Arguing and fighting are basic parts of life. Sad isn't it?
We're humans, we are destined to disagree from time to time.
Or if you look at the state of Congress... it's just the natural order to be in constant battle.
The biggest problem about a fight is no one wants to admit they're wrong.
But inevitably, someone has to cave. And 8 times out of 10, there is a "right" party.
And when you're truly wrong, you know it.
But can you say it? Even for peace?
Redditormharris1405wanted to know about the times everyone could just feel they had no other option but to throw in the towel.
They asked:
"What are signs you lost the argument?"
I'm undefeated so I can't share in this conversation, but I'll listen . ;)
Origins
"You realize that your argument was based on a misunderstanding of the original point of concern." ~ Highwired1
Sasha Banks Reaction GIF by WWEGiphyPoint of Focus
"You're attacking the person you are arguing with instead of their argument." ~ Weirdguy149
"I was associated with a niche but decently large online gaming group for years and they HATED when people didn’t agree with what the general opinion was on anything."
"It always resorted to them trying to destroy the person’s image, even when the point of contention was completely non-consequential. It was wild happened to several friends of mine to the point they literally defamed him in a legal sense. Gotta love insecure nerds who can’t handle being wrong lmao." ~ RiceKrispieMeat
'How does that make sense?'
"Or when the entire argument stemmed from you not realizing how hostile your tone was. I had an argument like that with my sister a few months ago. I just asked 'How does that make sense?' because I genuinely couldn't understand her thought pattern but because the argument was already a bit heated and my tone made her interpret it as me outright calling everything she was saying bullshit, it just kept going. Had I realized what my voice made things sound like it would've been over pretty damn quickly." ~ ad240pCharlie
The Sky is Green
"Hard to tell. Sometimes people really have lost the argument. Other times it's just the irrationality of internet users that beat you into submission. After all, if 5 people are saying the sky is green. Then it doesn't matter how many times you say its blue, you wont win the argument. Because those people are dumb as f**k. And you cant win against that." ~ JailbaitBarbie
Floored...
"Lying on the floor in a pool of your own liquids." ~ DognamedTurtle
Tired Floor GIF by The Drew Barrymore ShowGiphyLying on the floor. Yeah, I've been there. You?
Words matter
"Name throwing." ~ TheRealOgMark
"Ahh reminds me of this one guy that kept on calling me a fatty and replying to me every one of my comments because I said Jojo fans are toxic." ~ Jakeyloransen
Intimidating Season 4 GIF by The OfficeGiphyTopics
"When they start yelling or trying to include irrelevant things into the conversation. Like no, we were talking about topic A. You trying to bring up topic B, C & D doesn’t make me forget about topic A." ~ FlightWolf23949
"It makes it impossible to have an intelligent back and forth with the person. Like no, that’s a completely different thing, we’re talking about A. Stop changing the subject!" ~ hunybuny9000
GOAL!
"You move the goal posts." ~ spastichabits
"I sometimes do a poor job of describing my point. When I figure that out and make it clearer, that could look like I'm moving the goalposts. But otherwise, sure." ~ twopointsisatrend
"This, and you change the subject slightly. cough insults cough," ~ Fancy_Agent_8542
Life's too Short
"I get involved in the argument in the first place, I'm either just plain wrong but realise it way too late and can't admit because the other guy is being a c**t about it, or I'm right and the other guy won't admit it because he's being a c**t about it. Better to just let c**ts be c**ts life's too short 🤷♂️." ~ Philsredditaccount1
Weak
"You resort to weak comebacks and drag on the original argument rather than actually countering it." ~ VapertoweI
Argue Sesame Street GIFGiphyOh to be mean and witty. Such a gift.
But maybe let's try more truth and kindness going forward.
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“'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'.” What's your best real life example of this?"
They Literally Won't be "Shut Down"
"When I tell people to just reboot your computer and it will fix all their problems and yet they won't because they said if you wait long enough it will shut down, when in reality it only goes to sleep."
"Then when I tell them they have to completely shut it down they look at me like I'm an idiot and say they did."
"I tell them it seems like it but it only went to sleep."
"They argue back."- niallaa
Some People Just Don't Get It...
"I used to argue a lot with my sister when we were kids."
"She would do this thing where she would say something, and then I would reference back to it literally a minute or two later to prove a point and she would say 'I never said that' or 'that’s not what I said'."
"Absolutely impossible to argue with someone who will just deny having said things that could hurt their argument."
"Also, trying to change the course of an argument if they feel like they are 'losing'."
"A coworker once called me an idiot for doing something 'incorrectly' when I was actually doing it the right way."
"When I politely explained to them that the way they suggested doing the task didn’t actually work, they started asking 'why are you getting so angry?? I was just trying to help' etc."
"So now we’re arguing about whether I’m angry or not instead of the right way to complete the task."- themightypianocat
Facts Are Facts...
"Arguing is pointless if you do not agree on a set of facts."- niallaa
Facts GIF by Judge JerryGiphyYou Can't Have It Both Ways...
"For a short while, I worked as a line cook at a Cracker Barrel, and there was a little saloon style door that led to the staff section (kitchen, bathroom, etc)."
"There was a staff only sign on the door, above the doors, and on the wall behind the doors at eye level."
"Usually if someone from the customer side comes in, they said, 'Coming in' before opening the door, so they didn't hit anyone, but of course customers didn't know that."
"So when this dude opened the door and hit a waitress carrying a ton of drinks, we were reasonably upset with him."
"He said, ;You should really put a sign up'."
"We showed him all the signs, and he goes, 'That seems a bit excessive'."- GreyFoxHound1
So Wrong.
"Had an employee sign an NDA about an upcoming art installation that had investors."
"He told everyone."
"He argued with me the NDA only meant he couldn’t disclose anything with the people in the company."- BosskHogg
He Knew What He Was Talking About
This was best said:
“'Never wrestle with pigs'."
"'You both get dirty and the pig likes it'.― George Bernard Shaw"- Zerowantuthri·
pigs GIFGiphySome Outdated Inventions Are Definitely Not Missed...
"I’m showing my age here but I used to work for an estate agency, and we had sales offices set up at the site of large new housing developments."
"Our primary method of communication was fax."
"One of the sales associates telephoned our office to say that the fax machine had run out of paper."
"No problem, I said, one of the guys is coming your way later for a house tour, I’ll give him a box of paper to give to you."
"We then had an almost 20 minute long argument when they kept insisting 'NO, YOU JUST SEND ME A BLANK FAX BECAUSE I NEED THE PAPER, IT WILL JUST COME OUT OF MY FAX MACHINE'.”
"It was like trying to nail jelly to a tree."
"Difficult, irritating, and it achieved nothing."- BettieKat
Very Few Hills Are Worth Dying On...
"I had a friend in university who was a world-class high school debater."
"Over meals, she liked to pick a ridiculous proposition and then talk circles around people until they had to concede to her point, no matter how absurd."
"When she tried it with me, I just stonewalled her."
"Met every point with a solid 'I don't think that's true'." or 'That doesn't make sense'."
"Eventually she gave up and never tried it with me again."
"It was the only time I've ever used the tactics of the stupid to win an argument."
"But, to be fair, if you're not arguing with me in good faith, I feel no obligation to respond in good faith."- kitskill
IS The Customer Always Right?...
"Working retail."
"Especially when I worked in the tech shop or a computer store."
" Trying to convince someone their $500 laptop is never going to be a gaming system no matter how many of the very few replaceable parts we throw at it can be exhausting."- MOS95B
happy episode 7 GIFGiphyEducation Only Matters If You Learned Something....
"Was arguing with this dude about something math-related."
"He didn’t know how to read a study that involved statistics. claimed he was in multiple AP math classes."
"Tried saying that I 'probably don’t even know basic integration'."
"Gave me a common integration problem."
"He wrote it but forgot the minus sign, making it unsolvable."
"I pointed it out and he edited the comment to make it correct."
"Told him that some people can see when you edit comments."
"He claimed that he just capitalized a letter. on and on and on."- SaturdayNightCity
Good Legal Counsel Might Be Worth The Splurge...
"I asked a representative from the Friend of the Court to explain something she said and she told me that I understood what she was saying."
"I replied that I wouldn't have asked her to explain if I had understood."
"She said if I was going to be difficult, she would hold me in contempt."
"My X chimed in that she didn't quite understand what she had said and was greeted with a smile and an explanation."
"From that point on I always disagreed with the Friend of the Court on EVERYTHING, so that I could be seen by the 'Actual Court' and a Judge."- PURPLEPEE
Season 4 Episode 21 GIF by The SimpsonsGiphySore Winners Are No More Attractive Than Sore Losers...
"Once worked with a guy who, by his own admission, got his rocks off by picking fights."
"He'd start an argument over the smallest thing."
"If you said it was white, he'd say it was black, just to try to start something."
"The one that always stood out for me was the weather app competition."
"One day he asked me what temperature it was, so I read it off my weather app."
"He got all offended, because his weather app said it was a couple degrees warmer."
"So he decides we're going to have a weather app competition."
"He was going to chart what our apps said the temperature was, and at the end of the week, whichever one was closest to that day's high would be the winner."
"And the loser would have to start using the winner's app."
"To which I said, "What is your f*cking problem?'"
"So, yeah."
"For the first few days, he'd make a big performance about marching into my office, recording the temperature off my app, jotting down some notes, and walking off."
"This started on a Monday."
"He gave up after Wednesday."
"Either because I was winning, or he was disappointed because, despite his best efforts, I just did not give a f*ck about weather apps."
"Or maybe the boss told him to stop because I filed a complaint that this was bordering on harassment."- originalchaosinabox
Im Always Right GIF by ZionGiphyIt should perhaps be said calling someone an idiot, or even thinking it, is not a particularly nice thing to do.
Even so, if you're tempted to do so when you're in the presence of a particular individual, probably best not to provoke them.
After all, if you're so determined to "win," does it really make you any better than them?