People Reveal The Most Important Things To Ask Before Renting
A popular financial magazine recently published an article claiming that by age 35, people should have twice their yearly salary saved. People responded ... preeeeeeeeeeetty much how you probably just did. The internet collectively scoffed and pointed out that the financial world isn't what it used to be. With student loans, inflation and insecure career prospects, our goals aren't the same as they used to be. Things like owning a home, having years worth of money in savings, etc. just aren't as easily achieved anymore.
That means more and more people are renting as opposed to purchasing. With all of these people renting for longer, it's important to know what to look for in a rental. One Reddit user asked:
What are the most important things to ask/check when viewing a new property to rent?
We saw answers from property experts, people with horror stories, pizza lovers and at least one person who maybe has never heard of sunglasses... click ahead to read more!
Go to the property at night and see what the noise is like.
I used to have a neighbor that bought a set of 4-foot tall neighborhood-thumper speakers and decided to start blasting Skynyrd at 12:30 in the middle of the damn night on a weeknight in an apartment building with walls that might as well have been made of cardboard. Like, sh!t hanging on my walls would rattle, and I had stuff falling off of shelves.
I went over and knocked on his door and asked him to turn it down because I had to work the next morning and he told me to go f*** myself because it was his apartment and I couldn't tell him not to.
For the next two weeks or so, he'd fire the speakers up at random times and play one of the same three country songs on repeat for an hour or so before shutting them down.
I'd call the cops and if they'd show up they'd just tell him to knock it off, and he'd turn it down, then half an hour later, he'd pump it again, and the cops had "better things to do" than to come deal with him all the time.
So I watched and figured out his work schedule, then, on a night before he had to work at 6am, I fired up my surround sound at maximum volume blaring Marylyn Manson at midnight, and left that running for about 45 minutes.
I think he got the message because it was never a problem again.
I work for an apartment property investment company. A new thing we implemented when looking at properties to buy is we see if we can order pizza to that location. If they won't deliver there, it's not a good area.
We made the mistake of a corner lot two blocks from downtown with a stop sign. This a somewhat country town, lots of lifted trucks and ridiculous exhaust pipes. Apparently this is where you can peel out and accelerate to 70 mph to the next stop sign. I'm somewhat used to it now but sheesh that sh!t is obnoxious.
I always check if the shower is getting hot and has proper flow. I'll never forget living in my first student flat in a cold winter where the shower wouldn't get hot. That was beyond fucking annoying.
Also check for mold.
No one seemed to mention this... but as a kid who grew up in a roach infested apartment in a bad area. The first thing I do when looking at a place is go into the cabinets and crevices and check for droppings. Yes roaches leave tons of s***, even if the owner tries to clean it up, if there are bugs you'll eventually find some droppings. As someone who went through that once, forget about noise and water pressure, this is the most important thing to check for.
No Internet? No Lease.
What your Internet options are.
And I mean really check. Call the ISP, give the full address, maybe even start filling a request and cancel it in the middle just to see if they can reach your area. A month ago I moved into an apartment that seemed fine. I was waiting a month before getting internet just to make sure I could afford it.
The modem gets mailed to me. It was then that I discovered there were no phone jacks in my apartment... except for one, all the way in my bedroom, that was heavily painted over and looked like it was intentionally concealed. Anyways, it didn't work and AT&T had to send a technician. Of course the phone line was shot, and he had to drill a hole in the wall to get a new line through.
But lo and behold, the guy who sold me the service over the phone lied to me about qualifying for service at my address. It's out of range, as the technician tells me. This is all despite the fact that I live in a decently sized populous city and all. The guy on the phone also lied about the speed, as he assured me this speed was good for gaming and streaming, but the technician told me that the speed could only handle light browsing and no streaming.
"Built To Code"
If your realtor says "built to code", that means they made the building as crappy as legally possible.
Can You Hear Me Now?
Check the signal on your phone.
Forgot about that with the house we bought 3 years ago. I can maybe get 1 bar if I stand in the doorway of the master bathroom. Ended up getting a microcell booster because we'd like to be able to call 911 in a real emergency. Which will hopefully not happen during a power outage. The house was built with a landline connection, but no telecom companies are servicing landlines anymore. They're only doing internet phones, which will not work during a power outage.
This is in a suburb of Dallas. We're 1.5 miles west from the nearest cell tower, which is oriented North-South. Our subdivision is on a peninsula in a lake.
We really like this house. It's as old as we are, and will need work in the coming years but, it was a great fit for us from the first walkthrough.
Know Your Landlord!
And know how much notice the landlord has to give before showing up for whatever reason. Ideally, you want an expressed term of time. I had a lease that stated "reasonable" notice and the law only required the same. As a result, my landlord thought four hours notice was reasonable when I wouldn't even get the message of my phone until much later. I thought 24 hours was reasonable.
Another landlord would give... 20 minutes notice? He'd show up to "check the fire alarm," while I or my roommate was in the shower. Happened more than once. Finally, I googled the law and my state requires 24 hour notice. He and his wife were just banking on the idea that we were all dumb kids. I emailed him the law. When I moved out, he screamed at me that I was not a lawyer and can't quote law to him (I was mentioning the fact that they had built a makeshift locked gate on the fire escape - illegal). He also called me despicable. Get that notice in writing. You can ask for changes to leases before you sign.
If you're in an apartment complex, check that there aren't a million petty signs up in the foyer telling you what you can't do. A few signs about legitimate issues is to be expected, but if you're finding a bunch of notices about things like a bag of trash outside the door for an hour, kids laughing too loud, parking etc. it's a giveaway that your neighbors are gonna be a problem.
I'm a paramedic and have been to an untold number of communities ranging from super high-end to complete nightmares. Regardless of the price range of where you are considering go look at the dumpsters. Nothing will tell you more about the community than how the residents treat the dumpster areas. If you are a jerk that has no regard for other people and is okay just slinging your excrement nonchalantly a community of decent people is not for you.
What utilities are included in the rent, not just this but asking what those total costs are.
On average what is the gas, water and electric bill. I rented a place where it wasn't included (which is fine) and the electric bill was insanely high. There was no insulation in walls to keep heat in so furnace was running constantly. I wish I'd asked the costs.
*Another User Responded: *
The first apartment I ever got was with my sister. We lived in a decent two bedroom and our electric bill was crazy high. I just thought it cost that much. Then she moved for a job, I got a smaller one bedroom apartment, and I thought my first electric bill was a mistake. We had been paying about $300/month and my first bill in my new apartment was $25. Well, no, it wasn't a mistake. The old apartment was basically just walls, no insulation at all, and in Louisiana this means the A/C was trying to cool not just the apartment but the whole neighborhood.
Bed bugs. I moved into an apartment, and when a neighbor moved, I got their bed bugs. It's been hellish, costly, and I just moved back into my apartment last week from staying at my parents for a month. Bought a new bed, and guess what? I might still have them. I don't know. It's like A Scanner Darkly, I'm terrified of itching now.
Here's the rage inducing kicker. I told my apartment manager about the issue, in hopes that they would spray or heat treat for them- since it wasn't me that brought them in. Nope. It's on me. Oh, and if I don't get it treated, they will charge me the cost of getting the place treated and possibly take me to court.
You do not ever want to risk getting bed bugs. It has cost me not only thousands of tangible dollars, but also forced me to get rid of just about every single article of clothing I own, many other possessions (bed, couch, etc), and more than a month of my life.
All because my apartment manager was too cheap to properly treat the units.
(Don't) Go West
Avoid living west of your work if you drive there. Sun in eyes both ways everyday sucks.
Count the outlets. Two per room aren't enough! Also, the number of light fixtures. For some reason, where I live most of the apartments do not have light fixtures in the living room and bedroom areas, so if you forget to buy lamps you have to spend the first night in the dark.
Who are all of the previous tenants? How did they die? How long did they live after moving into this property? Was the property built on sacred land?
Horror movies have totally prepped me for this.
As an asthmatic currently having a s*** time thanks to this, have a good look at the ceiling corners in your bathroom. Mold might just be orange discoloration, or straight up black fuzzies.
Moving in June, thank Pete.
If you are a nonsmoker you're going to want to be sure your apartment has either never had a smoker in it or has been properly cleaned since an indoors smoker lived there. If a long-term resident also smoked indoors, the smell will have permeated in to the walls, carpet, and even the cabinets depending on how long they lived there and how heavy they smoked. Make sure the carpets have been professionally cleaned and open cabinets and closets and sniff for smoke smells. If you smell them, minor cases of bad smoke smells can be fixed with a new coat of paint and steam cleaning the carpet.
Curtains Not Included
I signed for a beautiful condo that had stainless steel everything, very modern, the works. This included floor-to-ceiling windows. Awesome, right? Wrong. This place didn't have curtains included. I'm talking at least 12 ft windows, sun in my eyes, and visible from the bed. The issues here:
1. There are no curtain rods long enough for the width of the windows
2. There are no curtains long enough for the height of the windows
3. Curtains are !@#$ing expensive when you have to have them custom made, including the damn rod. 4. The building could have not allowed modifications to the walls, which means you can't put up curtains (rare, but happens).
Remember: Just because you see it during the open house/showing, doesn't mean it'll be there when you move in.
Should Be Spotless
As a land lord let me give you this piece of advice when you are looking at apartments. Look. Take a look at every thing from the moment you arrive to the moment you leave. Is the lawn cut? Is the building landscaped? Is the entry way and hall ways clean. Same goes for the apartment, if it's empty it should be spotless. Try every faucet, flush every toilet, make sure there aren't any drips. Are the door knobs loose? Are any of the windows crack/broken. All of these things are indications on how your apartment will be maintained. If the place looks like shit on the outside chances are your LL isn't going to be rushing over to you place to fix a leaky faucet. If an apartment is empty when you view it, it should be perfect and if there is something wrong ask the LL and if they don't say we'll fix it immediately move along
Society is an odd conundrum when you attempt to wrap your head around it. This phenomena typically occurs whenever you witness a new trend or share experience and everyone seems to go along with it. Only much later, when you think about it with a bit of critical thinking, do you notice something might be off.
Going against society can be strained, difficult, like pulling back a sticker that's been on way too long, however sometimes it's necessary to get rid of what we probably shouldn't be so welcoming of.
How Do You Think You're Reading This Now?<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTUzMjQwMS9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTYzMjQ5NjEzNH0.SfIQtzxQcyZ2CqKrGk9oYZ4dH0cJ8CLDdnmD0K9bjzY/img.gif?width=980" id="a2c23" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="7fd9243855a105b3716f0824807b33c2" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="250" data-height="183" />the simpsons nerd GIFGiphy<p>Making fun of someone's intellectual/creative curiosity, cfr. the use of nerd or geek in the negative</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkhpu0j?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">atTheRealMrKuntz</a></p><p>World wouldn't be as advanced as it is without the geeks and nerds, so keep it up, I'm proud.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkil9qi?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">deadshotelite22</a></p>
Keep Your Kids Offline Until They Know<p>Posting dozens or hundreds of pics of your kids online and social media. That is so violative of their privacy and rights to grow up without the entire world creeping in.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkh9t7g?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">llcucf80</a></p><p>When I was younger (11/12) my dad took a picture of me at the beach that I found really unflattering and embarrassing and revealing. I asked as he laughed at my appearance if he wouldn't post it and he said sure.</p>
Forever In A State Of Slight Inebriation<p>Excessive drinking/constantly drunk/high</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkhcq86?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">CharlieMBTA</a></p><p>Agreed. It's quite literally one of the most unhealthy things I know of that is not only socially acceptable, but encouraged. Leads to countless health conditions, cancers, heart disease, GERD, Depression, just a ton of sh-t (that is all now super common in society) and yet if you don't partake, you're somehow no fun.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkhidr2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">[deleted]</a></p>
Hypocritical Values<p>Being proud if your son got laid or confessed to having an S/O but judging your daughter if she did the same exact thing</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkhaoei?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">lens_princess</a></p><p>This. So many tales of fathers fist-bumping their sons for soliciting BJs under the bleachers (metaphorically speaking) yet threatening to kill any boy their daughter brings home (100% serious). Mothers slut-shame their daughters too, definitely, and they can be even worse sometimes. But it just feels - it might not be true, but it <em>feels</em> like - boys are not criticized or judged <em>nearly</em> as much for being sexually active teenagers.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkhg06u?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">Hip_Hazard</a></p>
Abuse Is Abuse. Doesn't Matter Who It's Against.<p>Women being violent to men. A lot of the time that gets brushed aside and laughed off.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkhe9sr?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">StarryNovaSaiyan</a></p><p>When a woman slapping or punching a man is funny but the reverse makes him a criminal.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkhvp5i?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">Totaler166</a></p>
Prancing Around On Stage<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTUzMjM0Mi9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY2NDcxMTA3Mn0.8ji0uL_cYjuCwYlRLohbq4OpcFXxx7-w_Xx9emwNwas/img.gif?width=980" id="0cec6" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="8e1de8152bf089e1145f6278543c77f5" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="480" data-height="362" />speaking out season 4 GIFGiphy<p>Pageant shows for little girls. Looking at you toddlers and tiaras...</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkhzrmu?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">ThePipeGang</a></p><p>That's nothing but a bizarre off-label Munchauson's Syndrome by Proxy, just using performances instead of diseases.</p>
Size Doesn't Restrict Influence<p>Treating cigarette butts as if they are not litter</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkhy44q?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">rumblepony247</a></p><p>As a smoker myself it just annoys me when i see them all over the ground. Definitely when its next ro a bin or ashtray. Just f-cking use it.</p><p>If there is nothing around while im smoking, i just put it out and put it in my back pocket until i get to a bin. Thats probably gross but its better than [littering].</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkix43a?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">ValhallaFalling</a></p>
A "No" Means "No," No Matter What The Movies Say<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTUzMjMzNS9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY1OTA4NzIyM30.dSeycTq7wRd85UjknmSxIWYJffMiPYX-Xc8sXshollk/img.gif?width=980" id="3bf44" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="75096fffefd8c007ae957d24fc916602" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="480" data-height="362" />homer simpson no GIFGiphy<p>"Pursuing" someone after they have made it clear they are not interested. I blame most romantic movies.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l3p1fk/whats_the_worst_thing_that_is_socially_accepted/gkhfvsf?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">loritree</a></p><p>100% agree, and reflecting on being a young man a long time ago... it's confusing as sh-t. That was so reinforced on TV and movies in the 80s and 90s... and when young guys are coming of age and just getting into dating, it's very confusing... lots of nerves and hormones and things, and even though your senses tell you that you should let it go, you have these voices all around you telling you to "not give up", or that "they're just playing hard to get"... or that "girls like it when you fight for them" etc...</p>
Businesses have been known to cut corners and abuse their employees to make a buck. It's a trick as old as the institution of employment itself.
But it does come back to bite them... eventually. Every once in a while a business owner feels the effect of the pain they have caused on other people.
Not The Animals<p>A veterinarian I once worked for tried to make me reuse bloody IV tubing between patients, "just rinse it out" he told me. He charged the same amount for a pain injection for a 5 lb pet and a 150lb pet, he over-worked and underpaid his employees, he was rude to his clients, and tried to make staff carry out tasks they were not qualified/educated to do. He would cut corners in any possible way.</p><p>Several of us reported him to the board.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/EhDub13/" target="_blank">EhDub13</a></p>
Yeah Just Do It Fam<p>Hostility towards raises. Rewarding your existing employees is almost always cheaper than hiring new. Ive had a manager that scoffed at a single 3% raise for someone who had no raise for 5 years. Good luck hiring a new person with that experience and for less money. There's a reason why job hopping gets you more money, and it's not because hiring new is cheaper.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/KourteousKrome/" target="_blank">KourteousKrome</a></p>
This Is Called Entrapment<p>Any company/service that allows you to sign up using the internet with minimal verification but requires you to either produce ID, bills, proof of address, or show up in person to cancel that service.</p><p>if i can set it up via the internet i should be able to cancel using the internet too.</p><p><span></span><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/ThatKiwiBloke/" target="_blank">ThatKiwiBloke</a></p>
Buzz Buzz Buzz<p>I used to serve at a restaurant where we wore pagers that buzzed us when a table's food was ready. Good idea right? Well the owners had the policy that you had to immediately go pick up the food no matter what, and that included if you were in the middle of taking another table's order. They said that people "understand" and are cool with it. Of course they weren't though. Every time I stopped taking a table's order and went and got the food, they were totally pissed off. I could not believe the owners did not understand why literally no other restaurant on the planet does it that way.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/whinecube/" target="_blank">whinecube</a></p>
Stealing!<p>I use the term "business" loosely, but I once did graduate research with a professor who was in the process of trying to get a major auto manufacturer to invest in our lab. They liked us, but wanted an example of some of our work. So rather than directing them to some publications of ours, my professor gave them a zip file containing <em>all</em> of our recent unpublished research, including the basis for a patent application.</p><p>My professor was shocked when they just kept it.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/RealHot_RealSteel/" target="_blank">RealHot_RealSteel</a></p>
She Done Closed<p>I worked at a restaurant that wouldn't let people get a refund on their food even though there was a cockroach in it. Instead they offered a 10% discount on the food as per their "policy". Needless to say this restaurant no longer exists.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/FlintstonesViagra/" target="_blank">FlintstonesViagra</a></p>
Forcing You To Quit<p>Trying to get employees to quit. My managers at fast food didn't want to keep long term employees due to having to pay them more and firing them means unemployment costs. Us quitting means no unemployment and not having to give raises.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/calverygirl/" target="_blank">calverygirl</a></p>
Fraud....<p>So this store put a massive discount on weighted blankets. They were originally selling for $150, but were now being offered for $39.99.</p><p>The catch? You'd need to sign up for free as a VIP member online. Urm ok no harm done.</p><p>So i signed up and bought the blanket. And so did thousands of other people.</p><p>The store cancelled our orders and refunded our money, claiming that they weren't able to fulfil our orders. And now they had a couple thousand more new names on their mailing list.</p><p>And sure enough marketing emails came pouring through. I unsubscribed once but still had emails coming in.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/MalaysianOfficial_1/" target="_blank">MalaysianOfficial_1</a></p>
THE POOR DOGGOS<p>I heard this one from a friend: She worked at a dog kennelling business that would tour prospective clients through the front of the building and show off how each dog would get its own indoor/outdoor run area and specialized attention, etc. Then when Thanksgiving and Christmas came and they got more bookings then they could accommodate, they set up cages and stacked kennels in a back room and people were paying big dollars thinking that their dogs were in a nice roomy pen while the business crammed as many dogs as they could into these basic cages. It was shameful.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/headcase-and-a-half/" target="_blank">headcase-and-a-half</a></p>
A Rock And A Hard Place<p>I worked for a big car rental company in the returns department. They would push us to find and charge customers for any new damage on their cars by awarding bonuses on top of our monthly salary. </p><p>We were given mirrors to look for scratches under the cars where costumers would normally not have checked before they rented the car, often leading to heated arguments over if it really was their fault or not. The company did not care either way and made us charge their insurance deposit if they refused to pay. The daily verbal abuse and stress from being sandwiched between my managers and angry customers has definitely left a mark on my mental health and I will probably never work in the traveling industry again.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/bjarl/" target="_blank">bjarl</a></p>
Every one of us harbors evil and malicious intent. It is completely normal to have dark thoughts. The difference between the everyday person and a psycho is intent and lacking empathy. It's frightening to realize that someone you may have spent a significant amount of time with could take a life with cruelty, but it happens more often than we want to realize.
When I was 18 I used to play in a weekly game of pool, I was awful, still am. My friends would sneak me into this bar/club in Ft. Lauderdale that was 21 and up. We met an enormous amount of fascinating people.
In the Room<p>Not friends but I worked at a charity with two hilarious guys. A year or so after I left, one killed the other with a car bomb. It feels so unreal, like it was complete fiction. Can't believe I was in a room with them both on multiple occasions. I live in Northern Ireland and it appears that the motive involved some lingering sectarian/paramilitary tensions. That stuff has been quiet for most of my lifetime but there are still wounds.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyjb6z/people_who_were_friends_with_someone_who_later/gjh359j?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Aichon08087</a><span></span></p>
Normal<p>He was completely normal from as far as we could tell, just a regular high school kid. Played soccer, was in the advanced classes, kind of quiet but a nice kid.</p><p>Then one weekend he and another kid went and murdered a couple of professors with the intent of stealing their money and absconding to somewhere in South America I believe. </p>
Rodman<p>I knew a girl that let her boyfriend into her family's home and he killed her sister and brother that were around 10 years old, her brother who was 15, her father, and stabbed the crap out of her mother.</p><p>She's in prison for life. She was quiet. I didn't know her as well as I did her other siblings. Her boyfriend didn't attack her older sisters. We had always thought that the sister who was a year older than her was going to be the psycho. Her sister had anger issues. </p>
A Normal Dude<p>A normal dude. Somebody tried to rob him during a drug deal and he did what he felt he needed to do. Got 10 years for it and was released not long ago. From what I can recall, he was set up. Some neutral guy acted as the buyer, and when he went to make the deal. A few guys he had fought with in the past showed up trying to rob him but had no weapons, they just outnumbered him. </p>
The Roommate<p>I was childhood friends with a guy who beat his roommate to death with a bat. He was a regular middle class kid who got good grades etc. The roommate's dog was not fixed and was having her period all over the house and the roommate wouldn't clean it up or go to the vet. He just snapped one day and started beating the guy as he slept on the couch. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyjb6z/people_who_were_friends_with_someone_who_later/gjhhobe?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">QualitySeycoTimepiec</a></p>
Hostages<p>Not friends, but I grew up with a guy (neighbor) who held his dad hostage for hours and then killed both of them. he was a couple years older, so i didn't know him too well, but my brother was closer in age. Said he was quite nice, really quite funny, but obviously doesn't say much. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyjb6z/people_who_were_friends_with_someone_who_later/gjglyx7?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">lizzyolivia</a><span></span></p>
The Creeps<p>My boyfriend and his old roommate were friends with this guy who seriously gave me the creeps. He would always try to hit on me, even though it was my boyfriend's house, and was really awkward. One night after a party my boyfriend and I were asleep when I heard his door open. It was the creepy guy. I shook my boyfriend awake and he asked what the guy was doing. </p>
ISIS<p>I had a chem lab partner in college in the midwest, 2013 or 2014, he was a very nice guy, very smart too. We were both into the walking dead, so we talked about that frequently. Then one day I saw the news, as well as a campus wide email, and it turned out that he had just been arrested at the airport for trying to flee and join ISIS. So ya, he may not have been a murderer, but I think eventual terrorist fits here. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyjb6z/people_who_were_friends_with_someone_who_later/gjhefre?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">taintedthrowaway91</a><span></span></p>
The Fisherman<p>Perfectly normal kid. We went fishing and hiking together, and attended the same church. Lost touch after high school. In his thirties he murdered the boyfriend of his ex-wife. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyjb6z/people_who_were_friends_with_someone_who_later/gjh6lqu?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">p38-lightning</a><span></span></p>
Augustus<p>So I was friends with Augustus. He was on the quiet side but was into MMA and UFC stuff and I remember driving him to a few amateur fights when he lived at my home. I've known people that I didn't like and even feared but knew they were the kind of people you would want on your side if crap hit the fan, Augustus was that but I never felt I had anything to fear from him. He was a 'gentle giant.' Well he moved away and I hadn't heard from him in several years when another mutual friend told me about the trouble he found himself in. You can read about it here: <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/montana-man-pleads-guilty-double-murder-putting-bodies-acid-n948196" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/montana-man-pleads-guilty-double-murder-putting-bodies-acid-n948196</a></p>
Disciplining your kids is a necessary evil. It helps them to understand there are consequences for their mischief so they will behave better in the future.