As much as we want to say that our Queen J.K. Rowling can do no wrong, even the best of writers can leave behind mistakes and inconsistencies. Over the years since the Harry Potter movies and books came out, fans have taken to obsessing over the smallest of details about the Wizarding world, which has led to some.... confusion.
Harry Potter fans on Reddit were asked: "What are the biggest plot holes and errors in the series?" These are some of the best answers.
One thing that always bothered me was that Tom Riddle basically stumbled upon the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets, when the entrance was in the girls bathroom. Assuming that girls use to use this bathroom before Myrtle died, how did he get away with constantly going in there? Like okay maybe he only went late at night, but no one ever noticed anything weird going on in that bathroom? Just seems odd to me and seemed like something Rowling overlooked...
I don't quite understand the Trace with regards to underage Wizards performing magic
Well, as the trace is present upon an underage Wizard before he comes of age, hence the Ministry being able to detect underage magic immediately whenever the underage Wizard does it, I still don't quite understand the following situations.
(Is it traceable by location or by person?)
When Dobby did the Hover Charm (Year 2), the Ministry couldn't differentiate whether it was indeed Dobby or Harry Potter who performed it. Suggesting the Ministry detect some kind of magic at a particular address they have on record as being resident to an underage wizard?
However, when Arthur Weasley visited Harry Potter at Privet Drive (Year 4), he did a lot of magic, including magically dodging the teacups Mr. Dursley was throwing as him, and as well as performing an anti-Engorgment charm to return Dudley's tongue to a normal size. So how come did the Ministry differentiate who actually performed magic?
Moreover, at The Burrow, what happens if an underage Harry or Ron performs magic? Can't simply the elders say they performed magic instead?
Aside from fines, where does the money come from to support the substantial infrastructure of Britain's magical society like MOM, Hogwarts and the hospital? Especially a society which only produces 40-60 citizens per year (# of magical kids per year at Hogwarts less # of kids from non-magical families).
There is no excuse for them to be out-of-touch with the Muggle world.
Between the Minister of Magic working alongside the British Prime Minister, the Departments in the Ministry of Magic specifically designed to handle Muggle affairs, a freaking Muggle Studies class at Hogwarts, and so many Muggleborns/Half-Bloods integrated into wizard society, why do wizards act surprised or bewildered by things non-magic people do? More importantly, why dont they embrace some aspects of Muggle life (excluding the minority of racist purebloods).
Take Hogwarts school supplies for instance. Why would anyone want to use a heavy roll of parchment instead of just carrying around a couple notebooks? Or constantly dip their quill in ink every five minutes instead of using pens (or better yet pencils since you can erase them). Maybe give these kids a driving lesson or two so we dont have dumbos like second-year Harry and Ron flying enchanted vehicles without a license.
And why exactly is technology banned at Hogwarts? And how have students (Ravenclaws especially) not figured out how to override the magical restrictions? Last I checked these preventive spells were cast back when the most advanced thing was the radio, so theres no telling how it can disable microprocessors and satellite signals.
So in the Philosopher's Stone in order to steal the stone Quirrell must get Dumbledore out of the way. In order to do this he fakes an urgent owl from the Ministry. This is without any doubt the worst plan anyone has ever had and it is only made more ridiculous by the fact that it works. Quirrell sends the letter in the afternoon, when Harry tries to warn Dumbledore he has already left. However, Quirrell doesn't seem to go after the stone until evening. It is certainly after everyone has gone to bed when Harry, Ron and Hermione depart. How did Quirrell know Dumbledore would decide to fly to the Ministry instead of Apparating, using floo powder, or getting Fawkes to teleport him? All of which would have been much quicker and easier than flying. Ok, he would have had to go out of the Hogwarts ground to Apparate but that's still going to be a lot easier than flying to London (I know in the films he can apparate from inside Hogwarts but I don't know if there is a good book example of this). Not to mention it was an urgent owl, how many people think 'Oh an emergency, I must find the slowest method of magical transportation'. Dumbledore could have Apparated/floo powdered his way to the Ministry found out he wasn't actually needed and been back all inside about half an hour. Before Quirrell even got past Fluffy, making it unnecessary for three 11 year olds to brave death by poisoning, Voldemort and being clubbed by a giant chess piece. Does Dumbledore want Harry to go after Quirrell? Because, reminder, he almost dies.
It's made clear in the last book that Dumbledore knows Quirrell is after the Stone. He introduces Harry to the mirror of Erised, he makes it so there's a path to the stone. Including Devil's Snare which is conveniently mentioned in first year Herbology. Harry is with Hagrid when he picks up the 'top secret' package. What's that supposed to do except make Harry curious? And then of course he is conveniently out of the way at the critical moment. As is Snape. So Dumbledore wants Harry to confront Voldemort? Does he think Harry can finish Voldemort? Maybe. He hasn't come across Riddle's Diary yet so he may not have realised Voldemort has Horcruxes. Still Voldemort failed to die the last time so I don't know if I buy it. Best guess he's using his mirror trick to test Harry's intentions. To check Harry's not too attached to life to die when necessary. To get the stone you have to want it but not to use it. You have to value the greater good. Are there better ways to do this than to nearly kill an 11 year old and his friends. Yes. Also Harry pretty much burns Quirrell's face off and kills in a move that causes surprisingly few emotional scars.
The biggest one I've found, is after the trio escape from the wedding, and are attacked by two death eaters at the cafe in Tottenham Court Road:
Ron says "You're the boss. I've never done a memory charm before."
Hermione says "Nor have I. But I know the theory."
This is false, as she has already put a memory charm on her parents before.
There is a lot of unclarity regarding the day after Voldemort kills Lily and James. Voldemort shows up on the evening of the 31st. Kills Lily and James and dies himself. Harry is picked up by Hagrid reasonably swiftly and then not delivered until the next evening on Petunia and Vernon's doorstep.
Why does this take 24 hours? Why is Dumbledore choosing such a slow method of transportation when it isn't even 100% clear yet what has happened to Voldemort and his followers? It looks like Hagrid just shows up and they leave the kid on the doorstep and that Harry was never out of Hagrid's care. Was there no effort taken to examine Harry? To figure out what had happened and if he was in any way hurt? I understand that it is important to leave Harry with his aunt so he is protected but surely you are going to want to take a look at a kid that just survived one of the most dangerous spells in existence if only to make sure there is no lingering health effects that might reveal themselves while he is living with the muggles.
Harry had a broomstick lesson in his first week, and accidentally auditioned for the Quidditch Team.
At no point in the next seven years did he have another.
I know he hardly needed one, but not once in the remaining books do they mention another broomstick class for anyone.
In The Goblet of Fire, Harry went to the prefects' bathroom on Cedric's advice to solve the clue of the golden egg. While returning, he accidentally gets stuck in the trick step. Quoting from the book -
The golden egg fell through the tapestry at the bottom of thestaircase, burst open, and began wailing loudly in the corridor below.Harry pulled out his wand and struggled to touch the Marauders Map, to wipe it blank, but it was too far away to reach.
The map slips out of Harry's hands to the foot of the stairs, and Harry tries to reach it with his wand from under the invisibility cloak. Now, think about this, at this point, Harry had already completed the first task summoning his broomstick from inside the castle. Why the hell wouldn't he do an "Accio" and summon the map, instead of trying to reach it through his wand? He already knows the charm, and it is still too fresh in his memory for him to overlook it.
This qualifies as a very big plot hole as it resulted in Barty Crouch Jr. getting hold of the map, which he later uses to spot and kill his father, Barty Crouch Sr. If he didn't have the map, Barty Crouch Sr. would have met Dumbledore and told him all about his death eater son as the fake Mad-Eye. Harry wouldn't have been transported to the graveyard, and Voldemort wouldn't have regained power. Maybe Crouch could even disclose Voldemort and Wormtail's location, and they could have been caught.
Sigh! If only Harry had used the summoning charm...
This ones been floating round for a while. Why don't Fred and George ever notice Peter Pettigrew? Why doesn't Harry for that matter.
But the twins more so because they have had two and a half years to notice that there's an extra person sleeping with their brother. So what the hell?
Well I think there are a few things going on here. Firstly it might not be that clear on a map exactly how close people are. There's only a certain amount of room for names so things will probably get nudged out of place a bit. Therefore it might not be clear Ron and Peter are IN the same bed. Just the same room. And how interested would Fred and George really be in Ron's dorm mates. It's not like 'Peter Pettigrew' would necessarily ring any bells for them. Though Gryffindor House is fairly small so they might think it was a little odd, for more on that do see my post on Numbers. The other things is that Fred and George are using the map to get around the castle and avoid trouble (ie. teachers, Filch, Mrs Norris) they probably just aren't that interested in Ron's sleeping arrangements. Why would they be looking at Gryffindor Tower at all? After there first year (before Ron even starts) they are probably only using the map to check for trouble. They've probably pretty much learnt the secret passages. So it's open map, no Snape, do what you need to do, get out.
Lupin only notices because he is watching Harry, Ron and Hermione in case they sneak out. There are over a thousand people on the map. You aren't going to be looking at all of them.
The sheer amount of stupidly powerful spells, potions and magical items in the HP universe, that never get used to their full potential. Ranging from Felix Felicis (that allows you to literally achieve anything you want) over port keys (allowing you to kidnap people by having them accidentally touch an everyday item) and the Imperius curse (allowing you to have anybody else do anything you want from him) to the Vanishin Spell (vanishing animate or inanimate objects) or Baruffio's Brain Elixir (a potion increasing one's brain power). Some of these things are supposed to be rare, while others are used every day. Either way it begs the question, why they are not used more often in the wizarding world, especially when it comes to crucial plot points.
When Hagrid and Harry depart from the island on Harry's birthday they have this little exchange: "How did you get here?" Harry asked, looking around for another boat. "Flew," said Hagrid.
But how did he fly? It's not like he can do Voldemort's bat trick, he states in the Order of the Phoenix "I don' fly, meself. Well, look at the size o' me, I don' reckon there's a broomstick that'd hold me." He does say that he can ride Abraxian horses but Hogwarts doesn't have any and Thestrals would probably be too small.
I'm sure you've thought of the obvious solution here. Hagrid flew in on his motorcycle (the one Sirius gave him). When Hagrid flies that's generally how he does it. Harry doesn't hear anything to suggest the motorcycle was flying in but possibly the storm drowned it out. I agree this is almost certainly how Hagrid arrived, but what happened to the bike? Did it fly back on its own? Is it weirdly sentient like the Ford Anglia? Did someone summon it back? It's certainly not on the island when they leave.
Also they leave the Dursley's stranded on the remote island because they take the only boat.
"The troll is in the dungeons"
"All students please return to your house dormitiories"
LIKE WHAT THE HELL DUMBLEDORE. I MEAN I KNOW YOU PROBABLY KNEW THE TROLL WASN'T THERE BUT WHAT IF IT WAS? THAT'S WHERE THE SLYTHERIN AND HUFFLEPUFF DORMS ARE!!! THE DUNGEONS!!!
Say you are a wizard. You probably know at least 100 spells. While some require precise wand movements and concentration, we never get an indication in the books that spells consume anything or quickly drain you of energy.
Ergo, there is no limit to casting them.
Advanced wizards can even cast spells without reciting them and there are countless examples throughout the books of how certain spells can be cast almost instantly.
So, in any magic fight, why would you hold back?
Instead of, say, sending an Expelliarmus at Dolohov, why not do the following in roughly 30 seconds? (aimed at different opponents)
Protego - Expelliarmus - Expelliarmus - Expelliarmus - Confringo - Confringo - Stupefy - Stupefy - Incendio - Incendio - Protego
While it is established in The Goblet of Fire that the Unforgiveable Curses require concentration and power (Mad-Eye Moody says: "you could all get your wands out now and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I'd get so much as a nose bleed..."), this is not the case for most other spells.
Harry is exhausted after practicing Accio dozens/hundreds of times for his first trial in Goblet of Fire but thats to be expected. There seems to be no other proof in the books of casting having these kind of limits.
Of course, wizards like Dumbledore could still keep a powerful shield charm up and block the entire barrage, but in a room full of people it would make more sense to cast as many spells as quickly as possible so youre bound to hit someone.
Its actually rather similar to combat in real-life. On a battlefield, you dont lock yourself in a duel with one guy and send one bullet his way. No, you try to suppress the enemy or overwhelm them with superior force.
Now, dont get me wrong, I do believe that the magic fights and duels we see in the books and movies are superior to these chaotic barrages (although I would have liked to see a slightly higher frequency of casting spells). However, what Rowling should have done is establish her magic system early on and impose some more limits to it. Thats the big error here.
Ron being able to imitate Parseltongue. throughout the series a big deal is made of Harry being able to speak snake. Only the evilest of evil wizards are supposed to be able to speak the tongue and it is considered very dark magic in the wizard world. Later we find out that Harry automatically got the ability as he had part of Voldemort's soul inside him
And then in the last book, Ron somehow imitates the words Harry spoke to get the chamber of secrets to open. Just like that. No evil wizardly black magic stuff. Just imitating the sounds just like with any other language. Which makes me think, what was the big deal made out of Parseltongue again? If a teenager can mimic and learn the language by memorizing the sound (which is how every language is learnt orally) why cannot all the thousands of wizards who are Voldemort supporters and from Slytherin not learn and take pride in this language. Heck, all Slytherin households should have compulsory Parseltongue home schooling. It will also be a great secret language among themselves which the good guys cannot crack. No more need for the identifying tattoos (I know they also work as summoning aides for Voldy), speak in code right in the heart of the ministry and everyone would just think you are hissing at each other
So yeah, Rowling dropped the ball there.
House points in Harry Potter really don't make much sense. In the first 3 books (they're hardly mentioned after that) people are pissed off at Harry, Ron and Hermione for losing them 100's of house points. In real life, hardly any of the students would care about some arbitrary points system set up by teachers but would think Harry, Ron and Hermione are heroes for smuggling dragons or sneaking out at night. Why would a brat like Malfroy care if he got house points??
To me, it's that everyone always approaches situations where they meet someone else in good faith, assuming that person is who they say they are. Transfiguration and Polyjuice Potion are used repeatedly throughout the series to create convincing disguises, and yet people still don't reach the obvious conclusions when their best friends or significant others are acting strange.
It's always just "Hey what's gotten into you today?" not "Uh, are you really who you say you are or are you using one of the many widely known ways of taking on the appearance of another person?"
I realize that things like Polyjuice and Transfiguration are fairly complex potions/spells, but it seems like most of the wizards we meet are at least aware of them, and they're used so frequently throughout the series that people should at least approach situations with more skepticism than we see.
The killing curse kills you in a flash of green light and you crumple on the spot. You are definitely not thrown like a rag doll from the Astronomy tower. Unless you are Dumbledore.
Snakes. Dont. Have. Ears. Honestly, snakes have very poor hearing. Yes, they can hear sounds but not the sounds an eleven year old boy can make with his voice. Snakes are limited to a 80Hz to 600Hz range. Thats like the sounds you hear coming from one of those cars with over large speakers and when you have your windows rolled up.
This pretty much makes silly of the whole Parlseltongue business. Hissing is something snakes do but snakes cant hear the hissing of other snakes. Snakes might be charmed by low notes on a cello but certainly not an oboe!
A Secret Keeper is basically somebody who becomes the living embodiment of a secret. One of the biggest involvements of Secret Keepers in the story is in the murder of James and Lily Potter. Voldemort was unable to find the two of them because they had cast the Fidelus Charm and their location was protected. They chose to make Peter Pettigrew their Secret Keeper and were later betrayed by Pettigrew who ratted (lol) them out to Voldemort leading to James and Lily being killed.
Several questions here.
Why could James and Lily not have made one of themselves the Secret Keepers? Later on in the books we find that Bill (Weasley) was made a Secret Keeper for Shell Cottage and Arthur was made a Secret Keeper for Aunt Muriels place. So, why couldnt James or Lily have been their own Secret Keepers?
Also, if for some reason they could not be their own Secret Keepers, why did they choose Peter with such crucial information? Why not Sirius or Remus? I would say that James was definitely closer to Sirius than he was to Peter, right? The explanation given was that everybody would suspect Sirius to be their Secret Keeper and target him and torture the information out of him. However, in Pottermores Book 3, Rowling wrote that, the secret cannot be forced, bewitched or tortured out of a Secret Keeper who does not wish to give up their secret; it must be given voluntarily.
If this is correct, why would they pick Peter and not Sirius or Remus who, I imagine, they trusted more than Peter even if he was a close friend. It would have been the safest with Sirius. Or if not with someone in their friend group, why not a powerful and trusted witch like Minerva or someone like that?
Another issue I have with is this, if Dumbledore had narrowed down the two boys in the prophecy to Harry and Neville, why didnt he just have both their parents hidden away and make himself their Secret Keeper? I assume that would have kicked Voldemorts plans right in the bucket, no? NO?!
James and Lilys deaths are really what kicks this entire story off. Its a little odd to have this weird dichotomy present in the events surrounding their deaths.
I think this might be too tiny a detail to be noticed, but then I read the books a little too enthusiastically.
In 'Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets', chapter 9 (page 176), Percy Weasley discovers Harry, Ron and Hermione near Moaning Myrtle's Bathroom. He tries to tell them off for sneaking in the middle of the night and how this is affecting Ginny. Ron retorts by saying that Percy was afraid this might ruin his (Percy's) chances of being the Head Boy.
Percy takes away five points from Gryffindor.
In 'Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix', chapter 28 (page 798), the group of Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ernie Macmillan (Hufflepuff) (and possibly others, they were on their way back from Herbology) were 'discussing' Umbridge and the removal of Dumbledore. Draco Malfoy prevents Hermione from completing a sentence that foul-mouths Umbridge. Draco threatens to take away point from Gryffindor.
Ernie: "Its only teachers that can dock points from Houses, Malfoy"
(The power to dock points was given to the members of the Inquisitorial Squad, Malfoy did not do it as a Prefect).
So, here's a small glitch in the story-line that otherwise is quite flawless!
In Order of Phoenix, Hermione pretty much blackmails Rita Skeeter into publishing Harry's account of Voldemort's return in the Quibbler so that the world knows his story. It's a great little part that gets the news out and pisses off Umbridge, but it doesn't really add a lot except Harry gets banned from stuff and sorta gets him in a fight with Cho Chang (he leaves their date for the interview).
What bugged me was why didn't they continue to use that?! Why didn't they have Rita writing articles on Umbridge? Imagine the Quibbler publishing stories of how a student lost points for "being a mudblood" (Inquisitorial Squad Draco to Hermione) or that punishing a student meant carving "I must not tell lies" into his hand. You could argue that Harry's ban meant he couldn't meet her for interviews, but Rita could turn into a beetle. Hermione could have easily put her in her bag and took her into school. She could exclusive interviews with Dumbledore's Army.
The only flaw in the plan would be Draco and his gang being aware of her beetle form, which is a big flaw admittedly. But it's more the fact that Harry doesn't use Rita more that bugs me so much.
I always wanted to know why Hermione didn't just use the Time Turner to also take more naps so she wasn't so strung out.
The only one that really bugged me is the issue of child magic.
Harry, Voldemort, Snape, and Lily (possibly others?) are all performing magic feats without their wands, and non-verbally at that. Then they go to school, and suddenly they turn all crippled without their wands.
Clearly non-verbal magic is known, understood, and even taught to students. Yet even the most powerful wizards use verbal magic most of the time.
The non-wand magic seems to something of a mystery though. Id expect someone like Dumbledore to be deeply fascinated by this and to have spent years researching it.
Some of this material has been edited for clarity.
Books are life. Recently studies have been published that reading for fun, reading for knowledge, just interest in reading in general is down, and that is a tragedy.
We've become too obsessed with our binge watching and ADHD mindset that we've lost focus on one of life's greatest joys... literature.
There are some stories and books that should be a mandatory read for life. There should be age benchmarks that require knowledge of certain books in order to progress. I know, how "1984" of me. ;)
Redditor u/bugtanks33d wanted to hear about what literature we should all be familiar with sooner than later by asking:
What's a book everyone should read at least once in their lives?
One of my favorite books is "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe." It was a key element in unlocking what I could see with my imagination. No adolescent should go beyond sixth grade without knowing it. What else?
"ANNOUNCEMENT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE READING THIS THREAD:"
"MANY OF THE BOOKS MENTIONED HERE ARE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AND IN AUDIO BOOK FORM. GO THROUGH YOUTUBE/RANDOMHOUSE/AUDIBLE/OVERDRIVE FOR ALL THE CLASSICAL GOODNESS YOU WANT."
"It almost totally eliminates the financial/time commitment that many will cite for not picking them up. I listen to books on double speed all the damn time. I am working my way through "A Tale of Two Cities" now."
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"Man's search for meaning - Viktor Frankl."
"The Phantom Tollbooth."
"Milo: "Many of the things I'm supposed to know seem so useless that I can't see the purpose of learning them at all."
"Princess of Sweet Rhyme: "...what you learn today, for no reason at all, will help you discover the wonderful secrets of tomorrow."
"Johnny's Got His Gun. It's so intense, but it's so good. Metallica's song One is based off this book. Guy has his arms and legs blown off, goes blind and deaf, and is left to live like that. I only read it once, but it's forever engrained into my memory. It hits you like a freight train."
"Surprised I haven't seen it here already so I'll add it... The Brother's Karamazov by Dostoyevsky. In Slaughterhouse 5 Vonnegut said it could teach everything that we needed to know about life, except that wasn't enough anymore."
"If the only thing that book did was make you marvel at how people centuries and oceans removed from you in time and place, could experience the exact same emotions about life as you did, it would be worth the read. There's so much more to it, but Dostoyevsky had such a knack for digging deep into universal human experience. And it's just a hell of a good story too."
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"Speaking as somebody who isn't religious, the literary value of the Bible (and the Hebrew Bible) is severely underrated."
I took a class on it in college, with a prof who'd once allegedly gotten into a bar fight over Beowulf. We would sometimes spend half a class discussing a single verse or two because there's so much stuff going on under the hood."
I know so many of those. And sadly, I'm already behind in my studies. I love books and I'm always on the path to find more to consume. Let me ready my already lengthy list.
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"All Quiet on the Western Front. Everyone should have to reckon with the reality of what war actually means."
"Night, by Elie Wiezel. It is absolutely heartwrecking , and I hated every moment of reading it, which is exactly the effect it is supposed to have."
"Came here looking for this one. I had to read it back in high school and it blew me away how moved I was by it. Stories like his need to be remembered for all time, no matter how hard it is to get through (emotionally-speaking; it's actually quite an easy and short read). I'm so grateful that my English teacher assigned it."
"The Westing Game."
"A Librarian here, such a terrific book. I have gotten so many kids to read it by hooking them with the fact that the reader can play the game and has all of the clues. And good luck as it is fiendishly clever."
All the Good Crazy
"The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas. Such a great book."
"Oh my god yes. I love this book for being the sex, drugs and rock and roll of the classics world. It is lengthy but has revenge, treasure, plots and schemes and drugs. There is nothing stuffy about this classic."
"The Giver- that book made my 9-10 year old mind really think about what was important in society. It was the first time the idea of "good" things having a negative consequence was presented to me. I think what makes it work is that we are learning how this whole society really works along side a character who has lived in it his whole life."
"As the facade of the utopian society begins to fall away to show devastating consequences of the "perfect life and society" the reader not only feels their shock but the main character's shock. This was a book I read in school 4 times- once in 5th grade and once in 10th for English and then in both high school and college sociology classes. This book written for 9-13 year olds made for great discussions."
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"The Grapes of Wrath and/or Of Mice and Men. Both are heartbreaking, but not for the sake of being heartbreaking - instead they provide a glimpse of how freaking hard life can be, but also how beautiful it can be."
That is a lot of good advice. And a lot of great storytelling and advice giving. Did anyone miss anything that should be there? And make sure you read anything by Harlan Coben, he's a fav.
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It's always our high school dreams, as shown by every high school teen movie ever, to marry the popular girl or the jock. But high school is high school for a reason; life does not really last outside of the walls of high school in the way it did within.
Jocks tend to fall off their athletic bandwagons. The popular girls have a hell of a time making their way in the working world when their popularity means nothing. People's lives sometimes completely freeze in place.
Or sometimes those people really do completely change, and live their lives for the better.
Here were some of those answers.
"My mom was the elite Atlanta debutante and lived a very cushy life at a budding Miami country club. Beautiful and very popular at the private school. My dad grew up on a farm in Virginia. They weren't poor but they were definitely not refined."
"Eventually my father's family made it down to Miami after selling the farm. He became the lifeguard at the country club pool where my mom spent days lounging about."
"My parents say they saw each other and that was it. The scandal was great - the debutante and the lowly lifeguard...."
"They just celebrated 54 years of marriage. My 'lowly' lifeguard father made quite the life for my mom regardless of what all those elite twats said was going to happen."
"She gladly left the country club life for him and they are still so utterly in love it's crazy. He carries a photo of her at the pool where they met. The only references she makes to being 'that girl' are that they proved everyone wrong."
"They are beautiful and I love their story."-wadinglimpkin
Just Because He's Hot Don't Mean He Can't Be Smart Too
"Not me but my mom married my dad who who was hot sh*t. They met in college when he was an absolute hellion."
"But since then he became a doctor, still a really fun dude. He's also a licensed contractor so when he was bored he built a 6000 square foot barn in our backyard over 10 years completely on his own."
"Absolutely stand up dude."-GravityMyGuy
"I married the cool girl. Super athletic, everyone was her friend. We started dating in high school."
"She's kept up everything people loved about her. Nowadays she isn't as interested in other people, and focuses on herself, her career, us and our future."
"We're planning to buy a house and have kids soon. I'm the breadwinner today but I'm not so sure if that'll be true in a few years lol"-WakeAndVape
See, not all the cool kids go on to have horrible, boring lives after. Sometimes the cool kids were cool because they deserved it.
"As it turned out, I married one of the mean girls, didn't go to her school, didn't find out she was considered that until after the divorce. That's how it turned out."
"Then I dated one of the cool chicks. Did go to her school, did know she was considered that. And she was the most amazing human being I've ever known. That one didn't work out either."
"Now I'm just retired from relationships for a bit, strike 3 would kill me right now."
"This was very therapeutic. I have friends and family that are awesome. Hopefully, I'll have more Someday. For now it's me and my kids I'm focusing on."-read110
A Tale Of Strength (On The Outside)
"My mom was the cool girl all through high school, undergrad, grad school. But life didn't go that well. For most of her life, she had to be caring for someone in the family who was ill, and that took a huge toll on her."
"First it was her dad, then it was me (I had childhood illnesses), then her in-laws in quick succession, then her dad again, and finally she had to nurse my dad until he passed away from a terminal illness."
"She was meant to be social and have fun, and instead she was forced to be around sickness and sadness for her best years."
"But she is a very happy and mentally strong person in general who made the best of things. She hosted a lot of people and events."
"My house growing up was full of people visiting and having fun. She's very charming and easy to talk to, and has a lot of fans all the time."
"Though, my siblings and I find her social side rather annoying. She isn't like that with us, and she tells us her charming side is just an act, and the real her is the lady who is constantly critical of us 'for our own good.'"
"She likes having groupies hanging around, people who are happy to take her help and be grateful to her. She has very few friends who could be considered her equals."
"She also expects a lot from other people and is constantly disappointed. She wants to be the center of everything. She doesn't know to be a guest at anything, she somehow ends up running every event she's invited to."
"She sincerely believes she's helping, but it's just disrespectful sometimes and when we tell her that, she doesn't get it."
"She likes to dominate everything and make decisions for everyone. We joke that if the prime minister was her friend, she'd somehow end up running the country for him."-sensitiveinfomax
Sometimes, Chase The Waterfalls
"My mum was the nerdy girl who got all the As and had zero social skills, and somehow managed to start dating my dad who was the popular, good-looking guy who everyone thought would peak in high school."
"She was actually advised by her family and friends that he wouldn't give her the future she was hoping for. They got married at 19, had me when they were 20, and while they were pretty broke the first few years of my life, he paid for my mum to attend law school, started his own business and 25 years later with 3 kids, they're still so in love and have a pretty cushy life."
"My dad actually met one of the loud voices who told my mum she was making a big mistake marrying him, and she had said how she always knew he would turn out well, which he found hilarious."-samknowsbest8
"Found out recently (30 M) that my dad was extremely popular in highschool from my aunt. I had no idea he was an all-star football player with lots of college offers and was prom and homecoming king."
"Never talks about it, but he's doing well. 2 kids, a dog, and a loving wife, imo he's still winning."-ZoatDGoat
And what counts as successful in high school doesn't necessarily count toward success in later life.
What Kind Of Woman?
"My brother was one of the hottest guys in high school and went on to be a model. He's still cool and hot to many but now he's a bit fat."
"He's my brother so ewww on the hot part in my opinion. But women still swoon and he's so obnoxious. Think Matt Dillon, etc…. Era."
"He got dumped by his model 17 years younger wife for a 26 year old. He has impossible standards and it's making him miserable. He's into these flashy shallow women. Overall he's doing really well and his business is thriving."-RunRevolutionary9019
Always Take The Risk
"I sat next to the popular guy every day pretty much for five years and I was so afraid of speaking to him. I'd watched him and his friends picking each other up and shoving the chosen one into lockers, or chasing each other round into a pile on and throwing their shoes at each other. Typical school sh*t."
"They were rowdy and loud and intimidating, but he was the quiet yet seriously funny one and I crushed on him HARD for years. He remembers me as the little blonde girl who didn't speak to anyone (because I was so anxious all the time)."
"He also protected his sister from some a**holes every break time and she'd come to find him for safety from bullies."
"Should have spoken to him sooner when school finished, because we have the same music taste and we get on well enough now at 26 that we have a 6 month old daughter together, my daughter from a previous relationship and we just got engaged last weekend. I adore him, he's handsome, charming and funny and I would do anything for this man as he would for me."-hospital-flowers
High School Never Ends
"I married the Student Council President/ Prom King. He jokes that he peaked in high school. Graduated 20 years ago. He dropped out of three colleges and hasn't found a career path he is passionate about."
"He hates his job, but he's actually really good at it. He's kind of trapped in it because it would be incredibly difficult for him to find a new job without a degree."
"He's a good husband. He's an amazing father. He struggles with anxiety and some depression. A lot of self-doubt. He's incredibly social and the pandemic hit hard."
"He's put on weight and hates his body. He admits that he worries about what other people think of him and wants people to like him."
"He's introspective and wants to be a better person, but anxiety gets in the way sometimes. He married a theater nerd lol, but we didn't meet until college. I felt a little intimidated by his popular past, but he's very down-to-earth."-madestories
We really want our lives to fit neatly into these stereotypes, but at the end of the day, we are all just people repeating a cycle of wanting more for ourselves over and over again. We can't shove that into a stereotype.
Even the student council president, the prom king, the homecoming queen, and the jocks can't run away and hide in a single identity forever. Life makes you into a more rounded person whether you want to be one or not.
Movies' strong focus on creating drama through conflict inevitably has lead to countless on screen deaths.
Some of those movie deaths occur to minor characters we don't care much about (enter Wilhelm Scream). Nonetheless, they can still pack a punch if the manner of the death was gruesome or sad enough.
On the other side of the coin, a death doesn't have to be spectacular to create drama if it happens to a character we've grown to love throughout the film.
And sometimes, a beloved character faces a gruesome end. That's the double whammy.
Redditor Boston_Strong_CQB241 asked:
"Out of all the deaths you seen in movies, which one really stands out to you as the worst?"
Many Redditors recalled the deaths that drew their intensity from the connection they'd felt with the character who did the dying.
And, yes, sometimes the manner of death only heaped on the drama.
"The soldier in Saving Private Ryan that had the knife slowly plunged into his chest after a hand to hand fight and he was begging the other soldier to stop. Intense."
That Etched Wooden Beam
"The old man (Brooks) who hangs himself from The Shawshank Redemption."
" 'Get busy living or get busy dyin.' "
A Very Different Boxing Film
"Hilary Swank in Million Dollar Baby. Almost becoming World Champion, then paralyzed, her family only caring about the money she won from boxing, then having her limbs chopped off because of bed sores that got infected."
"All this just to be put down as a act of kindness like the story she foretold of her dog she grew up with. I will never watch that movie again."
Stoic Until She Wasn't
"Vesper Lynd drowning in 'Casino Royale.' That moment when she goes serene and calm, to a panicky and frenzied last gasp for air.... that really bothered me."
Others were spooked by the pure violence of some onscreen deaths. They could barely watch the gruesome moments when they erupted.
But now they can't forget them.
Slam, Slam, Slam
"That f**king wine bottle scene in Pan's Labyrinth. The casual brutality is so horribly realistic." -- Darth_Mufasa
"My jaw dropped the first time I saw it and it still haunts me. In fact, that movie gave me nightmares for two weeks" -- TheSilverCrystal
"The curb stomp." -- AUTheatreNerd
"American History X. The curb stomp. It haunts me." -- DigitFisher
"Ryan Reynolds getting his insides eaten out by an Alien in the horror movie Life. It still traumatized me."
And some people recalled the deaths they witnessed as children movie-watchers. All grown up now, they still can't unsee those old images.
"That shoe from Who Framed Roger Rabbit, it was so happy and friendly and then it gets slowly dipped to death. The smoke and its cries of pain are burned into my mind 25+ years later."
"Artax in the swamp of sorrows. Made me cry so much as kid, Atreyo was so hopeless." -- kirby60
"Don't you dare do this to me right now" -- OmgOgan
Multiple Movies' Worth of Sadness
"Stoick from How to Train Your Dragon 2, I still cry every time I even think about it, and the flashbacks in the third movie just break me, great trilogy. Full of emotion and great everything, best Dreamworks movies, in my opinion"
The worst part is that this is only a small handful of the tragic movie moments that are out there. And we have so many unknown future deaths we'll see too.
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It might feel like a challenge to come back at someone who has just insulted you, but it's easier than you think.
What's the most memorable comeback you've heard in your life?
No one knows you like your family, hence why they're usually the one who know the best way to eviscerate you using only their words. Anyone with an older brother and/or sister knows what's going on with these comebacks.
She Can Stay
"My son and his newlywed wife were poor college students living out of state. When I went to visit them I took them to the grocery store and let them fill up a couple of grocery carts that I paid for. As we were leaving the store I said, "Now, when your kids are poor married college students trying to get by, don't forget this". My new daughter-in-law piped up and said, "Oh we won't forget. We're going to tell them to go get grandpa!" Haa haaa haaa...I love that gal."
Got That Sacred "Dad Laugh"
"I don't care if it's self-congratulatory, I'm proud of this one:
"Having dinner with my dad and older sister. I got straight As in school or something, and she's doing the older sibling thing."
"Sister: You may have gotten the book smarts in this family, but *I* got the street smarts."
"Me: The corner doesn't count."
"Dad: *chokes whiles laughing*"
Oh, Good Lord...
"My uncle to my husband. "When are you guys having a kid?"
"My husband. "Please don't ask me about my sex life with your niece"
Like, in public. Where people are. Other people. People you don't know, who might just be going about their day-to-day business, and they just so happen to hear someone being roasted alive?
What's Keeping You Alive, Grandpa?
"Was standing behind these two older adults and this teen girl at the gas station last year. She was on her phone and the guy snapped at her for "not knowing how to live without technology" and without looking up she went "don't you have a pacemaker?".
When The Store Hates You...
"Someone yelled out in a Walmart , "I'm not ashamed of who I am".
"Another voice echoed back, "that's your parents job"
You Would Really Walk Up To Someone You Don't Know And Say This?
"Young pregnant co-worker had a stranger stare disapproving at her in a restaurant, then walk up and say "pregnancy isn't very becoming on you." She replied, "well, being a nosey rude bi*ch isn't becoming on you, but here we are."
And then there's these clapbacks. Unplanned, zero preparation, and with little prior knowledge, there needs to be a call placed to some local medical center with how much damage was done with these comebacks.
If You Pantsed It, Fix It
"My friend got pantsed, underwear and all at a party. Instead of pulling his underwear and pants up, immediately, he just kept going about his business, while hanging dong. Those of us that knew him already thought it was hilarious. The people at the party that didn't know him, looked really uncomfortable due to this dude having his pants and underwear around his ankles, with his wiener hanging freely. Our friend/the host said "dude, why don't you pull your pants up?" Pantsed guy said "I didn't pull them down." Then took his turn in beer pong. The host then found the guy that did pull them down and made him pull our friend's pants back up."
Definitely Seems Like You Got Tricked Here
"When I was working as a bartender one Halloween, I came dressed as an old Western style bartender (complete with mustache and accent). We had the evening split up into a little costume party for kids and families in the earlier hours, and then an adults only costume piss up later on."
"One of the regulars laughed at my costume and said I looked stupid, so I told him"
"You should probably come back after the kids have gone because you've come dressed as a c-nt".
"He didn't talk to me for weeks after that. It was blissful."
That's A Mom Burn! Those Don't Heal!
"I asked my mum out of curiosity what she would do if she found a used condom in my brother's room."
"Her response: "I would remind him that you can't get HIV from your own hand"
"For context, I live in South Africa where HIV is very common"
If you have some ice nearby it might be a good idea to go and grab some.
These burns spread.
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