Generation gaps can create some glaring differences especially when dealing with the equality of all humans. The old ways of treating people of color are no longer accepted by the majority of people, however some people in older generations still do not make it a priority to make all people feel welcome and valued.
This situation could not be more real for Redditor u/statuethrow who says My [28M] relationship with Mom [60F] and Step-Dad [~60M] is straining because of a controversial lawn ornament.
Here's how it played out:
My mom and stepdad last year moved into a new house that came with a lawn ornament depicting a cartoonishly caricatured black boy dressed in a jockey uniform. I did some research, and it turns out that it was a Jocko style Lawn Jockey. Apparently these were popular back in the day with people that wanted to evoke that old Southern style of welcome that includes casual racial prejudice. The more I learned about these things, the more uncomfortable it made me. It can't just sit there in the yard. They would have to store it, paint it, get rid of it...something. Anything less I feel would be an endorsement of what this statue represents. We are all white, and I don't want to get into a situation where I bring friends over, they see it and get the wrong impression about my folks. I told my mom my feelings about it, and she indicated that her and my stepdad were aware and were talking about what to do about it.
The next time I visited them, they moved it off to the side yard, and this time it was in the same spot and they had put a garbage bag over it. I mean, it's good that they covered it, but I don't understand why they still have it, and it's been a year. I don't think either one of them are racist or anything, I just see the history of this object and it's relationship to racism and it disgusts me. Neither one of them seem to share my disgust, which is frustrating. My gut tells me that I'm in the right, but at the same time this is driving a wedge between me and my step-dad, and my mom feels caught in the middle between us.
Mom and I just had a tearful conversation about this. She's worried that I'm judging them negatively for this, which definitely isn't the case for her. (My feelings about him are up in the air right now.) She seems to agree that this thing is more trouble than it's worth. I offered to take the statue and dispose of it, but she said no and that it was up to my step dad. He seems to have taken an opposing stance on this and doesn't see much reason to get rid of it. Apparently he did his own online research and concluded that it wasn't a racist object, and that I'm wrong and I need to let this go. He says the statue has historical value and he shouldn't be made to feel like a racist for displaying it. I'm aware of the content he's basing his claims on, and will try to show him how they lack a basis in fact. Mom has told me though that he did agree to get rid of it, but I don't know how much I believe him.
I'm now at the point where I don't know if I'm making too much of a big deal about this. My folks and I are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, but that hasn't really been an issue until now. My next step I just want to be able to visit my folks and not have to worry about this s***. Am I right for pushing them towards action on this, or am I making a mountain out of a molehill?
tldr: parents inherited a statue of a caricatured black youth. I detest it and want it gone, stepdad thinks it's fine. How to proceed?
Update: Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Just to clear up a few things, I don't think I could persuade them by saying that the neighbors are judging them, they live in a very red area, there was a guy who wore a MAGA hat on the beach with his family the other day and no one seemed to care.
Also, I should have been more specific regarding what I meant regarding the tearful conversation with my mom. I had meant that we both were crying. There wasn't manipulation there. She was genuinely worried that I was thinking about cutting her out of my life, and I was upset about this whole thing. I'm generally averse to conflict and it takes a lot for me to make a stand about something, especially when it leads to this kind of friction.
I feel empowered by your words, and I know that I can't just let this go. I'll be as respectful as I can, but my feelings about the statue haven't changed and I'm not going to really feel comfortable there until they do something about it.
What are your thoughts?
Play dirty in the name of justice and equalityGiphy
I wrote out a lot of analysis, but then decided it was pretentious and deleted it.
- It's not your property, so ultimately, legally, you can't do anything.
- You've made your case. They doubled down. Logic wouldn't appear to work.
My advice to you would be that for every gift-giving occasion, be it birthdays, anniversaries, Christmas, Labor Day, whatever... I would send them a card, and include the receipt for the donation you made in their name to the NAACP, the United Negro College Fund, or the local black historical/heritage society... you know, since history is so important to him.
You're not going to wear them down, so go with the semi-regular notification that he's being an ahole, and maybe the thank you letters from the assorted charities will eventually make him feel like enough of a doofus to take an appropriate action on his own.
You can't teach an old dog not to be an a**Giphy
Yeah, he's a big ole racist. No way he actually googled "lawn jockey"and came away with the idea that its not racist.
Create some distanceGiphy
OP, I'm with you on this one. The statue is horribly racist, and cringe-worthy. I'd go as far as to not visit your mom & step-dad at their home, and only see them away from the house.
It's a two way streetGiphy
Lol @ the pearl clutching over your mom crying about feeling "judged" for participating in racist s***. Honestly, f*** manipulative tears. You get to decide what's more important to you: your relationship with your mother or your principles regarding race. I know what choice I would make. And remember that torching a relationship goes both ways. So your parents also have a choice: their f******* son or their beloved racist lawn ornament.
Ask the right questionsGiphy
Ask them how the statue makes their lives better. Seriously.
Ask them why they feel the need to keep it, even though it causes friction between you guys. To prove how not-racist they are?
It's not like they're rare. There's no historical significance to speak off. They're ugly as shit. Seriously, there's no reason to keep it, except to "stick it to them libruls".
The extreme route...Giphy
It's racist. Them keeping the statue is racist. The lovely thing about racism is it's a great place to take a stance. I would cut back contact with your family significantly and steal and destroy that awful statue.
Stay away from those peopleGiphy
It is IMPOSSIBLE to google "lawn jockey", and not immeidately understand that this is racist. He knows it's racist, but he doesn't care. Your solution is not to take friends around there. You have spoken your peace. Do not argue, justify, or explain your position, because that is as preposterous as trying to explain why you don't walk down the street and randomly punch strangers in the head. It doesn't even bear trying to have a rational discussion about it.
Simply state your position. "Hey mom, I find that statue to be racist. I feel like if you google lawn jockey, and do your own unbiased reading, it is impossible to come away with any other conclusion. Therefore, I will not be visiting your home while you choose to have such casual disregard for a racist statue." That's it. And yeah, I'm sorry to tell you but it sounds like your parents are racist if they feel that displaying that lawn jockey is that important to them.
Let them lay in the beds they madeGiphy
You know what OP, your parents were being ignorant-and there is NOTHING wrong about being ignorant to a subject, we don't know everyone's deal, HOWEVER, you took the time to research this object and educated them, this crosses the line into WILLFUL ignorance, and quite frankly, point blank racism.
I would not visit them until its removed, they know what theyre doing-its not like it pays them rent or adds deep value to their lives, and someone WILL call them out on it, don't be around when it happens.
Stand up to the root of the problemGiphy
It sounds like your mum is just fretting because she's trying to please you both but she's not really thinking about this or taking responsibility for herself. My mum did this with her ex and me, she'd get all tearful and do that mum thing of 'I just try to please everyone' etc. Could you sit down and ask your mum what she really thinks hand on heart. It concerns me that the stepdad sounds like a jerk and your mum isn't standing up to him, either that or your mum is racist too. It could help you to figure out which one it is.
Judge the f*** out of them until they learn their lessonGiphy
How to deal with casual racists: "Don't make me feel bad, it feels like I'm being judged!" "It should. Because I'm judging you."
Talk about the moneyGiphy
Lol have u read Stephen kings duma key be glad it isn't chasing u they should sell it it actually does have value but gives the wrong impression for sure I'd push ur step dad that way he'd probably be more likely to get rid of it if there was money in it
Get rid of it yourselfGiphy
Am I the only one who would throw caution out the window and smash the s*** out of that stupid, racist piece of garbage?? (The lawn ornament, but maybe the stepparent, too. Up to interpretation. )
Hoarding may be the issue hereGiphy
Does your stepdad have hoarding tendencies?? Like, is he scared to get rid of it because he thinks it is worth something?? Look it up on eBay, and see if ANY of them have sold, and what they sold for. Offer to sell it for him??? If it's what I think it is, it's cringe inducing, and I wouldn't want to be associated with the house that displays it.
A different point of viewGiphy
Well, it's not your house, so while you don't like it, it's really none of your business. You are forcing an issue between your mother and your step-father about something at THEIR house.
That said, I think you are also wrong about what you think of the statue, based on a few minutes of my own research:
"The jockey, in a similarly secret way, pointed to safe houses along the Underground Railroad.
"These statues were used as markers on the Underground Railroad throughout the South into Canada," says historian/author Charles Blockson, curator of the Afro-American Collection at Temple University in Philadelphia. "Green ribbons were tied to the arms of the statue to indicate safety; red ribbons meant to keep going.
"People who don't know the history of the jockey have feelings of humiliation and anger when they see the statue," he adds. "But this figure, which was sometimes used in a clandestine nature, and sometimes without the knowledge of the person who owned the statue, was a positive and supportive image to African-Americans on the road to freedom.""
From a 1998 article in the Chicago Tribune.
I'm not researching it any more to have any more of an opinion. Not your house.
The important questionGiphy
You are right for feeling as you do about the lawn ornaments. But I would ask, is it worth straining your relationship with your mother over? I get the impression that your step-dad is taking an opposing stance not because he actually likes or cares about the statue but because you have taking such a vocal position, it's almost like he's doing it for spite. Also, he might feel that you are accusing him of being racists and he's being defensive and doubling down. I bet if you never mentioned the statue to him again it would eventually disappear. Also you mentioned that your Mom said he agreed to get rid of, give him the chance to do the right thing.
When we think about learning history, our first thought is usually sitting in our high school history class (or AP World History class if you're a nerd like me) being bored out of our minds. Unless again, you're a huge freaking nerd like me. But I think we all have the memory of the moment where we realized learning about history was kinda cool. And they usually start from one weird fact.
Here are a few examples of turning points in learning about history, straight from the keyboards of the people at AskReddit.
Trees are honestly really effing cool.<p>For 60 million years trees didn't decay.</p><p>When they died the just fell over and laid there.</p><p>For 60 million years trees existed before the enzyme that broke them down when they died.</p><p>So tons of massive trees in the oxygen rich environment just laid on the ground. Until they burned. That's how we have coal.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Tkieron/" target="_blank">Tkieron</a><br></p>
Did they believe her though?<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTcxNDM1NS9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY2MjQ0MzUxNn0.MoiI9zjkaZJTqlM4TOva8YqV1YCBanmdpTnDKpIJBYk/img.gif?width=980" id="974ed" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="d6424414e43e3cadc252310f5bf52aa8" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="499" data-height="361" />disney bambi GIFGiphy<p>In 1726 there was a woman called Mary Toft who tricked doctors into believing that she gave birth to rabbits.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/solarflannels/" target="_blank">Solarflannels</a><br></p><p>There was another woman who would take the eggs from her chicken, etch "jesus has come" into them and shove them back into the chicken who would then lay it again and people actually thought the chicken was a prophet.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/stitchmidda2/" target="_blank">Stitchmidda2</a><br></p>
A whole river.<p>Some time in around the beginning of the 1500's Leonardo da Vinci and Niccolo Machiavelli conspired to try to steal the Arno river.</p><p>They both lived in the city of Florence and at the time there was hostilities with the city of Pisa which was nearer to the mouth of the Arno river and controlled trade on it. Da Vinci came up with the plan to create a canal to divert the river so it no longer flowed to Pisa which would allow Florence to dominate the whole region. Da Vinci drew up the plans and Machiavelli put them into action. However Da Vinci didn't oversee the project and instead the engineer who did decided to do it his own way which would take longer and need more people. In the middle of the project war broke out and the project had to be scrapped due to attacks from Pisa so it never came to be. Still a great historical footnote though.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Dakens2021/" target="_blank">Dakens2021</a><br></p>
Beast mode.<p>Roosevelt was shot in the chest during a speech and just continued on like nothing happened.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/alpaca1yps/" target="_blank">Alpaca1yps</a><br></p><p>He was shot just before his speech and he knew it hadn't pierced his lung since he wasn't coughing up blood, so he bandaged it and went to give his speech.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Bob-Chaos/" target="_blank">Bob-Chaos</a><br></p>
In another timeline, things might have been different.<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTcxNDM3OC9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY2NDUzNjQwOX0.Xp6C-SNFh1c8LKt9uLBBcaLpydUIdlIEcdw8mozBGrI/img.gif?width=980" id="69c8a" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="0e7917ad8418cbcb9efda3fcda23606b" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="250" data-height="200" />John F Kennedy Democrat GIFGiphy<p>It is very possible - and some consider likely - that JFK could've survived the assassination had he not been wearing a thick, girdle-like back brace that kept him stiffly upright when in public.</p><p>Kennedy had terrible back problems since serving in WWII that were continually worsening. The back brace began as early as JFK met Stalin for the first time and wanted to appear tall and strong since it was at the height of the Cold War, however his pain was so bad he often walked around the WH hunched over and looked decrepit.</p><p>JFK continued to wear the brace to keep himself upright and portray the strong youthful image he crafted. When the first shot was fired, the brace made it nearly impossible to move, much less crouch down in the back seat to get out of the line of fire.</p><p>He was then struck with the infamous shot to the back/throat which rendered him more immobile and finally the headshot that killed him. Parkland doctors testified to the Warren Commission how surprised they were at the size and tightness of the brace and how long it took to get off. One remarked it likely made him a "sitting duck" because of how immobile it would've rendered him.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/StaySafePovertyGhost/" target="_blank">StaySafePovertyGhost</a></p>
Good to know before she was beheaded.<p>When King Henry VIII was still married to Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard(his future fifth wife) was one of Cleves' ladies in waiting. They were close, even after Cleves' divorce. With all the tragedy and abuse from the men in her life, I'm just glad that she at least had one friend to trust.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/SoapySapling/" target="_blank">SoapySapling</a><br></p>
The student teaches the teacher.<p>Benjamin Franklin had a pet squirrel. As a little girl, I dressed as him, with a squirrel beanie-baby on my shoulder. My teacher had to look it up on the internet to check if I was right. She was amused.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/MasterAqua2/" target="_blank">MasterAqua2</a><br></p>
Sounds on-brand for Jackson.<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTcxNDM4NC9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY1Mzk5MDg5M30.CLC30YDaNbAjTsJvxbf2J7bRTzCFZwQL-uVEncS1bbw/img.gif?width=980" id="793ac" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="992b71a8780072be5ecc28bd0389b9be" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="480" data-height="270" />happy dr pol GIF by Nat Geo Wild Giphy<p>When Andrew Jackson died they had to remove his pet parrot from the funeral because it couldn't stop swearing.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/belligerentbanana69/" target="_blank">Belligerentbanana69</a><br></p><p>He also had a comically large cheese wheel.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Klaudiapotter/" target="_blank">Klaudiapotter</a><br></p>
I guess we’ll never know.<p>Abraham Lincoln once gave a speech which was so good that all of reporters forgot to take notes, still to this day we don't know what exactly he said.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/SmilE_HACK/">SmilE_HACK</a><br></p>
Well-portrayed in the Hamilton musical.<p>That George Washington was known as this Really Talented Dancer, and was very in tune with the dances at the time of his being... Idk why I just never woulda thought this at all but it's dope to hear that dancing/socializing was always a thing!</p><p>Like from the passage I read it seemed like Whenever George was in attendance at the function, everyone knew he was gonna cut a rug and tear the house down.. and the ladies considered themselves lucky to be his dance partner.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/BobbyCodone303/" target="_blank">BobbyCodone303</a><br></p>
Tradespeople have some of the toughest jobs that often involve physical exertion.
Hard No<p>Adverse working conditions and difficult people can determine if a job is worth sticking around for. </p>
Flying Roaches<p>"I am an automotive tech, the only jobs I utterly refuse to work on are cars that are filled with trash and filth. I have literally had roaches fly out of the ac vents when the ac came on. Y'all would be disgusted at the way some people keep their cars."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lvr4im/electricians_plumbers_and_tradespeople_of_reddit/gpdota5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Environmental-Wrap-5</a><br></p>
Wild Accusation<p>"I used to work on a crew that built additions on houses. One lady got upset that we were cutting a hole thru her wall for the door. She called her husband who came home from work, he told our boss that she was accusing us of trying to break in and assault her. My boss had us pack up and leave and we never went back."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.comhttps://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lvr4im/electricians_plumbers_and_tradespeople_of_reddit/gpdyvj4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3/user/Sigg4444/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sigg4444</a><br></p>
Too Much Wood<p>"Work in a lumber mill, a loader operator knocked 4 bundles of 2" thick by 6" wide by 16' long into the river, so over 1200 pieces and a boss told me to get it out of the river... during a thunderstorm."</p><p>"F'k all that noise sir."</p><p>"Edit: the wood wasn't 2 feet by 6 feet by 16 inches, that would be weird just fixed it lol not American my bad."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lvr4im/electricians_plumbers_and_tradespeople_of_reddit/gpdawrt?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Suka_Blyad_</a><br></p>
Unsanitary Wasteland<p>"Mechanic here.""</p><p>When I used to work on cars, I had to pull the front seats out of a horrendously dirty smelly car to remove the center console."</p><p>"Proceeded to removed the front seat, and found the whole area under the seat was stuffed full with Dirty used tampons and pads."</p><p>"I nearly threw up and I yeeted the f'k outta there. We had to call up and get biohazard guys in because she wouldn't come and clean out the car."</p><p>"'Karen' then proceeded to have a screaming match with my foreman about the bill....."</p><p>"I've seen alot of sh*t but hands down this was the worst."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lvr4im/electricians_plumbers_and_tradespeople_of_reddit/gpe6mc8?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wheresma10mmsocket</a><br></p>
When Life Matters More<p>These people prioritized their lives over their jobs. Because they should be alive to cash their paychecks. </p>
Wobbly House<p>"Got hired to do a vapor barrier job in a crawl space. Old 1920's home. I suited up and got in about 15 ft and saw that the center load bearing beam had rotted out near the footer. Somebody took a cinder block and a 8 ton harbor freight bottle jack to shore it back up. Whole thing wobbled as folks moved around in the house. Got the f'k up out of there."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lvr4im/electricians_plumbers_and_tradespeople_of_reddit/gpdrl83?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">dreamweaver121</a><br></p>
Project Of Peril<p>"I was called out for a termite inspection. Homeowners said they had been told for years they had a problem but it took one of their bedrooms floors collapsing to finally do something about it."</p><p>"I hauled a** out of the crawl space when I found the only thing that was keeping the floor from fully collapsing was a single electrical wire that at any moment it could snap and collapse the floor on me."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lvr4im/electricians_plumbers_and_tradespeople_of_reddit/gpdzf2o?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">dahopppa</a><br></p>
Unexpected Shower<p>"I was working in a newly restarted 130 year old paper mill, they hadn't worked out the kinks in the pulp mill yet. The short version is my toolie and I got coated in black liquor that flowed from an uncapped pipe 70 feet in the air. It was outside, in December, so luckily it wasn't boiling lava hot when it hit us but we still had to make a trip to urgent care. And we lost our work truck because it was white and after the spill was black. We came back the next week, but refused to work on that end of the digester."</p><p>"Edit: I'm an electrician."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Turquoise_Tentacle/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Turquoise_Tentacle</a><br></p>
The Unexpected<p>These tradespeople found that unforeseen circumstances can be enough of a reason to peace out.</p>
Saying 'No'<p>"Landscaper here. Honestly it's about 50% of the meetings I go to. Learning how to say no is essential in this business. You can go out of business doing not good jobs quicker than you can not working."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lvr4im/electricians_plumbers_and_tradespeople_of_reddit/gpdbhrs?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">bvswcaveman</a><br></p>
The Panicked Landscaper<p>"I hired a landscaper once, small-time guy doing it as a sideline. We talked about all kinds of plans, seeding grass, cleaning up overgrown parts of the yard, and taking out two giant, ancient bushes that were crowding the house."</p><p>"He shows up to take out the bushes, and a few hours later calls be, all freaked out that the bushes have roots that go down to hell and it was taking a lot longer than estimated to get them out. I made it clear to him that I had half expected that, and that I had no problem paying for however long the job actually took. He was absolutely in a panic, though. He got the bushes done, then noped the hell out on the rest of it and never got back to me."</p><p>"Somehow, I couldn't make him understand that I was way more pissed that he bailed on the rest of the work than the fact that he underestimated the job initially."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lvr4im/electricians_plumbers_and_tradespeople_of_reddit/gpe000r?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">DMala</a><br></p>
The Clog<p>"A bit late to this but.... I'm a plumber, went to unblock an old ladies toilet, she'd tried to flush her dead cat, it was stuck, and very wet, and soggy...."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lvr4im/electricians_plumbers_and_tradespeople_of_reddit/gpe8rj9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">tootsmalloy</a><br></p>
Result Of Depression<p>"I noped out of a job back when I was a sparky. We had ~100 men onsite at a uranium enrichment facility; pay was good, but the conditions weren't. It was way out in the middle of nowhere New Mexico, with nothing to do beyond go to work then go back to the camp and drink. I got depressed after spending 6 weeks onsite, as did a lot of others. The straw that broke the camels back for me was when we found one of the apprentices dead in his trailer. His girlfriend broke up with him because he was never home anymore, he turned to the bottle.</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lvr4im/electricians_plumbers_and_tradespeople_of_reddit/gpdyohx?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">dad_sparky_engineer</a><br></p>
The legal system isn't always fair, let alone just. Consider how many people out there commit serious crimes and get off with a slap on the wrist. Remember Brock Turner, the Stanford rapist? He was sentenced to six months in jail followed by three years of probation for raping college student Chanel Miller (and was later released after serving only three months). I haven't even gotten into how cruel the "justice system" is to survivors of sexual assault, which complicates matters further.
After Redditor maekeyisn't cool asked the online community, "What crimes do you think should have a more serious punishment?" people shared their opinions.
"Compare that to a guy..."<p>White-collar crimes that result in many people losing their life savings. Compare that to a guy robbing a single house, who will probably get a harsher sentence.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ltksoi/what_crimes_do_you_think_should_have_a_more/gozd0ro?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3"></a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ltksoi/what_crimes_do_you_think_should_have_a_more/gozd0ro?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">ChronoLegion1</a></p>
This is a big one.<p>Seeing the rich and powerful get away with slaps on the wrist for full-blown Ponzi schemes is demoralizing.</p><p>Bernie Madoff committed the largest financial fraud in American history, receiving a 150-year prison sentence. He's the exception to the rule. Then again, his crimes affected a lot of his fellow wealthy people...</p>
"So much garbage everywhere."<p>Littering. So much garbage everywhere.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ltksoi/what_crimes_do_you_think_should_have_a_more/gp0isx8?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">zaphodbeebzy</a></p>
"Yet it gets dismissed..."<p>Perjury.</p><p>It happens alot more than people realize. Yet it gets dismissed so much that almost no one can really do anything about it. The courts are so clogged up as it is, it would have to be extremely severe for anyone in power to take notice.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ltksoi/what_crimes_do_you_think_should_have_a_more/gozga63?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">TraditionalLiving44</a></p>
"All crimes against those..."<p>All crimes against those who are likely to be taken advantage of/can't defend themselves properly: children, the elderly, and animals. Especially Sex crimes and abuse and to lie about it, as it hurts alleged offenders and real victims. Crimes based on discrimination of gender, religion, and race.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ltksoi/what_crimes_do_you_think_should_have_a_more/gozfgm0?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">tweedtone</a></p>
"Honestly..."<p>Animal cruelty. And attempted kidnapping. Honestly how many kidnapped children do you hear of coming home alive or ever being found again? Not friggen many.... so anyone attempting to kidnap a child should be felt with more severely, they aren't intending to take these kids to a nice place.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ltksoi/what_crimes_do_you_think_should_have_a_more/gp0bhsc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Looneytooney1505</a></p>
In 2019...former President Donald Trump signed legislation making animal cruelty a federal crime.
"Humanity as a whole..."<p>The punishment seems to never match the crime, a drug dealer will get 40 years yet a sex offender will get 3-5.</p><p>This is completely backward in my opinion and should be reversed.</p><p>I also do not personally believe in incarceration for most crimes, I believe if you get more than ten years you should just be killed, as life in prison is a fate worse than death.</p><p><span>Humanity as a whole should be focused on fixing this instead of taking the easy way out by handing out life sentences.</span></p><p><span></span><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ltksoi/what_crimes_do_you_think_should_have_a_more/goyur1n?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Chestmynutz</a></p>
"If you are a cop..."<p>Tampering with evidence. If you are a cop, lawyer, or judge,and you fudge stuff for a conviction, and it's found out?</p><p>Bam - all you in prison for the length of sentence you handed out.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ltksoi/what_crimes_do_you_think_should_have_a_more/gp1fo4f?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Squigglepig52</a></p>
"This crime is not only extremely dangerous..."<p>Kidnapping.</p><p>This crime is not only extremely dangerous at the time of its commission, but carries huge delayed consequences. Changes in the child's psyche and, as a result, possible future crimes.</p><p><span></span><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ltksoi/what_crimes_do_you_think_should_have_a_more/gp039jo?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">moseich</a></p>
How do we fix this?<p>It's distressing to think about all the cracks in the system, particularly when the discussion focuses on the harshest crimes. That we live in a world where child abusers and rapists often walk away with a slap on the wrist is unconsionable.</p><p>Have some thoughts of your own? Feel free to share them in the comments below.</p>
Just to put this out there: Making movies is hard.