Sometimes it's the little things that light the biggest fire in us.
<p>Forget healthcare, economic policy or foreign affairs. What about the minute annoyances of speech? What about the proper way to eat cereal?</p><p>We find ourselves in a chaotic historical moment. The pandemic continues to rage and the peaceful transfer of power in the United States has never felt so threatened. </p><p>Perhaps a little exhausted by those macro-level, swirling debates, some Redditors took a moment to name the tiny minutiae that always grinds their gears. </p><p>wetspider asked, <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">"What's the most meaningless hill you'll die on?"</a></p>
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Mind Your O's
<p>"People saying 'loose' when they mean 'lose' upset me so deeply. I don't correct people, but it hurts my head."</p><p>"Wanna loose weight? I'm afraid I'll loose her and I love her so much. Sometimes I think I'm just a looser."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi1qv6o?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">tinypiecesofyarn</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_36" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Writing Off Whole Swaths of the Population
<p>"Oxford comma is best comma."</p><p>"Anyone who says otherwise is categorically wrong, and I respect them less as a person."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi0xh2w?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">the-tonsil-tickler</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_2" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Know Your Negatives
<p>It's 'I couldn't care less,' not 'I could care less."' -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi0yohw?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">homevp</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"That one did piss me off.</p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"If you couldn't care less, then you could not care less, dipsh**. - Sounds like you don't give a F about it. Cuz you couldn't care less." </p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"If you could care less, then, it sounds like you care more about it than the saying is meant to intend." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi1fhnf?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Etil9</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_3" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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It's Fun, But WRONG
<p>"Reese's rhymes with pieces, not feces. It's f***ing obvious." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi0ykdr?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">sjmp75020</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"I ate too many Reese's pieces and it gave me explosive Reese's feces." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi1g1vg?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">jerrythecactus</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"100% agree. Didn't even though this was a thing until I was an adult. Not sure where such appalling pronunciation came from." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi1gses?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Elation18</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_4" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Mismatched Priorities
<p>"Drinking age smoking age etc should be 18 not 21" -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi16qkr?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">threadgrinder</a><span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"If you are old enough to join the army you should be old enough to have a beer." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi1rge2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Mandelbrotpizza</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"I don't care what arbitrary number is chosen so long as it's consistent. If you're old enough to vote or join the military then you're old enough to decide what to do with your own body." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi2b3jf?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">FeatherShard</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_5" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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A Short, Sweet Denunciation
<p>"It's 'by accident' and not 'on accident.'"</p><p>"Yes, language is living, but 'on accident' lives in the mouths of the irredeemable. Thank you for attending this talk."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi1g6tc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">HollyHobbyOxenfree</a></p>Let's Be Civil
<p>"Barbeques lit with commercial firelighters and cheap charcoal will make all food taste like commercial firelighters and cheap charcoal"</p><p>"Use good quality charcoal and use home made firelighters (twisted kitchen-roll soaked in veg oil)"</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi16dk2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Hugh_Jampton</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_6" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Entertainment
<p>"Enjoying professional wrestling is no different to enjoying a TV show like game of thrones."</p><p>"Tell people you like wrestling and you get the 'you know it's fake, right?' And then go on to rave about whatever tv show they are enjoying."</p><p>"It's the same damn thing!"</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi10df5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">misschanandalarbong</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_7" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Digging Craters With Each Pour
<p>"Cereal before milk" -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi1bor0?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">i_need_allthehelp</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"Never even considered it could be done any other way,people are monsters." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi1rkmj?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Mandelbrotpizza</a></p><div data-conversation-spotlight style="min-height:90px"></div>
Hot Take on the Tots
<p>"Tater tots are the superior fried potato." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi109dy?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">NotHisRealName</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"This comment really hashed my browns." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi1jzcr?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">StalinsPerfectHair</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"My man, this is the winner right here." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kpz2c3/whats_the_most_meaningless_hill_youll_die_on/gi1eh6y?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">xDecenderx</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_8" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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To be called a person of principle is typically a feather in one's cap. Staunch, unwavering convictions about ideals are a wonderful expression of humanity, right?
Not if those convictions land you with an injury or a room of people laughing at you.
<p>Redditor's gathered to discuss the absolute dumbest things they've ever done to get the upper hand on a an argument. To shut any debate down and deliver the ultimate persuasion, they opted for the pragmatic approach: do the thing they say you can't or won't. </p><p>Prepare for stupidity and 20/20 hindsight. </p><p>CherryCola32 asked, <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">"What is the stupidest thing you've done just to show you could do it?"</a></p>
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Explosion on the Wrong End
<p>"In grade school, maybe age 11 or 12, I had these cheap jeans. I figured out that I could flex my belly and pop the button open, found this funny and guy friends in class got a laugh too. One of them turns to a girl, hey girl checkout what OP can do."</p><p>"I flex my belly and let out a huge fart while the button popped open. She turned away, my buddy laughed, and i never did this trick again."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvt6dj1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">brother_meowzone</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_36" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Biohazard
<p>"A buddy bet I couldn't finish the spiciest chicken sandwich at this joint known for insanely spicy chicken in under 30 minutes. I knew I f***ed up when they gave me gloves to eat the sandwich so the sauce couldn't touch my skin and made me sign a waiver. Won the bet, but really I lost in the end."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvt19lb?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">mixedwithmonet</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_2" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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The Dunk of No Return
<p>"In 2001, my sister got me a Sony phone, a tiny little thing with a flip down front. She worked in a phone shop and got discount. On the box, it said the phone was waterproof and there were tiny rubber seals in places."</p><p>"I believed them."</p><p>"At the pub where I worked, this aspect came up in conversation. Some guy said the phone couldn't be waterproof, and that shower proof was probably more accurate. Remembering the box, I argued the point . . . And dropped my phone into a pint of beer in an effort to prove it."</p><p>"I was wrong. Brutal but well-earned life lesson."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvswhpv?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Queen-of-Beans</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_3" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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THWACK
<p>"Cliff diving, saw a old man do a front flip off a 40 foot cliff. I said if he can do it, so can I. I did the flip alright, followed by a belly flop that Zeus could hear. Knocked the air out of me, but luckily people were floating near by to save my dumb a**." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvsoi9r?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Skarface08</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"I bruised my a** by jumping off a similar height rock and landing in a seated position" -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvsux3w?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">theknightmanager</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_4" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Another Dunk, a Little Warmer
<p>"When I was around 12, I was neglecting to flush my piss. Too busy playing armored core. So my dear mother brings me into the bathroom, and tells me if I don't flush next time, she's going to dip my hands in the piss. I looked at her, made a hammer fist, smashed it in the toilet, covered myself in piss, only a little on her(thank god.)"</p><p>"I wasn't even a malicious child, just salivated at the opportunity to show I could withstand the punishment and was thus unafraid."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvt5i5u?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">sweetperdition</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_5" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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A Big Ol' Swig
<p>"I was about 4 years old and my grandfather was making something with buttermilk. I saw it in his hand, and I cried and screamed and begged to have some. He kept saying 'No, you won't like it!' but I persisted. He finally poured me an entire glass." </p><p>"I took one swig and I'm sure he could see the disgust on my face, because he looked like he had won." </p><p>"I stared at him right in his eyeballs as I chugged the entire glass."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvtactk?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">steffinator117</a></p>The Bait and Switch
<p>"My partner was a heavy smoker, and at the time, I'd never touched a cigarette. I would subtly—and sometimes not-so-subtly, but always lovingly—urge her to quit. She told me I had no idea how hard it was. I decided to take up smoking for about a month and then quit just to show her I could do it."</p><p>"That was ten years ago. I'm on a pack a day. She no longer smokes."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvt42ev?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">UniversalPolymath</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_6" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Reclaiming the Clock
<p>"Parents put a curfew on the computer when I was ~12 during summer break. No gaming from 10pm-6am."</p><p>"A reasonable person would go to bed at 10-10:30 and wake up at 7 to play, right? 12 year old me just <del>stood</del> stayed up until 6am, woke up my parents, and played until noon. Then died until dinner."</p><p>"Rinse and repeat for a few days until my parents got sick of waking up at 6am. Then I went back to gaming until like 2am."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvsmywy?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Hailene2092</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_7" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Technically, You Did Do It
<p>"Walked through the brush of our treeline to get a football to prove it wasn't poison ivy. I did it. I got the football."</p><p>"It was poison ivy." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvstupv?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Hellboy32607</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"I once did something similar, but it turns out I'm immune to poison ivy."</p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"The rest of my friends? Not so much." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvszpke?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">aetherwaves</a></p><div data-conversation-spotlight style="min-height:90px"></div>
Lingering Defeat After a Victory
<p>"I stabbed my leg with a pencil in elementary school. I told people I couldn't really feel much pain (which, at the time, was true). There was a spot on my leg from the lead for years." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvskyps?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">movealongnowpeople</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"Lol, I still have a piece of graphite in my left hand from getting stabbed with a pencil 33 years ago." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvt0qeh?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Dyolf_Knip</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_8" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Not How That Works
<p>"I told my 6th grade friends I could just jump off a two story roof and not get hurt. Guess who only got a scraped knee that day? Not me. I broke my leg." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvtdzwv?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">DemiDork231</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"There's always that kid in elementary that thinks he can fly." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvu3sui?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Obyson</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_9" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Tase (Tease)
<p>"Let a friend tase me in the butt for 1000 pesos (about 30 US cents lmao)" -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvt6wb8?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">uhhvet</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"When you get tased in the ass for 30 cents, you're doing it for the kink, not the money" -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvtqstb?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">__xor__</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">'My best friend's husband took my tazer and tazed me through my jeans and the material of the back pocket. The pain was something else. I also had a red mark on my booty for days."</p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"I will get him back one of these days. I am certian of that...'" -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvuq1m7?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">fr332B3M3</a></p>Extraordinary Gut Health?
<p>"Chugged way too much Apple cider vinegar.....huge mistake." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvsuqas?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">dhensonjazz</a><span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"The implication that there's an appropriate amount of apple cider vinegar that one could chug is excellent." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvurq0t?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">FoldupRabbit1</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"I just got sympathetic heartburn from this." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvtgrrg?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">buff_history</a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_10" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Dumb, Horrifying Children
<p>"As a kid I told my friends I could hold my breath for a long time, long enough to pass out, in fact. And that's exactly what I proceeded to do." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvt1ogx?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">hellbentforleisure</a><span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"My friends and used to have those breathing contests in the pool where you'd go underwater and see who could hold in their breath the longest. I'm a really competitive person so of course I won."</p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"I passed out in the pool when I was 9 doing this. The lifeguard was too busy flirting to care and he thought I was faking it." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvtfhwl?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">slightlylessright</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_11" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Faster, Faster, FASTER!!
<p>"Played that stupid f***ing 5 finger filet game with a compass back when I was in school. As I got more confidence I obviously got faster and inevitably the point went right into the side of my finger tip. F***ing idiot." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvt1pyq?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Borodave88</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"I played that stupid game at scout camp... I stopped after one of the younger scouts got to cocky because he could go faster than us older guys and sliced about 1/2 inch into the webbing between his fingers.. I can still see the blood." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvth4h1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">xdrakennx</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_12" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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All Claims to Iron Hands Died Then and There
<p>"when i was 6 I stapled my fingers because i had convinced all of my friends that i had iron hands" -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvsshp4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">ShelikeMykicks</a><span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"I was around that age too and I was fiddling around with a stapler and stapled my pointer fingers together. It was the skin just next to the nails so it barely hurt."</p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"I went downstairs to tell my mom who was doing laundry that I stapled my fingers together. I still remember the look on her face to this day." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvt2bkg?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Frankfertt</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_13" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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The Feeding Approach of an Anaconda
<p>"Won a doughnut eating contest. In 10 minutes I ate about 17 doughnuts, and seconds before the time was up and I had all my thoughts set on having a hearty cleansing puke a motherf***er who wasn't even taking part yelled that throwing up afterwards should disqualify you." </p><p>"Somebody counted that I took in a few days worth of calories. My appetite came back two days after."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hep0l9/what_is_the_stupidest_thing_youve_done_just_to/fvsz8n6?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">_citizenzero</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_14" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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When the children of toxic parents grow into capable adults, parental control gives way to a new friction. The kid, fully grown, presents a sudden equal force, one with opinions and words and a mouth.
<p>That confrontation, where a child finally speaks up after dealing with a toxic parent for so many months or years, can produce a variety of results.</p>
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<p>Successfully reforming a parent's approach over the course of an argument is nearly impossible. But it has been known to happen, and a Reddit thread gives some evidence.</p><p>Generally, though, things go POORLY.</p><p>A flaw or criticism, even when presented lovingly, is hard to hear about. And that difficulty ramps up when the person delivering the criticism is your own flesh and blood, the very person you raised.</p><p>So, most confrontations take the form of a whole constellation of emotions. Anger, denial, blame, and irrelevant counter-criticisms are all common approaches.</p><p>i- wanna-see-it-all asked, <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">"People who have confronted their parents about their toxic behavior, how did it go?"</a></p>
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Never Too Old to Gaslight
<p>"Either 'that didn't happen, you're making it up' or 'that didn't happen that way, you're remembering it wrong.' I'm still relearning to trust my own memory because I spent thirty years being constantly gaslighted."</p><p>"Now I just go to therapy and keep conversations with my parents nice and light and surface-y. Saves a lot of trouble."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frtv23z?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">seriouslaser</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_2" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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One and Done
<p>"My father had, over the years, developed an 'I call, you come to where I am' set of mind. I was at my parent's house for the weekend from college. I was a senior, and was close to graduating. I had worked hard. My parents weren't able to contribute to higher education."</p><p>"I was in the house talking with my mother, and I hear him whistling for me to come to him. I continued my conversation with my mother." </p><p>"He whistled again. My mother advised me to go see what he wanted. I told her it wasn't going to hurt him to wait or come in here if he really wants me, and we continued our previous conversation."</p><p>"He came stomping into the house, and demanding to know if I heard him. I told him I did. He asked why didn't I come then. I asked him if he expected me to come to him like a dog whenever whistled."</p><p>"From the look on his face, I don't think it had ever crossed his mind that he was treating me that way. It was something he never did again."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frtwfeh?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">spamgolem</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_3" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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A Trickle Down Theory of Trauma
<p>"My brother and I sat down with our dad with our grandfather as a mediator to explain the effects of his verbal and emotional abuse through the years. I cried the whole time as I explained that I had almost killed myself earlier that week by driving off a bridge because I couldn't take it."</p><p>"His response? 'Well, my father beat me. So really, you're getting the better end of it. It could be soooo much worse. This is just how it goes. You guys are going to do the same thing to your kids too, and they might be the ones to break the cycle, but there's nothing you can do about it.' "</p><p>"My brother and I said f*** that and immediately jumped into counseling and dismissed him as a father figure and sought new men we could trust."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/fru0j37?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">otterchan</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_4" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Grasping at Straws
<p>"Just as unsatisfying as you'd expect."</p><p>"Cried. Played the victim. Made excuses. The apologized. A week later pretended nothing happened & went off on me for not forgetting everything when she apologized."</p><p>"She's very mentally ill."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/fru1m92?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">kendiesel937</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_5" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Varying Degrees of Success
<p>"My mother wasn't really toxic but emotionally distant. When I had a heart to heart with her, she hugged me and we cried together. Our relationship has greatly improved."</p><p>"My dad is super toxic. When I tried to have a serious talk with him about the damage he's done he was adamant that he did nothing wrong. He even laughed when I told him that I was suicidal in the past because of him."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frtt1hs?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">SomeVelvetSundown</a></p>“The Fear Killer of My Life”
<p>"Bio Father: scared the holy sh** out of me most of my life. The day I called him on his abusive, drug addicted, alcohol dependent ways and was able to look him dead in the eye with a 'F***. You' was the most liberating, fear killer of my life."</p><p>"Mom, she's struggled with her own mental illnesses most of her life. Those eventually got projected on to me. Morality doesn't come from stone half-a**ed religious belief. Self-medication isn't a healthy coping mechanism. I stood my ground, explained how she was being a goddamned a**hole, and ever since we've been on great terms."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/fruc3n3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">TheRevSev</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_6" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Layers of Toxic
<p>"It's never gone well. Alcoholism is terrifying to confront." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frtxeio?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">CantHandleFacts</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"It is. They almost always get violent." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frv7jxz?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">dontniceguyatme</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_7" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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An Established Theme
<p>"They'd rather gaslight their own child than own up to anything." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/fru07tr?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">RoadFlowerVIP</a></p><p>"I just did. I was screamed at, I'm pretty sure gaslighted? Said I was being dramatic and stupid, immature. Lazy (severely depressed) and snippy (extreme anxiety and ptsd because of said parents) It hasn't been a good day." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frtymey?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">youraverageslytherin</a></p><div data-conversation-spotlight style="min-height:90px"></div>
The Brick Wall Kind of Confrontation
<p>"Got angry, swore at me, cursed my existence, the usual toxic parent stuff." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frtszaw?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">GarunixReborn</a><span></span></p><p>"Well, I haven't talked to my dad in over 3 years, so I'd say it went alright." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frtypn6?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">puffmonkey92</a></p><p>"Well, I haven't spoken to my mother in damn near 10 years." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frtygpp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Satanicbuttmechanic</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_8" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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The Twilight Zone of Arguments
<p>"Horribly. I've tried multiple times and it only results in circulate conversations where it's all turned around on me and I'm left feeling like I'm crazy."</p><p>"We'll go from me saying I feel x when you do x and then I'm being told I'm lying about example x because I told a lie 18 years ago."</p><p>"The topic changes a thousand times, we wind up yelling at each other, and then my parent will suddenly pretend to understand after all, I'll hear all about how loved I am, then after I leave I realize there was no apology and no resolution to what happened at all."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frtya6w?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">69schrutebucks</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_9" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p><strong><em>If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-TALK (8255).</em></strong></p><p><em>To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at </em><a href="https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/" target="_blank">https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/</a></p>
That's One Way to Take It
<p>"He moved to a bunker up north and keeps trying to convince me that we're living in the end times." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/fruev2h?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">waitforaberrymuffin</a><span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"Oh, glad it's nothing too crazy then." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frxm94j?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">i-wanna-see-it-all</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_10" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Toxicity In Multiple Directions
<p>"My mom. She went to rehab got kicked out after a few days for harassing other patients, came home harassed me and then took off. Have blocked her out of my life since."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/fru0684?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">[deleted]</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_11" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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A Disproportionate Response
<p>"Not great. When my dad picked a fight with me over the fact that I moved out (wtf) I told him the reason I moved out of the house was because of his toxic behavior."</p><p>"Dad flipped his sh**, said I was an ungrateful selfish spoiled brat with a personality disorder and that I was brain controlling my mother and sister. He was <em>literally</em> screaming and frothing at the mouth. It was terrifying."</p><p>"All because an 18 year old with a full time job decided to move out. Yeesh."</p><p>"On the plus side, Mom started to realize just how awful he was. They've since divorced and now none of us talk to him aside from occasional holiday cards. It's a huge improvement!"</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/fruife2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Moldy_slug</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_12" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Finally Some Good News
<p>"It went better than expected. My mom had a moment of self-realization and had never realized the effect she had on me. She apologized and has since changed her behavior."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/fru8kyl?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Cheyenne5555</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_13" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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When the Eight Year Old is More Mature
<p>"My dad was throwing a fit because I called his behaviour nonsense. He didn't let go and was sulking all day. I got tired of his BS and said sorry. I was 8." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/fru14u1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Gmax100</a></p><p style="margin-left: 40px;">"My dad is just like that; entitled, always takes anger out on whoever the Hell it is closest to him, always plays the victim, etc. We mostly get along well, and always bond over video games, movies, etc., but I'm thankful him & my mother broke up when I was born; there's no way I could handle living with him." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/fru9w70?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">EloquentScumbag69</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_14" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Utterly Deflating
<p>"They thought I was joking." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frucb6s?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">bbthatguy</a><span></span></p><p>"I was honest with them as a teenager. They just laughed at me." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frual2v?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">blizzaga1988</a></p><p style="margin-left: 20px;">"Same." -- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frusyv6?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">sydude_365</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_15" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Brutal Honesty
<p>"When I was trying to find a job as a teen, I was chubby. And very unhappy about it."</p><p>"My dad used to ask me what jobs I applied to, how much it paid, etc. And then one day he told me, 'When you hand in your application, tell them it may not look like you work hard, but you really do.' "</p><p>"I was so crushed, that my dad had such a low opinion of me. I tried to tell him how that made me feel, but he just laughed it off. That was a long time ago and we're still not close. For that comment and many other reasons."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frudc53?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">whocares023</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_16" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Hard Work After the Confrontation
<p>"Back when I was around 12 or 13 my mom uses to be in a horrible mood and scream at us for little to no reason. This mostly was caused by stress. I would sometimes wake up with anxiety attacks and nightmares of her."</p><p>"Sometimes she got physical about it but usually it was just the "u are a disappointment" etc. At some point I just got so tired of it that I just snapped. We got into a big fight, didn't talk for a few weeks."</p><p>"After my father realized what was going on he decided to contact a therapist. We now (22 currently) are fine and have decent relation."</p><p>-- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gqnr4c/serious_people_who_have_confronted_their_parents/frufn8w?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">UnclesPoopsock</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_17" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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In a perfect world, facts would be important to everyone. We do not live in a perfect world. We live in a strange and reactionary place where facts can often be brushed aside as opinion or seen as offensive.
<p>So how the heck are we ever supposed to let anyone know when they're factually incorrect without being seen as major jerks? Honestly, we probably don't. Even the most innocent and well-intentioned fact check has the potential to truly hurt and offend. </p><p><br></p>
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<img lazy-loadable="true" src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yMTE3NjI1MC9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTYxOTk0MzM5M30.65D--Ay6_Ifxmmm3SUBQzkBXUzmY0OHUXrloxM7OnU8/img.gif?width=980" id="4b70f" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="809d1f97f52a88619195bd9a680cd9e2" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" />Giphy<p>If I'm openly disagreeing with someone, after a minute I just go, "Duh! We can Google this!" It adds humor to the situation and implies either could be right.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f23olrk?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">scienceforbid</a></p>
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<p>Still, reddit user Gallon-O-milk asked a question we all want to know the answer to:</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/" target="_blank">How do you fact check someone without seeming like a jerk?</a></p><p>There are some really useful tips and tricks here, we will admit. But we're also not in the business of lying to our readers, so we're going to be honest. If a person is prone to being offended, then no matter how politely or tactfully you say something it's going to happen. They're going to think you're rude. They're going to dislike or dismiss what you say.</p><p>Just make sure you're braced for it if it happens. Choose your battles wisely. Prepare to be side-eyed.</p>
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Good Faith
<p>Treat them as good-faith actors. They're not trying to be wrong... They believe what they're saying. Ask questions.</p><p>"I didn't know that. Can you explain it a bit more?" Then when you have a natural opportunity, say something like "I always thought... "</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f23ph3r?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">riotacting</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_2" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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I Believe You, But...
<p>At work as a foremen we use the phrase "trust, but verify" I believe you but it's my job on the line.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f23r5cm?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">dirtystreetz</a></p><p>Yup, aircraft maintenance is the same way.</p><p>"I trust that's correct, but I need to verify. So if anything goes wrong we've both had eyes on it."</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f24ngkp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">xxkoloblincxx</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_3" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Mission Impossible
<img lazy-loadable="true" src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yMTE3NjM0NC9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY1NzMxNTY5M30.Gky4lgKKhEuJedkEQqo35qKj_FwtjG7e23vCcBQ-u5M/img.gif?width=980" id="8a908" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="3c925db788e580f97ca5250d0a50d674" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" />Giphy<p>You don't. Someone will always be offended.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f23ljft?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">matthew-1138</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_4" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Us vs The Problem
<p>Avoid telling people they are wrong and avoid telling them, "No, ...". People want two things: to feel heard and like they belong. Telling someone they are wrong doesn't accomplish either.</p><p>Provide evidence for a counterpoint and let them draw their own conclusions. You aren't trying to tear them down, you're working with them to find a solution to a problem. It just so happens that the evidence you have found supports a different solution than theirs. The minute you view it as me vs them and not us vs the problem you will have already failed.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f23nay2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">KamikazePuffer</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_5" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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This Nurse's Method
<p>I once heard a visitor to the hospital where I worked make some outlandish claim, and a nurse simply responded pleasantly "It sounds like you need more information!"</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f24a4gs?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">afmpdx</a></p>Just Don't
<p>Choose your battles. Fact checks may be okay once a week, but not like twice a day.<span></span></p><p>Walk away without "convincing" the other person. If you get argumentative, they'll often double down. My sweetest fact checks pay off hours, days, or even weeks later: "You know, I looked that up, and it turns out you were ..."</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f23yaeg?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">ChangeMyDespair</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_6" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Just Play Dumb
<p>Say, "Oh, really? I haven't heard that. Where did you read it?"</p><p>You disarm them by admitting you weren't aware of something they supposedly are, and ask them for a source. From there it can be easy to figure out if their source is a blog or scientific study, or whatever.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f247hrc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">culb77</a></p><p><br></p><p>I use this often. Generally Instead of offering an alternative viewpoint or facts of my own I simply keep asking question like I'm genuinely interested and uninformed; anxious to know more. Also if they make a number of false claims it's important to simply ask 1 question at a time. That essentially forces them to fact-check themselves and justify their viewpoint without giving them any options in terms of which questions of yours to answer.</p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_7" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p>Most of the time they'll at least come away with the realization that they don't know all the details or that their sources are sketchy, and hopefully will ask more questions themselves next time they're confronted with bad information. Which is a win in my book. And hey, if it turns out that I'm the one who's actually wrong, I also didn't go around making incorrect claims through this process.</p><p>The biggest draw-back to this strategy though is that this doesn't usually work in online discussions with other people trying to "help" you because they inevitably sandbag the process by asking too many questions at once, adding condescending facts of their own, and/or getting frustrated and aggravating the person you're trying to debate, at which point, everybody loses.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f24wjtv?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">twistedsymphony</a></p>
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Missing Some Information
<p>I had a student swear that her mom was a doctor and she became one because she knew somebody. I could NOT let her drop that and have other students believe that shit. I stated that there isn't a doctor in this country that hasn't gone to college and medical school. She insisted. After a couple of back and forths, I just finished it with 'I think we're missing some information'. Best line I ever used.</p><p>Turns out, her mom was an ultrasound tech for a doctor.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f25urn3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">JoatMon325</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_8" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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In The Most Polite Way
<p>I was backpacking through Yosemite last week and was just corrected in the most polite way. We were looking out over an amazing view and I thought something was half dome. A nice English fella then said "I'll be honest with you, I don't think that is quite correct." </p><p>Realized I was wrong immediately, and then thanked him for correcting me. Really seemed effective, on me anyway.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f251qda?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">askredditbanned19</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_9" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Knowing When It's Important
<p>Not always possible. Some people are offended by facts and data, and that's not an exaggeration. The real trick is knowing when it's important to fact-check and when it's not.</p><p>If my parents assert that only citrus fruits produce citric acid, I'm just going to nod my head</p><p>If my parents start telling me crime is through the roof and it's all black people's fault, I'm going to wiki empirical data to prove them wrong.</p><p>If they want to be mad at me for not taking their word at face value, even after they've been shown contradictory data from a reputable source, that's their prerogative. I've done nothing wrong.</p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_10" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p>It's on me at that point to recognize and stand by my personal values. I can't force immature people (even if they're my senior age-wise) to not "feel offended" for being presented a fact.</p><p>If you find yourself getting into debates with people who are like that, you should probably just tell them that if they're going to be offended by fact-checking that either they should check the facts themselves (then they can "offend" themselves so you don't have to) and then report them to you... OR they should accept your rebuttal without arguing because they're aware you're willing to look into the facts but you are also willing to refrain out of consideration for their (illogical) emotions, so long as they don't assert correctitude without proof.</p><p>Anyone who insists they're right but refuses to look at evidence is forcing you into an emotional battle in which you're tasked with overcoming their poorly-conceived yet deeply-held personal opinions, rather than an objective discussion using logic and reasoning to determine the truth. They have already made themselves "the jerk" at that point, even if people in their tribe feel similarly.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dbs4pv/how_do_you_fact_check_someone_without_seeming/f24z2c5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x" target="_blank">Honorary-Black-Man</a></p>
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Have you ever found yourself in an argument so stupid and/or pointless that you were sure you were being punked? Like you keep looking away from the other person to check your suroundings for places Ashton Kutcher and a camera crew could come popping out of?
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<p>You're not the only one.</p><p>Reddit user anti-hollowkid asked:</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/" target="_blank">What is the dumbest argument you've ever been in?</a></p><p>Brace yourselves, folks. Some of these arguments are breathtakingly bonkers. The sheer number of people who are willing to argue with someone over provable facts and what that other person likes or doesn't like is just ... stunning. It's stunning, you guys. Just not in a good way.</p>
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I Know What I Like
<img lazy-loadable="true" src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yMDU0MTQwNi9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY2MDY4MDI5MH0.eONs21vg2AgW1BjPjMB7coXWRZ6VS9Eqf3zSeZORiJ4/img.gif?width=980" id="81582" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="7be850a31f46d1850bc521877ea1692b" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" />Giphy<p>My wife and I once argued over whether or not I liked mustard on my hot dog. I was for me liking mustard, she was against me liking mustard.</p><p>The argument lasted way longer that you could ever imagine it would.</p><p><span></span>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evsck1d/" target="_blank">AardvarkAndy</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_2" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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A Stair Step
<p>My brother and I argued if our staircase had 13 or 14 steps, based on an argument about if the floor of the second floor counts as a stair-step or not. We still have no solution.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evskbyl/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">RazerWolf04</a></p><p>My dad is a stairbuilder and I spent many summers working at his warehouse, so I can clear this up. 14.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evt41os/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Apples9308</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_3" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Saturdays
<p>My husband and I have this thing where we only say "I love you" on Saturdays. Every other day it's <strong><em>"I love you, but only on Saturdays."</em></strong> I don't know how it started, but it's been going for 11 years now.</p><p>We're both shiftworkers, so sometimes we have to stop and think what day it actually is. We had an argument recently over whether it was Saturday or not. I said it was Saturday, he said it was Friday. It was Monday.</p><p><span></span>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evss8dq/" target="_blank">FormalMango</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_4" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Iraq
<p>I remember when I was about 13 my parents had an hour-long shouting match that ended with them almost getting divorced. The issue? Whether or not the nation of Iraq has a coastline.</p><p>My mother arguing that Iraq had a coastline, while my stepdad argued that it did not. This was back in 2004, and they are still quite happily married to this day. That incident is something they look back on and laugh about, and both of them admit it was really a pretty stupid thing to argue over.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evskq64/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">dontcryformegiratina</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_5" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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$40
<p>With an ex:</p><p><strong><em>"I owe you $80 for the bills of ours that you pay, and you owe me $40 for the bills of ours that I paid. Here's $40 in cash; we're even."</em></strong></p><p>She did not understand this.</p><p>I literally had to go get another $40 out of the ATM, and hand the $80 to her. Then I had her hand me the $40 she owed me.</p><p><strong><em>"Now how much do you have in your hand?"</em></strong></p><p>She still didn't understand.</p><p>She somehow has a college degree.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evsu2fu/" target="_blank">Speedly</a></p>Mini Wheats
<p>When we were kids my brother and I got in a physical fight because he said I like mini wheats and I insisted I didn't. His argument was that I always sang the mini wheats song and I was deeply offended that he wasn't aware that it was just stuck in my head but I hated the cereal. I actually did like the cereal I'm not sure why I was arguing with him about it but I remember how genuinely angry I was.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evsn7lk/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">shicole3</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_6" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Crayons
<img lazy-loadable="true" src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yMDU0MTQ4Ny9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY2ODY0NTQ3Mn0.LVxKiD3oiioFU5VYxb97qvKBv2S5c7rVage-32D6kCs/img.gif?width=980" id="d8dfa" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="5e00938d9ecf270cc28f0820507d73ed" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" />Giphy<p>I'll tell you about the only legal trouble I've ever been in, the fight that got me arrested. It started over whether we should return a box of crayons or not, and to this day I don't have any idea how it escalated to the point of the cops being called, but they were and I was the one taken in.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evsg5iu/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">CorrectionalChard</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_7" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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That's Unfair
<p>My boyfriend insisted that when two people are in an argument and one makes a point so reasonable and logical the other one can't disagree with it - it's unfair. I tried, logically and reasonably, to explain several times why that is just winning the argument, proving your point thoroughly and is completely fair. </p><p>His answer was that I was being unfair.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evspean/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ShyAcorn</a></p><div data-conversation-spotlight style="min-height:90px"></div>
Pure Masochism
<p>How the ch in masochism is pronounced. My friend caught me saying "masoKism" while he would say "masoSYism."</p><p>To be fair, he grew up speaking French, in which the ch in masochism is pronounced in "his" way. But he insisted that I was the wrong one here and that was just infuriating.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evse7q1/" target="_blank">argofire</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_8" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Emailing NASA
<p>A woman was adamant that looking at the big solar eclipse on the television was unsafe unless you were wearing glasses. She wouldn't believe us and insisted on emailing NASA to check.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evsmwp6/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">derawin07</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_9" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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A Non-Standard Ruler?
<p>I worked for a company that made signs. We had a customer ask for signs that were 7mm wide that were to go on a door. Our sign makers figured the order meant inches because 7mm is pretty small, so made them 7 inches. I got a phone call from the customer who went mad at me for making them the wrong size. So I put a reorder through for 7 mm.</p><p>Argued with the sign makers over it but they eventually agreed to do it after I shown them the order in writing. I even had the customer put her complaint in writing, reiterating the size they wanted.</p><p><br>7mm signs went out and a day later I get the customer on the phone literally screaming at me.</p><p>Cue the dumb argument - we ended up having an argument over how big a millimetre is, and obviously everyone in the office were laughing, but this customer just wouldn't accept it and said we must be using a non-standard ruler to measure.</p><p>Ended up being escalating to the sales department manager who refused to issue a refund. We still don't know what they actually meant.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evsqteq/" target="_blank">Lovelocke</a></p>
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This Unusual Vegan Argument
<p>Was in a pub with a few friends, and some random Dude dropped an ear, and somehow figured I'm vegan. Well, people like him are the reason I usually avoid mentioning it. He came up to me and insisted on starting a discussion about veganism. He claimed that by the end of it, I would be eating meat again. </p><p>He listed some stupid arguments, I told him I was not convinced and then tried to keep on drinking beer with my friends. He followed me, and wanted me to "try to convert him to a vegan." I stupidly listed some of my reasons thinking it would make him go away. He told me he still was not convinced, so I was like whatever. Again, I really just wanted to drink beer with my friends.</p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_11" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p><br>That dude followed me all night and expected me to try make him vegan. Doesn't matter what I said, and all the reasons that for me are obviously good enough to be vegan. He'd be just like<em> "No, that doesn't convince me, therefore your argument and how you life is stupid."</em></p><p>Didn't matter how often I told him that I honestly don't care; 5 minutes later he would come up to me again <em>"I'm still not vegan, so veganism is stupid, all your arguments were stupid, now give me a good reason to become vegan!"</em> At one point, I was literally yelling at him that I don't give a single flying f about what he eats and why, that it's in no way my responsibility to "turn somebody vegan" and in no way his business what I eat.</p><p>Honestly, for that dude, I would have bought a whole ham, just to shove it up his stupid annoying face.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evtb6qh/" target="_blank">onlytruebertos</a></p>
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Monty Python
<p>In college my roommate and I argued about a line in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. The scene with the Black Knight where the line <strong><em>"Alright, we'll call it a draw"</em></strong> is uttered. We argued about who said that line, whether it was King Arthur or the Black Knight.</p><p>It went on for hours longer than it should have because I was stubborn and refused to admit I was wrong.</p><p><span></span>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evspr9z/" target="_blank">Skrivus</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_13" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Albert or Arnold
<img lazy-loadable="true" src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yMDU0MTQ2NC9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY1MTI1NTA3Mn0.4SZnwsOM4d5JP52VoFNKGkrNEJTaK62l9z-2uuzJ_CE/img.gif?width=980" id="51270" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="b597db7ad90190df5e3bff36cad8aa40" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" />Giphy<p>Whether Albert Einstein or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more useful to have around during a Zombie apocalypse. How on earth would Albert Einstein come in handy!?</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evscy83/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gerrard1995</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_14" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Below Sea Level
<p>I live on an island and when you go upland and you look out the sea looks like it's higher than or on the same level as the land. It's just a weird perspective thing because of the horizon. One day some kid says that it's because the island is under sea level. </p><p>I'm like wtf bro all of us would be with the fishes. He argues that no that's not true and if I just go upland I'll see. We then spend a good 5 minutes of my time arguing about it until I decided to leave this kid in his stupidity. He even said we shouldn't believe everything adults tell us and sometimes we need to think for ourselves. </p><p>This kid was older than me and was going to a good school. Lost my respect for him ever since then.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/ewbua48/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">-justforclout-</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_15" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Tomash
<p>Someone tried to fight with me over how to spell my name.</p><p>Now, my name is in a lot of languages with slightly different spellings. I would have accepted any of <em>those</em> spellings, but this one was just... Not even close. It didn't make any logical sense.</p><p>An analogous example is if my name was Thomas and someone was insisting it was spelled Tomash. And not just the name Thomas in general, but that me specifically, on my birth certificate, was named Tomash. I know how to spell my own name. </p><p>I swear to god, it went on for like an hour.</p><p><span></span>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evshgqz/" target="_blank">TK-DuVeraun</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_16" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Whales Are Mammals
<p>I was in an online chat room one day, and we were talking about whales. I commented on how whales are mammals and the next thing you know, someone was arguing with me and trying to convince me that a whale was a fish.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/ewb0sph/" target="_blank">kawaii_psycho451</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_17" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Microwaves
<p>Stupid microwaves. Having a man child talk down to me about how microwaves work only for him to google it and prove me right. He slept on the sofa that night.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/ew3ztys/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">sun_phobic</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_18" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Shower Schedule
<p>My friend keeps telling me that the norm is that a person should shower once a week. This has been going on for years. I'm almost convinced he's trolling me.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evwhs37/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">LibrarianGovernment</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_19" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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No Balloons For Grandma
<p>My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky. </p><p>He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space. Releasing balloons is terrible for the environment and kills/harms so much wildlife. </p><p>He got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evvwnvj/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dskee02</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_20" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Spontaneous Dolphin Existence
<img lazy-loadable="true" src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yMDU1NzA0NC9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY2MjcyMDUzMX0.pDVkaeQGdJZk7Y7Kb23e2XtUlHiqTIr0hmUcFByD8C8/img.gif?width=980" id="d8d31" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="ba45711d0d41802952eaa99af4460d32" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" />Giphy<p>How dolphins reproduced. It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence. The argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures.</p><p>Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evv121d/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">thebeststory</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_21" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Male Chickens
<p>I repeatedly had the argument with a friend over whether roosters were chickens. She was convinced that only the females were chickens (hens). We were 18 at the time.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evvauq1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">bee_zah</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_22" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Lightning McQueen
<p>Me and my friend were drinking underage, we ended up in an argument of whether lightning McQueen's eyes were blue or green. Somehow throughout the whole thing both of us never thought to straight up google a picture.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evvok7c/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">23071115</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_23" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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But ... Ice Floats
<p>Waiter/Host here.</p><p>Woman wanted ice on the bottom of her drink.</p><p>Now read that sentence again and try to imagine arguing with that particular brand of stupid.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evve008/" target="_blank">FarWoods</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_24" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Time Zones Exist
<p>Coworker claimed that it was the same time of day and the same season on the whole globe. Had to get 4 coworkers to confirm to him that time zones do in fact exist.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evv2xbu/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">JustARegularToaster</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_25" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Colorblind
<p>My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.</p><p><strong><em>"Hey could you hand me that red _____?" </em></strong></p><p><strong><em>"that's orange" </em></strong></p><p><strong><em>"no, it's red" </em></strong></p><p><strong><em>"orange" </em></strong></p><p><strong><em>"YOU CANT EVEN KNOW"</em></strong></p><p>It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evuwyz8/" target="_blank">droneb2hive</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_26" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Andre 2000?
<img lazy-loadable="true" src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yMDU1NzA1MS9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY0MTEzNzU0Mn0.Ln-ji37ur3LHJYvCsldOXXWp4OSqOxqOh7jjeqRU00M/img.gif?width=980" id="8d298" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="07e16bc02f6e98c08a546bdaa098763c" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" />Giphy<p>I'm late, but I saw this question and instantly remembered that I was booted from a Facebook group because I called someone out on a lie that was not only bull, but extremely pointless. She was friends with the moderator and they made the case that my argument over such a little lie was more of a problem than the lie itself (though they didn't refer to it as a lie.)</p><p>The woman said that she used to babysit for Andre 3000 and that his name was Andre 2000 - but he changed it after the year 2000 had passed. This was so easily disproven it was ridiculous. Their debut album came out in 1994 and he was already going by Andre 3000 at that time. </p><p>The argument wasn't a huge long drawn out thing, but the fact that either of us were on Facebook at separate times meant that the responses were over a long period of time so this argument lasted a few days.</p><p>It was stupid.</p><p>- <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cl25vl/what_is_the_dumbest_argument_youve_ever_been_in/evuwd1q/" target="_blank">P1ST0L_Wh1PP3D</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_27" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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