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Honest Men Reveal The Creepiest Girls They've Ever Met

Honest Men Reveal The Creepiest Girls They've Ever Met

Honest Men Reveal The Creepiest Girls They've Ever Met

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People do crazy things when they think they're in love. Some take it way too far, even to the point of faking pregnancies or hurting themselves.

woodyever asked, Males of reddit.... whats your "creepy girl" story?

Submissions have been edited for clarity, context, and profanity.

High school sure has changed...

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Valentine's Day of my junior year of high school, two girls asked me out. One was super cute and timid, and I liked her a lot. The other had a boyfriend. After turning the second girl down, she went to her boyfriend and told him to beat me up because I was at fault for making her want to cheat on him. Her boyfriend apologized to me and broke up with her in the same sentence. We both received death threats from that girl for multiple weeks after that.

This is def creepy, and it takes such intense dedication...

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Girl stole my jacket and made a shrine to me with manga style drawings of her and I making out.

The unbreakable Neopet vow.

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Teenage me talking to a girl a year below, we used to play Neopets together and one day she sent me a rose with her blood on it.

Why you so obsessed with me?

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I met a girl online once and we went out a few times. I wasn't feeling it and told her as much. I was previously in the US Army for 6 years. Nothing special, was a fueler. She got it into her head that the military was forcing me to not date her, and that I had a much more clandestine job than in reality. It wasn't and I didn't. I had ETSed 3 years previous and my only contact was the VA office at the university I was attending. She would constantly text me and message with nonsensical conspiracy theories about why I couldn't see her. I blocked her and moved on.

She hired a private investigator to tail me. When I caught wind of him after a couple days I walked over to where he was sitting and introduced myself. He was flustered, but eventually, we laid it all out and I told him that he is wasting his time watching me go to class, the dining hall, and my house every day for the next few years. I never saw him again and never heard from her again. Either she hired a more stealthy PI or the dude talked some sense into her. Either way, it didn't progress beyond that. I was ready to get a TRO or something, but it never had to happen. Two months later I met my wife. 6 years married.

She must really really hate being single.

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My first gf had a rough home life and when I tried to break up with her she said she would kill herself so I backpedaled. This happened multiple times until one of her friends confided in me that she bragged about it to her because she hates being single and was trying to date other people" until he was replaced before breaking up with him.

Threatening suicide over a breakup is domestic abuse.

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I dated this girl one summer during high school. She seemed nice enough and we kind of hit it off at a church function. Until my summer schedule started. I went from working evenings at a local fast-food joint to working overnights and I guess she couldn't cope. She would call my house and accuse my mom of lying for me, and demand she tell her where I really was. She'd drive by all night, and would even wait for me to get home at 6 or 7 (still in my work uniform) and accuse me of cheating.

Eventually, she'd start calling me every hour or so at work, which as you can imagine my managers just loved. She did not take the breakup well. She threatened to kill me, and she threatened to kill my dog. When I started dating a co-worker towards the end of the summer she threatened her too.

When she creates her own reality...

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Lied about being married and wore a ring on her ring finger as 'proof' of being married as a means of showing interest and trying to provoke me to cuckold a man that doesn't exist.

She also sent a text to someone else right in front of me where I could easily see and clearly about me. It was about how 'he can't court a woman' in another attempt to provoke me to somehow be interested in her. Never mind the fact that she already made herself out to be a bullsh_tter and someone to avoid.

Dedication? Or obsession? Either way, creepy.

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Blocked her number because she would text me every day when I refused to reply anymore after telling her I didn't want to talk. 2 years later I unblocked it out of curiosity and SHE IS STILL TEXTING ME DAILY. I sure hope I never run into her in person again

Edit: Just woke up to see this blew up. Guess it's time to unblock her number to see if she sends a text today

Edit 2: THERE IT IS BOYS. ANOTHER TEXT.

This is why I don't date.

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Went out once after being matched online. Didn't work out. She kept calling during dates with other guys and asking them to tell me I was an idiot to pass her up.

After no calls for a few months, she called crying and asking me to tell her current BF that we didn't have sex. She put him on the phone and he asked me directly. Of course, the answer was "No, we didn't" but he responded with "Then why she always hitting you up?"

I just hung up. She called 37 more times, but I didn't answer.

EDIT: I'm not even a catch. I didn't get another date for like a year after.

Def creepy and def the right decision to nope out.

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So, here is a creepy picked up by a girl story.

I was in a bar, having a beer and this girl starts talking to me. She seems OK, but the bar is dark. Hard to tell. She asks me if I want to go out to her truck and smoke. I say "yes."

When we wander out of the bar, the bright lights outside illuminate her face in a disturbing way. I ignore what I am seeing. She says, "so where is your car?"

I say, "I thought we were going to your truck?" She says, "No, we are going to your car."

OK. I can deal with this.

We get to my car, and she says "Where is the joint?" I say, "I thought you had a joint." She says, "No. Take me home."

OK. I can deal with this.

So, I start driving her home. As I am driving, she starts rambling, "you can screw me. you can do anything you want to me."

OK. Maybe I can deal with this.

As we approach her apartment she says "I sure hope my boyfriend isn't home."

Can I deal with this?

She points to a convenience store and says "Pull in there. And go buy me a 12 pack of beer." I say, "I'm not buying you a 12 pack." So, she gets out of the car to buy beer.

I definitely cannot deal with this, slam the car into reverse, and race off into the night.

I didn't go back to that bar for a year.

Creepy girl.

You gotta have SOME tact when asking for a threesome...

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She broke into my dorm room without me knowing and stood over me while I slept when I woke up she invited me to a threesome.

Saving a used condom? Yeah, that's crazy.

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TIL the woman that saved our condom from our first time together is not actually the craziest woman on the planet. Thanks, guys, and always remember to bring your own rubber.

Don't bring up marriage on a first date, it's crazy.

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Oh, my first blind date, set up by friends. I was 22 (I can't remember if I had just graduated or was about to - so either late 21 or just turned 22).

I pick her up because she doesn't drive. Find out she's a sophomore in college, my alma mater, cool - I was surprised I'd never seen her before because it wasn't a large uni and she was cute a hell.

Fast forward maybe two or three hours, we just wrapped up dinner and a stroll in a park downtown, everything went well and we're walking to a comedy club. She is saying things really weird now, like how happy she is that she met someone like me, about the places she wants to honeymoon at, how many kids we'd have and how beautiful they'd be if we were married.

Now, she was a looker, and really fun to hang out with, but who talks about these kinds of things after knowing a person for several hours? Red flags.

Cut later into the evening and we're walking to the house I shared with a few roommates - our place was maybe a block from the comedy club (college neighborhood). She stops me and we make out for a bit. She is for real acting and talking like we have been long time lovers now. I make the decision to suggest I take her home, it's getting late, but she insists on coming home with me. I pocket dial my friend. "Oh, I'm getting a call". I play it like he needs me for something.

Now it turned for the worse in a big way. She get's angry, accusing me of being gay and how she should never have come on this date, etc. So she storms off. Whew.

15 minutes later I am in my house laughing and chatting with my roommates about my date and the back door opens. Guess who walks in. "I knew it!" she screams. Queue me trying to calm down this crazy girl while my friends are laughing and taking pictures.

Eventually her friend comes and gets her. Alisha, if you're out there, I hope you found love.

Imagine what it would have been like after a year...

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I had a month long relationship with someone who was a "tad" unstable. Every other day during the relationship, she would be incredibly sad. Girl had some intense mood swings. She would be lovey dovey one day and the next loud and argumentative. I probably let it last too long, looking back on it now.

Anyways, I broke it off and the next day she showed up at my job and said to my boss she was my wife and that something happened with "our daughter." Well when she walked up to me, she pulled out a knife and tried to stab me. Luckily we have decent security at my job and someone tackled her and restrained her until police showed. She ended up getting charged and now has some jail time.

The security guy and I are good friends now, we play cards on the weekends lol.

Crazy is when a simple crush turns into a spiritual obsession.

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A girl that was younger than me would take photos of me on stage and photoshop me next to her and would set it as her profile pic. She also took a ton of the photos off my FB and posted them on her wall with poems about me. One day after a set she came up to me and asked for a photo and used that as our "couples" photo for her social media and basically said we were in a relationship. Had to have a serious convo with her about all of it and request it all be taken off.

Faking a double pregnancy? CRAZY.

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At a friend's funeral, his sister started coming onto me. I ended up with her shortly after and slept with her twice.

Then one day she sends me a pic of a positive pregnancy test. I freak out inside but take it all in over the next few days.

Then she tells me she's extremely sick and in the hospital apparently puking. She proceeds to tell me she had a miscarriage. THEN she throws a twist..there were actually twins and only one got aborted.

And it's been a couple of years, she never had a baby. She just constantly sought reactions and sympathy.

Old Wives' Tales People Still Believe For Some Reason

"Reddit user the_spring_goddess asked: 'What is an old wives tale that people still believe?'"

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The old wives' tales.

They are the stories of legend.

I think we all need a big DEEP Google dive though.

Where did they originate?

WHO ARE THE OLD WIVES!

You don't hear about them as much anymore.

It's like science and logic are suddenly a thing.

But they sure are a good way to keep your kids and their behavior in line.

Redditor the_spring_goddess wanted to discuss the tall tales we've all been fed through life, so they asked:

"What is an old wives tale that people still believe?"

"Wait an hour to swim after eating."

What a crock!

So many summer hours wasted.

I want revenge for that one.

Say Nothing

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"An undercover cop has to tell you he's a cop if you ask him."

LonelyMail5115

"Pretty much most advice when it comes to cops are old wives tales. I’m not even a cop but most of the advice you hear is pretty off."

I_AM_AN_A**HOLE_AMA

Say Something

"That you have to wait 24 hours to report someone missing."

Severe_Airport1426

"I really think this one is important and should be the top regardless. As it’s a piece of advice that needs to be relearned and the only way to do that is through awareness."

crappycurtains

"This used to be true. I think they changed it after some guy named Brandon went missing back in the '80s or '70s. You used to have to wait 24 hours if the missing person was an adult because they had 'a right to be missing' and then everyone realized that was stupid and stopped doing it."

AlbinoShavedGorilla

Body Temps

"That drinking ice cold water after eating oily foods will solidify the oil and permanently remain in your body. I informed my coworker that if your body temperature ever reached that point, you’d have bigger problems than weight gain."

chriseo22

"Oh, I have a cousin who 100% believed this. One of those guys who believed every early 2000s internet rumor and old wives tale. One night I chugged a big glass of ice water after dinner and he started freaking out and saying my guts were gonna harden."

"I sarcastically told him to drive me to the hospital if that happened. Obviously, nothing happened and the next morning I said something like 'Thanks for being on standby in case my guts filled with hardened oil.' He just walked off muttering under his breath."

apocalypticradish

Arms Down

"When I was pregnant, I was told by young and old alike that I should NOT raise my arms above my head or exert myself in such a manner because it could cause cord strangulation to my unborn sons and daughters."

Fatmouse84

10 Years Actually

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"Chewing gum stays in your stomach for 7 years."

REDDIT

"I remember accidentally swallowing a piece of gum when I was a kid in like 1995 and just accepting my fate like welp, gonna have this in my stomach til high school I guess."

Gecko-911

I was so afraid to sallow my gum when I was young.

This tale is haunting.

High/Low

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"You can tell the sex of the baby by how you carry."

LeastFormal9366

"Pregnancy certainly wins awards for the most old wives tales. So much absolute BS was repeated to us by everyone we talked to."

IllIIIlIllIlIIlIllI

The Cursed

"If you’re a woman and you wear opal jewelry but opal is not your birthstone (October), you’ll never be able to have children, or will be widowed, or just generally have bad luck or something. You can counteract this by having a diamond in the same piece of jewelry as the opal, though."

"I have a nice opal ring that my parents gave me years ago, and I’ve had other women give me this 'advice' unprompted more than once when I’ve worn it. I have absolutely no idea where it started, but I’m pretty sure this little chunk of silicate rock has no concept of what month I was born in, let alone of how my reproductive organs work."

SmoreOfBabylon

Stay In

"Going outside with wet hair will make you get pneumonia. Or an earache. Or maybe arthritis. Depends on which old wife you listen to."

"Jokes on them - I haven't blow-dried my hair in decades and usually leave the house with wet hair in the morning. On winter mornings, the tips of my hair get frozen. No ear infections or pneumonia or arthritis yet."

worldbound0514

Dreams and Facts

"You never make anyone up in your dreams you've seen everyone in your dreams somewhere else before and never make anyone up entirely."

"How would you possibly prove that to be true? My partner adamantly believes this and tells me this 'fact' whenever I have a dream about someone I've never met before."

mattshonestreddit

"My late wife used to tell me that before she met me she would have dreams of standing at an alter on her wedding day but could never see the guy's face, no matter how hard she tried. After meeting me the face was filled in with mine. Don't know if it's true but one of those things I like thinking of every now and then when I miss her."

Darthdemented

Cracked

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"Some people still believe cracking knuckles causes arthritis."

Choice-Grapefruit-44

"There's a doctor (Donald Unger) that cracked his knuckles a couple of times a day for 60 years, but only on one hand, just to prove it. Both hands remained exactly the same."

MacyTmcterry

I love my knuckles.

Do you have any tall tales to add to the list? Let us know in the comments below.

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Some people stand firmly stand behind their beliefs that everyone would benefit from therapy and that therapy is life-changing.

It's because of the totally life-changing truth bombs their therapist had dropped during their sessions.

Curious, Redditor anonymiss0018 asked:

"What is a little bombshell your therapist dropped in one of your sessions that completely changed your outlook?"

Communication Issues

"'If you don’t have these problems with any other person in your life, why do you think you’re the problematic person in this one?'"

- maggiebear

"I love this. I have a 'friend' who I always seem to run into misunderstandings with. Every time we had a conversation, it somehow turned into a debate even if it was me talking about my day. The conversations were never easy."

"I always evaluate myself first and take into consideration his critiques. He was very good at convincing me that I was contradicting myself or wasn't good at communicating my thoughts."

"I NEVER had this issue with ANYONE else in my life. I kept trying to figure out where the miscommunication was coming from. In the end, I just minimized contact and now I don't run into this issue."

- chobani_yo

"I read this quote somewhere once (and probably have it a bit wrong): 'It's a waste of time arguing with someone who is determined to misunderstand you.'"

- Reddit

Emotional Regulation

"'You can’t control your emotions, but you can control what you do with them.'"

"At the time, I was a young adult who had learned zero healthy emotional regulation skills (only suppression and shaming) growing up, so this blew my mind."

- lil_mermaid

Tough Relationships

"'It sounds to me like you are trying to convince yourself to stay with your girlfriend. I'm not so sure it should be so difficult.'"

"At the time he said this, I remember it was like he said, 'The earth is flat.' I thought he was crazy when he suggested relationships don't need to be difficult. But eventually, I started to realize I was trying to change myself to stay with this person rather than just being who I am."

"It took me three more months to finally break up with her but from that day on, I vowed to never again abandon myself just to be with someone I had convinced myself was better than me."

- metric88

High-Stress Situation

"I was at a high-stress time, and I asked her how people live like this."

"She replied, 'Oftentimes they have cardiac events.' She said it as an urging to care for myself as much as possible."

- KittenGr8r

The End of Alcohol

"I was struggling with my alcoholism, and we were discussing how I had been cutting back."

"She asked what I would consider success, with regard to my drinking."

"I said I wanted to get to a point where it wasn't interfering with my daily life. I wanted to just be able to have a glass of wine at holiday dinners or family gatherings."

"She simply asked me why. Why was it important for me to drink at those times?"

"It was as if she'd turned on a light. Alcohol had always been a key ingredient in every family function, for my entire life. When I smell bourbon, I think of my uncle. When I smell vermouth, I think of my dad. Alcohol ran through almost every happy childhood memory."

"But, even more than that, I was very afraid of the explanation I'd have to give when family and friends asked why I wasn't having a drink. I had tried to quit before but failed. What if I admitted my problem, only to fall off the wagon?"

"When she asked why I didn't want to completely quit, it was the first time I saw that last part of the big picture. I'd be willing to drink myself to death in order to avoid being scrutinized, or judged for possible future failures."

"That was the day I quit. I've been sober since May 6th, 2017. 2,407 days."

- sophies_wish

Acceptance vs. Enjoyment

"'Accepting something doesn’t mean you have to like it.'"

"That took away a lot of my inner conflicts about situations because I could accept a situation without expending energy internally fighting against the injustice of it."

- alibelloc

Emotionally Immature Parents

"You are not responsible for your parents' emotional wellbeing. They are independent adults who have been on this earth for many more years than you."

- SmokedPears

Not So Lazy

"'Why do you think you're lazy?' Then she listed off all the things she knows I'm doing for my family, my job, and my life."

"It kind of blew my mind when I struggled to come up with an example."

"She also described family dysfunction as water. Some families are messed up in a way that everyone can see the huge waves across the surface. Others are better at hiding it, but there's still a riptide that you can't see unless you're also in the water."

"It made me realize that trying to keep the surface from ever rippling doesn't erase what is happening underneath."

- flybyknight665

The Harm in People-Pleasing

"'Why do you make people more comfortable when you are uncomfortable?' when talking about people pleasing and fawning."

- ERsandwich

Agree to Disagree

"'Stop trying to get everyone to agree. When you need everyone to agree, the least agreeable person has all the power.'"

This really changed my outlook on planning family events."

- freef

Grieve and Start Anew

"For context, I had a major TBI (traumatic brain injury), seizures, strokes, and all around not a fun brain time when I was 28."

"They said, 'You have to grieve the loss of yourself.'"

"Most people wanted me to go back to how I was. The f**ked up truth is that part of my brain is dead. The person everyone (including myself) knew died. I needed to grieve the loss of myself."

- squeaktoy_la

Multifaceted Identity

"They told me that my job and career is just a way to make money; it's not my life or identity. That took a lot of pressure off me."

- unfairpegasus

Breaking the Cycle

"They validated me."

"'You always talk about not wanting to do to your daughters what your mom did to you. You worry about it so much in every interaction you have ever had with them."

"But your children are 19 and 21 now. They are happy and healthy and they trust you because you’ve never abused them in any way. So I just want to validate for you that you really have broken that cycle of violence."

"You did that. And you should be proud of it. I’m proud of you for it.'"

- puppsmcgee74

The Grieving Process

"I was constantly bringing up how I felt like a completely different person after my mom died... like there was a marked difference between before and after her death."

"But once, she was asking about my hobbies, I got really into describing all the things I loved to do or at least used to do before I got into a deep depression."

"She was like, 'Wow, you seem very passionate.'"

"And I just sat there like, 'Well, I mean, I can't change what I like to do, they're still fun to do.'"

"And it's like she knew when to take a step back, because it was like, wow, I may be super depressed about my mom passing, but I'm still me. I'm still my passions and those don't go away."

"I don't know, maybe it only makes sense to be, but it really started getting me back on track."

- Hannibal680

Sharing the Load

"I've never really had friends. I've had colleagues and classmates and housemates and people who have hung out with me, but I never really felt close to any of them."

"And I did that thing you see on here sometimes; I stopped reaching out to see if I would be reached out to, and I wasn't, which I took as confirmation that they didn't really want me around, or at the very least, that they wouldn't mind my absence."

"I was talking to my therapist about people I'd been close to in college, and she told me to pick one and talk about him. So I did. After I shared some basic stuff like his name and his major etc., and a couple of anecdotes, she asked me what else I knew about him."

"And I couldn't answer. It wasn't really a broadly applicable bombshell, but she said, 'What else?' and I started crying because I realized that for as simple as the question was, my inability to answer spoke volumes."

"I've never had good friends because I've never been a good friend. I'm withdrawn and reserved and I always made others do the work to drag me out, without ever extending my own friendship in a meaningful way in return. If I wanted to have meaningful relationships with other people, I would have to build them."

"I'm still working on this, but I'm trying to make more offers and extend more friendliness to others in my daily life."

- Backupusername

The discoveries in this thread were incredibly touching and profound; it's no wonder these were lasting concepts for these Redditors.

It's important to keep ourselves open to inspiration and insights from others, as we have no idea how their experiences could help us, or how we could help them.

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There's something comforting about living in a small town.

It's characterized by close communities where neighbors know each other by name and there is an abundance of kindness extended to others.

Gift-giving is a commonality, as is the sharing of recipes, and people going out of their way to help each other in a time of need.

The pace of living in small towns is also a striking contradiction to city life, where crowds of people go about their busy lives without much interaction.

Curious to hear more examples of what small town living is like, Redditor official_biz asked:

"What's the most 'small town' thing you've witnessed?"

These are positive examples of a tight-knit community.

Live Updates

"We have a village Facebook page. Every time the ice cream man drives into the village, the entire page goes ballistic. People send live updates of where the van is and which direction he's heading. The ice cream man has started accepting DMs so he knows which streets to go down."

– PyrrhuraMolinae

Brush With The Law

"I’m from a town of less than 2,000 people. When I worked at the grocery store there people would often drop off stuff for my family members because they didn’t want to drive all the way down to our house. I no longer live there but recently got a call from my daughter. She had been stopped for speeding and handed over her license and insurance which happens to be in my mother’s name. The officer goes 'Hey, you’re Donnie’s granddaughter! I ain’t gonna write you a ticket but I’m telling Donnie when I see him tomorrow cause we’re going fishing.' She replied 'I think I’d rather have the ticket.'”

- Reddit

Roadside Catchup

"The traffic on the 'main street' of my town is so sparse, two drivers going opposite directions can stop and talk to each other for a few minutes without causing any problem."

– anon

When things go wrong, people take notice without incident.

Bank Robbery

"A guy robbed a bank and everyone knew immediately who he was and the teller got mad at him."

– AlexRyang

"A local bank was robbed and one of the tellers told the police to bring her a yearbook from about ten years earlier and she would be able to point the robber out. He had been in the grade before hers in school."

– Strict_Condition_632

Wise Woman

"When I worked at the bank in town there was an older lady that had worked there through 5 mergers."

"She knew everyone, there was a young guy yelling at me one day. She walked out of the back and he immediately quieted. She went off about telling his grandmother that he was treating young women like sh*t. She also said that if he didn’t straighten up not one girl in town would ever marry him she would make sure of it."

– ilurvekittens

Intoxicated Local

"Town drunk was paralyzed and used a motorized wheelchair to get around. I was driving home one Saturday night and said town drunk was passed out in his wheelchair doing circles almost directly in the town square. Had to call his brother who came and picked him up on a rollback truck. Strapped him down and drove off into the cold dark night."

– DoodooExplosion

Grazing Over To The Bar

"In my former small town, there was an older guy who'd lost his license after getting a few DUIs. Every day, he would ride his John Deere lawnmower to the corner bar around 3PM and sit around watching TV and sipping his beer well into the night. Then he'd head the couple miles back home on his mower. He even had a little canvass shell he put on when it rained or got too cold."

– brown_pleated_slacks

It's not surprising how small town people behave differently than those who are from metropolitan areas.

Welcoming Committee

"I lived in a small town. When I moved there, people would ask, 'Whose house did you buy?'"

–MoonieNine

"Move to a small town. 30 years later, you are still the new guy."

– impiousdrifter

"I lived in a small town for most of my childhood but I wasn't "from there" because my grandparents weren't from there."

– raisinghellwithtrees

"Worked with an older guy, relative of the owner of the business, he was 73. I asked him if he was a local, he said 'no his parents moved here when he was two.'"

– realneil

A Busy Day

"Lived in a town of about 5,000: A woman walked into the DMV on a Friday, saw that there were 3 people ahead of her and left to come back another time when they weren't so busy."

– KenmoreToast

Who Let The Dogs Out?

"My dogs got out while i was working. the police called my niece's elementary school (she was a 5th grader) to get her to round them up and take them back home."

– mediocrelpn

"There was a small kennel behind the police station for runaways. They called us saying they had our dog, and moments later our dog showed up home. He broke out of jail."

– Worried_Place_917

While life in a small town sounds appealing, I don't know if I can ever live in one.

I'm so used to life in big cities, I think it would be quite unnerving to adjust in a neighborhood where everyone literally knows your business.

I would be paranoid.

And I'm sure the same could be said of life in the big city.

Would you consider making the switch to life in a different setting?