destiny
"A really underrated animated film called Battle for Terra. The human race was dying and basically was going to colonize the nearest planet their refugee ships drifted toward, but they would be committing genocide on the native inhabitants due to terraforming."
"The villain was a heartless killer but he made a very good point for doing what he did."
"'Future generations may call me a monster... But because of me, there will be future generations.'"
"I didn't like him, but I couldn't deny that he cared about humanity."-nooshdog
Chronicles
"I don't know if you can really call him the villain but Andrew in Chronicle was right in a twisted way."
"Nobody helps him, everyone does whatever they want with no consideration for how it affects everyone else simply because they can."
"Suddenly when he finds himself with the power to take what he wants and do what he wants, he does just that."-Purplewizzlefrisby
Classist Classic
"Malvolio from Twelfth Night."
"Guy just wanted to be a nobleman and be rich. Is that such a bad dream for a commoner to have?"
"Apparently it is, because to the noblemen, that warrants tricking him, locking him in a cage and gas lighting him. No wonder he wants revenge."
- TheAynRandFan
Purple Rain
"Not a comment on their real-life talents or personalities... heck, Prince wrote The Time's music for the movie... but within the universe of the movie, Morris Day in Purple Rain."
"The Time delivered consistently good shows that the crowd seemed to love, while The Kid was hit and miss because he dragged his personal baggage up onto the stage half the time."
"Not to mention The Kid's dismissive attitude and borderline abusive behavior toward his female bandmates."
"The whole reason Apollonia came to the club in the first place was to put herself on the path to a music career. Morris actually HELPED her with her career and built a band around her; The Kid only valued her as his personal arm candy."
"Was the concept for her band kinda cheesy and exploitative? Sure. But a) it's the 80s and b) the crowd seemed to dig it, so... maybe Morris knew what he was doing."
"Yes, he made a poor-taste joke about the Kid's father's suicide attempt, but keep in mind that the previous evening, The Kid had tried to run him down with his motorcycle. I might be a little mad too."
"And they even show Morris regretting the joke shortly after he said it."
"OK, he also got drunk and made a pass at Apollonia after her first show, but he didn't actually get physical and she was doing an OK job of turning him down... you know, right up until the aforementioned motorcycle attack."
"And then there's the fact that The Kid slapped Apollonia around on... what.. their second, third date? But we're just gonna gloss over that because he wrote a really good song to apologize?"
- pfellah
Give Loki A Throne
"In my opinion, Loki has a point."
"His biological dad Fárbauti had the throne to the giants (as far as I know) His adopted father Odin had a throne, and now his adopted brother Thor gets a throne."
"So I'm kinda a bit on Lokis side about getting a throne its only fair, and also because why not?"
- GodFromOuterSpace1
Muggles Were Dangerous
"Harry Potter. Not Voldemort, but Salazar Slytherin."
"Slytherin existed during a time when witchcraft was being punished with death by the Muggles, so naturally he wouldn't want anyone who could lead the Muggles to the very school they were trying to double as a safe haven."
- barryc100588
Poor Kevin
"The Bee Movie."
"It was a very weird movie overall but Kevin is just some poor dude with allergies that gets dumped for a f*cking bee."
- OuterSpace_KitKat_20
"The boyfriend from The Bee Movie. Everyone else in that movie just happened to be absolutely insane."
- Emmax1997
The Machines Are Right
"Always get sh*t for this when I say it, but the machines from The Matrix."
"Humans originally created them, and when the machines became sentient and tried to coexist in peace, humanity basically said, 'no, go f*ck yourself,' and did everything it could - even going so far as to destroy the planet (!) - to obliterate them."
- rinroz
Did you recognize any of your own traits in the ones described as villainous above? Do you relate to any of the villains in the movies you have seen in your life?
If so, you might be catching onto the idea that humanity is not as simple as we'd like to make it in Hollywood.
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It's highly believed that it is important to learn history as a means to improve our future.
What is often overlooked is that what is taught in history class is going to be very different depending on where you went to school.
And this isn't just internationally, even different regions of the United states will likely have very different lessons on American history.
This frequently results in our learning fascinating, heartbreaking and horrifying historical facts which our middle or high school history teachers neglected to teach us.
Redditor Acherontia_atropos91 was curious to learn things people either wished they had learned, or believe they should have learned, in their school history class, leading them to ask:
What isn’t taught in history class but should be?
The Irish Troubles
"The troubles."
"Too many people in America do not understand why a wall straight through Ireland would be a BAD idea."
"I’m referring to the Brexit referendum and possible outcomes."
"If people were wondering why we were talking about walls through Ireland in the first place."- CLCVS.
Forgotten elements of World War II
"What the Japanese did to the Chinese during WW2."
"Unit 731."- CaptainMcBoogerJew.
"Japan gets off easy for their war crimes in WW2."
"They killed an estimated 16mil Chinese civilians and another 8mil soldiers"
"Also, Pol Pot."
"Didn't know who he was until I was like 25."
"Worst dictator all time (in terms of percentage of population he decimated)".
The truth about the American Revolution
"That the American Revolution was part of a wider cold war type of conflict with France."
"The American Revolution was basically the UK's equivalent of the US version of Vietnam."- vinsant7.
The Dark side of Swedish history.
"As a Swede, I'd like to know more of all the horrible sh*t my country has done throughout history."
"It's a damn shame we're trying to hide our history."
"For example, Swedes killed a metric sh*t ton of all Polish people when we were at our strongest."
"That's the kinda sh*t we don't get to learn."- mogwandayy.
Colonization
"Basically what Belgium did to the Congo."
"A lot of people are telling me that they are taught about this actually."
"I'm glad to hear it because I wasn't taught about this in the USA during my public school days (1995-2008)."- EconArch.
The truth about "heroes".
"While teaching about historical Heroes they should also tell students about the unspeakable things some of them did."
"Many famous figures throughout history who are pillars of morality actually did many terrible things." - User Deleted
Intolerance for Mental Illness
"The dark history of mental illness treatments."
"I think it's worth learning about."- 7dayexcerpt.
Slavic Mythology
"Slavic mythology in Slavic countries."
"Don't get me wrong, I love both Greek & Roman mythology and as a person from the Balkans both of those cultures are part of my country's history and had great influence over not only my region but the entirety of the continent & the western world but I wouldn't mind knowing more about Slavic mythology as well."- ShorsShezzarine.
The truth about the CIA
"How the CIA was made and all the shady things they did over the years."- ALargeChip.
There is a lot about the history of our world, not to mention our own country which shouldn't be ignored.
And it's from learning from our mistakes that we really improve our future.
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So apparently we are in the endemic phase of this nonsense.
We have light at the end of the tunnel.
So what now?
Where do we go from here?
Normal seems like an outdated word.
How do we get back to normal though?
Is it even possible?
What are reaching back to?
Life pre-Covid.
Those were the days.
If only we could bring them back.
Redditor hetravelingsong wanted to discuss our new normal in this hopeful "endemic" phase. So they asked:
"What’s something random you miss about pre-COVID times?"
I miss people being sane. Though that maybe election cycle issues not COVID. We'll never know.
I thought I was Alone...
"Being able to grocery shop after 11 pm."
Reading_Rainboner
"Hell yes. I miss the days where the Walmart across the street was open 24 hours."
Small_Tax_9432
let's just go...
"I miss spontaneity... everything now seems to have a barrier of difficulty."
iidosee
"I live very close to Disneyland so I have an annual pass. My friends and I would just go there after work and hang out and grab a bite to eat."
"Now, we have to reserve a day to go. And most of the time, the days are at 'full' capacity so we couldn't even reserve. I don't want to schedule to hang out at Disneyland for a couple hours for July. So yeah, I definitely miss the 'lets go eat at Disneyland tonight?' texts."
mymymissmai
Not til 24-25
"Functioning global supply chains. Ah, the product you want has got microchips in it? 9 month wait."
richard-king
"Minimum, I'd been saying for a while now that I wouldn't expect a true return to normalcy in terms of electronics prices till 2024-2025. Although Crypto crashing through the floor really took some of the pressure off graphics cards which I really appreciate."
statiiic
WTF?!?!
"How affordable everything was!"
Disastrous_Hour_6776
"Yep. Today I was bagging up my things at the grocery store and I heard the cashier say to the lady behind me 'thats $78.12.' She had -- 2 boxes of Kellogg's corn flakes, a carton of 12 eggs, milk, strawberries, raspberries, blue berries, a small cheese cake, English muffins, coffee, and a small whole frozen chicken that could maybe feed 3 people if the meat portioning was small."
SnowyInuk
Sushi
"My favorite sushi place. It was good quality, close by, kid-friendly, and not too expensive."
InannasPocket
All of this... it was a simpler time.
NASTY
"As a retail worker, just how f**king NASTY some people have gotten."
DmitriPetrov*itch
"They applauded you for being an essential worker but won’t vote for policies that’ll raise minimum wage while insisting a wage cap for heavily paid employees."
sketchysketchist
CHANGES your DNA...
"Some of the people closest to me became very bitter and petty over the last 2 years. So many people have the 'crazy eyes' now."
__--__7
"So true and holidays with the family is like who has the biggest tinfoil hat building contest. How many jumps does your brain have to go through to think that the Covid vaccine CHANGES your DNA into the patented DNA so that the government now controls your body."
"So like vaccinated people now have a singular DNA set. I feel like I still have a chunk of my brain just broken off due to that comment alone. I was also told by same family member that I could never donate blood again due to the vaccine. I guess it is so my patented DNA doesn't affect people?? FYI my vaccinated butt just donated today fine and multiple other times after the vaccine."
tyreka13
Homeward Bound
"House prices."
adrianinked
"I'm resigned to never thinking I have a chance on owning property where I live. I'm 30 and just can't imagine it anymore. And I don't want to live anywhere else so, whatever."
Osdab2daf
"That didn’t happen because of the pandemic. That was already happening regardless."
CH11DW
Oh Mickey
"All Day Breakfast at McDonalds."
hutch2522
"It was honestly hell to do, and not very popular. ITs margins aren't anywhere dinner and lunch specials. ON top of that, the temperatures are such that They require its own grill, meaning that if you have 2 grills in shop, you are down 50% of lunch capacity."
Freyas_Follower
Way back when...
"Hanging out with friends. And I mean waaaaaay before Covid. Like 2006 back when I had some friends."
LoocsinatasYT
I miss the old days. Maybe we'll get back there.
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What do you believe?
Is there a GOD in the sky?
Is he guiding us and helping us?
Life is really hard. Why is that is a big entity is up there loving us?
Atheists have taken a lot of heat for what feels like shunning GOD.
What if they've been right all along?
Maybe let's take a listen and see what they really think.
Redditor __Jacob______ wanted to hear from the people who don't really believe all that "God" stuff. They asked:
"Atheists, what do you believe in?"
I'm waffling between G-O-D and nothing. So please give me some education.
911
"We need to look out for each other because help isn't coming."
cknipe
Peace Out
"More than 2 decades ago, a priest was giving a sermon in my church and he said 'our faith requires you to believe without question. Why call it faith if you have to ask questions?' I haven't returned to church. Not until my wedding day but you know what I mean."
asiangontear
Delusion
"When I was young I used to think that after death you would have access to a PC that you could see absolutely anything about your life. Stats, any question you had no matter how obscure, replays of moments, perspectives of others in relation to you. No matter what you wanted to know, if it was relatable to you, you could see it. I know it's silly, but as time goes on I just want it to be real, and I don't think I'd have any issue allowing myself to fall into that delusion."
eggwardpenisglands
I think nothing happens...
"Realistically, I think nothing happens. We literally experience nothing after death. Same thing that we experience before birth. We don't exist, so it's nothing. I think the tenant that we should follow while living is to try to be happy and healthy while minimizing the damage we do to each other."
"What I would LIKE to happen after death is whatever you believe in, exists. I think Christians should get to go to heaven if they truly believe in it, Hindus and Buddhists get reincarnated, and everyone else also gets to experience what they believe they will experience."
"'I would still experience Nothing. Maybe it's one of those things where at the moment of death their brain makes them experience what feels like an infinitely long moment in time where they experience their afterlife. I just think it would be neat for everybody."
Better_Meat_
Shrug
"Best advice I received from a dear senior on their way out. 'You win some, you lose some' shrug. Nothing divine, life is that simple and wonderful, accept it and move on."
Tune_Kindly
It all sounds pretty simple. Why are people so up in arms about Atheists?
Whatever
"I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do."
imCIK
Cool with Empty
"Nothing. [Serious]."
rumblingtummy29
"I feel this way about death. When I was 5, my grandfather died and my cousin simple said, he is dead, that means you are gone forever. Everything ends up dying, even plants and animals. I'm now in my 40's and still have this simplistic view of life and death. People think I'm ambivalent to life and death but it's just what it is."
thepigfish82
puppet-masters...
"I think a lot of religious people struggle with the fact that we are all just swirling units of chaos. There is no grand plan or great orchestrator. I think that’s why people who are prone to religion are also susceptible to things like Q anon and the Cabal and all that. They REALLY want to believe that there is some almighty puppet-master who determines all of humanity’s fate."
Lngtmelrker
“we’re living in a society!”
"Just be a kind and empathetic person not because you’re worried about some cosmic justice, but because it’s the right thing to do. If there is some being that created us there’s no way they actually care about believing in it or adhering to some rules from over 2000 years ago."
"Also a big thing for me is that I find the idea that you need religion or the Bible in order to have morals and ethics pretty dumb. It’s pretty f**king clear that most evangelicals have neither. But my main thing is being a good person simply because, as George Costanza once said we’re living in a society!' If you’re only a good person in order to make it to heaven you probably aren’t actually a good and moral person."
conservative_genius
That's All
"You're born. You live. You die. That's it. After you die you cease to exist, the same as before you were born."
serefina
Believe what you want. We're all here together. So let's focus there.
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The list of what irritates me is endless.
I mean... breathing too loud or dust can set me off.
I'm a bit unstable, yes.
But I'm not alone.
So let's discuss.
Redditor Aburntbagel6 wanted to hear about all the times many of us just couldn't control our disdain. They asked:
"What never fails to piss you off?"
I feel like this article can go on forever. Let's get some highlights.
Wasted Time
"Meetings that could and should have been an email."
Sirena609
Lotto People
"Getting stuck behind people playing the lottery at a corner store."
thenuggetlover
"I also used to work in a gas station and you’re SO right. I f**king hated the lottery people. Especially since my store had a small staff and there was usually only one of us working at a time, which meant that I couldn’t get any of my other work done as long as they were there."
"And you’re right, it’s also pretty sad to watch. I had one lady who used to come in every day and spent hundreds and HUNDREDS of dollars on scratch tickets. One day, she won $200 after spending probably around $600 and she was so excited and saying she can 'finally pay her bills.'"
i-am-your-god-now
Aware...
"No situational awareness. Job, home, shopping, driving. Think for one minute and go about. OBSERVE!!"
Dizzy-Foundation8122
"My mom is one of those people who leave the shopping cart in the middle of the damn aisle and proceed to walk twenty feet away. After correcting her a million times to no effect I just walk away now so people don’t know I’m with her."
OutrageousEvent
Shut Up!
"Endless barking in the middle of the night, I love animals but that sh*t I can't stand."
Acceptable-Lemon2924
"Endless barking in general drives me up a wall. One of my friends dogs was barking almost an entire gaming session the other day. I wanted to reach through the computer and smack him for letting it go on."
bangersnmash13
Kindness
"People being mean to service workers, especially if the workers are very young."'
scaryboilednoodles
All of these things. I hate them all.
Admit It
"People who never accept fault when they mess something up. Like, why blame a million people when it was clearly you who did it???"
Quirky-Area-8978
From Above
"My upstairs neighbors."
lutzow89
"I had terrible neighbors at my previous apartment. It was a one person studio for students, but her boyfriend was clearly living with her illegally and he was loud."
"One night we knocked n the door at 3 AM because of the loud music and an unknown girl opened the door. I just thought they were having a little party. But the next door I saw the girl living there come home with a suitcase after having been away for the weekend... Her BF was cheating on her in her own apartment."
Th3_Accountant
Move Away
"People who sit directly next to me at the airport, movie theater, any other place where you can choose a seat when there is PLENTY of other seating."
BacardiPardy33
"I can’t YES this enough and the ones who can’t park for crap so they park so close you can’t open doors on one side of the car or the ones who park directly behind when you pulled through so the door won’t open to load groceries."
BacardiPardy33
It's Over
"People who try to restart old drama. Like I'm done with you, just leave me alone."
Tired_Potatos
"Yep, half the reason I've basically quit playing one of my favorite online video games. People keep bringing old crap up or sh*tting on on someone who used to be our friend. I got tired of it so I just ejected the game out of me."
CaucasianHumus
AHHHHH!!!
"People walking too slow in front of me with no way to get around them. It’s even worse if it’s a couple or group taking up the whole sidewalk. HAVE SOME SPATIAL AWARENESS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!"
_-v0x-_
Life in general pisses me off. I'm easy.
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