People Break Down The Worst Thing They've Ever Tolerated To Avoid Confrontation
September 28 | 2020
Sometimes, no most of the time, an argument isn't worth the stress. It can take a lot of will power and quiet strength but we all have to weigh the options. There are just some minds we will never change. And some people we will just never see eye to eye with, even though we share DNA. So personal sacrifices have to be made in order to continue with peace. And often, many of us must swallow a bitter pill so we don't have to participate in drama.
Redditor u/splashingseal wanted to discuss all the times we've let things go for one reason or another by asking.... What's the worst thing you've tolerated to avoid confrontation?In the cupboard....
My flatmate will put my earphones in my food cupboard to tidy them away, but then leave all his dishes about the kitchen and living room
Not the worst, but so needlessly infuriating.
On the Edge....
An emotionally abusive relationship where I was constantly on edge because almost every single conversation resulted in an argument or me being put down. One night he had a huge fight with my mother, and I still went home with him. I immediately texted her to say he was being an ahole and that I actually agreed with her, but I didn't want to deal with the stress of him picking a fight with me about it.
That was probably the defining moment that made me start to reflect and realize the relationship was unhealthy.
As of Tuesday.....
My current work situation as of Tuesday. As part of my job I handle the timesheets for my office and my coworker checks them to see if everything is recorded correctly. If I make a mistake, I understand i need correction but the way she's been handling it lately has been too much. Now instead of calling me over to her desk, she just lectures me in front of the entire office. Then sometimes she complains to sups about me within earshot, pretty much repeating what she said very loudly to my face.
She's even made me cry once, but that was more frustration honestly (I'm an angry crier).
I say as of Tuesday because the last blow up over a timesheet error (that I handled on my own) was one too many. I finally had too much and told my sup it was bothering me. I'm hoping she can meditate between us so I don't start to panic every time I hear my coworker sigh a certain way.
The Chair...
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My MSc supervisor taking 6 months to return drafts. By repeatedly doing this, he extended the time it took by 3 years.
Eventually the department chair got wind of this and kicked his butt into gear. I wish I'd approached the chair sooner (well, at all.)
Fredo....
I used to have a roommate and all she ate was fettuccini alfredo for all three meals a day. And she'd only eat half of it and just leave the bowl sitting there. So there were just bowls of half eaten pasta scattered around the house and if we asked her to clean it she'd get upset and yell at us for "making her do all the work".
Yet if anyone else in the house had even a speck of dust near them she'd come in screaming, calling us lazy, telling us how horrible it was for her to live in such a mess. Once she tried to have me kicked out of the house for leaving a half full can of pop lying around that she knocked over and spilled. It was half full because I'd just opened it and was in the middle of drinking it. Meanwhile there's f*cking fettuccini everywhere.
Dad's day....
My fathers wedding. Absolutely hate his wife, her kids. She's a witch and that's not even biased, she's the type to go out of her way to lie in court in a case she has nothing to do with to make people miserable.
He basically blackmailed my sibling and I to come to the wedding ( which we were informed of a week prior as "an important event" and the night before as his actual second wedding) or he would never come to ours in the future.
Yeah, kinda wish I was a confrontational person, just this one time. It would have been glorious.
Oh and then he didn't inform my mother of it. So we kept the secret for another 2 years until he slipped up. Not my story to tell, and that was a conversation I didn't want to have.
Health Issues....
"You guys shouldn't be allowed to become NICU nurses unless you've had a premature baby yourself." Obviously from a mom in the worst moment of her life.
We get a lot of horrible comments or tongue lashing from parents who are just scared, frustrated or mad. I can't retaliate or say anything I might want to say, so we just sit quietly and say we're sorry they're in this situation.
On and On....
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An Uber driver who rambled on and on to me that women shouldn't work, should cook and raise kids. Said repeatedly how his engineer daughter was a disappointment because she works and has his grandkids in daycare. This was shortly after I, a woman, told him I was traveling for work. I just nodded along praying my hotel was closer.
I Hate You....
Right now I'm tolerating an ex roommate treating their gf and my close friend (separate people) like absolute crap, emotionally abusing and manipulating them. It's terrible and I hate.
However, they live quite a ways away from me and as things stand confronting him about it will only make things worse for the people I care about.
So for right now all I can do us my best to be there for them and support them until they find a way to get away from him. It's terrible, and I hate it, and I wish I could just rip him a new one, but I've dealt with people like him before and I know he'll just take it out on everyone else and they wouldn't be able to handle that right now.
Off the Road....
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My Driving Instructor used to debate me on Islam Vs Christianity (though I'm not sure why - I'm agnostic).
Of course I was completely fine with this, in fact as a Welsh born and bred village lad living in a big multicultural city for the first time, I found it fascinating. He was a fantastic instructor and clearly a good dude. But at one stage he tried his best to convince me that the Charlie Hebdo shooting was justified.
I've never been so glad to be in a situation where eye contact is actively dissuaded.
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People Who've Taken Ancestry DNA Tests Explain Which Secrets They've Uncovered About Their Family
January 19 | 2021
Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it. That is one of the wisdoms of life that people are always throwing around. It can be especially true when meeting your idols, finding your dream job and searching down blood relatives you knew nothing about. The DNA discovery craze has been all the rage the past decade or so. Everyone is running around contacting family they never knew they had. That can be quite the Pandora's box of family secrets and scandal.The outcomes have been all over the place. Though one of the best led to the discovery of the Golden State killer so that's a win.
Redditor u/VideoFork wanted to know who would be willing to give up some salacious tea about their blood tie discoveries by asking..... People who have taken an ancestry DNA test and accidentally uncovered a family secret, what was it?<div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_1"></div>
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It's Me!
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That Type of Guy
<p>My aunt discovered that her mother cheated on her father and she was a product of that affair, meaning she was actually only half-siblings with her 4 siblings.</p><p>The rub was that my aunt's husband was married before he married her. The woman he was married to is the daughter of the man involved in the affair. So no one knew this, but my uncle got divorced and then married his ex-wife's half-sister. I guess he has a type. </p><p><span></span><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kzwvgo/people_who_have_taken_an_ancestry_dna_test_and/gjqq9ar?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Herd_That</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_2" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Zulu Forever
<p>I was adopted and always knew I was adopted. My parents told me that I came from a family that had already had all of their kids. They lived several towns over. I was a surprise.</p><p>Three years ago my wife decided to take some DNA tests. I figured what the heck? Maybe I'm part Zulu warrior. That'd be cool.</p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_3" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p>When the tests came back, I found out I had a first cousin. They had listed a public email. I emailed them, started comparing notes, and wham! I was in for quite a surprise.</p><p>First, I was not born into a traditional family. Instead, my bio mom was single. Second, I was not a late addition. I had four sisters and one brother. I was the baby, but only by a couple of years. Third, most all of them lived nearby. Finally, nobody knew I was alive!</p>
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<p>My biological mom had passed. She had kept the pregnancy secret from everybody else. Before she died, she had confided in one of my bio sisters that she had a baby a long time ago, and she had put the baby up for adoption. She told nobody else.</p><p>When my sister told the rest of the family? They didn't believe her! So when I finally looked them up, she was like "See! All those years! I told you so! We have a baby brother!"</p><p>It was an amazing experience. I had no idea what I was getting into when I sent that DNA test off. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kzwvgo/people_who_have_taken_an_ancestry_dna_test_and/gjqx86y?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ExistentialismFTW</a><span></span></p>
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The Line
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<p> I was given up for adoption by my bio mom and none of her family knew about me. However, i was not her first or last child. I was her second of 4 kids. My older half brother (we all have different dads. I don't know who mine is and i don't think bio mom does either) was adopted by my bio moms parents. Her whole family found out about me when i found her when i was 19 and went to visit. </p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_6" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p>It was pretty weird. I feel like the lucky one who got out. I don't talk to my bio mom. She is not a good parent to my 2 younger brothers and i hate that she pretends to know me or be my parent. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kzwvgo/people_who_have_taken_an_ancestry_dna_test_and/gjs4z4c?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">mladyKarmaB**ch</a></p>
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That one time....
<p>Not me, but a friend never knew who his father was (mom had a weekend fling in college and never contacted the guy after) and his wife helped him use ancestry.com to try and track him down. My friend reached out and the guy was obviously surprised, but flew across the country to meet him. They have a great relationship now, the dad attended his wedding, and they try to get their families together a couple times a year or so. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kzwvgo/people_who_have_taken_an_ancestry_dna_test_and/gjqktaz?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">djsquidnasty</a><span></span></p><div data-conversation-spotlight style="min-height:90px"></div>
What a Man....
<p>My FIL was married to at least 2 women at a time. Nice guy but a man wh*re, and I think he just didn't want to let each woman down when she got pregnant and/or started bringing up marriage. My MIL says that he was already married when they got married, but we also know that he has a child 3 months younger than my husband and the woman and child both go by FIL's last name (and that's NOT the woman MIL claims he was married to when he married her). So he might possibly have had 3 wives at the same time. My husband has upwards of 10 half siblings from his dad. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kzwvgo/people_who_have_taken_an_ancestry_dna_test_and/gjr84gq?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"> froglover215</a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/froglover215/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"></a><span></span></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_8" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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You're Fired....
<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTQ5ODc1Ni9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY2MTA2NjA0MH0.kpHQWgXjSP8hxHVaDe5maZQGTHHhd2DlzaCBqwtVnrs/img.gif?width=980" id="8a9c4" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="620ba7ae18cc58755d9e361353870552" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="500" data-height="500" />howie mandel omg GIF by America's Got TalentGiphy<p>My wife is adopted (but found her bio mom) and did one of the genetic tests. Someone matched with her and asked if she knew such and such a name. She found out her bio dad wasn't married to the bio mom.... it was her boss. oops. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kzwvgo/people_who_have_taken_an_ancestry_dna_test_and/gjqj7me?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">valeyard89</a><span></span></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_9" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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A Favor
<p>My male cousin did one and found a female cousin we did not know about. He reached out to her and apparently our deceased uncle was good friends with her mother. Mom wanted a baby so uncle got her pregnant simply as a sperm donor.</p><p>Female cousin lived a few blocks away from my grandmother. She had met her a few times going around selling Girl Scout cookies or something. My grandmother had no idea that she was buying cookies from her granddaughter. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kzwvgo/people_who_have_taken_an_ancestry_dna_test_and/gjqfjd4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">OrangeTree81</a></p><div id="taboola-mid-article-1x1" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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The 3
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People Break Down Historical Lies That People Still Believe To Be True
January 19 | 2021
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The problem with history is we never get to see how any of it turns out until long after the fact. Who was right? Who was wrong? Was 2020 the worst year of the current century? We'll never live long enough to know the answers to these questions (except that last one, because, come on, this past year was horrendous) but the following entries have people already breaking down some well-known historical lies.
<p>Reddit user, <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/sad-talking_head/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">u/sad-talking_head</a>, wanted to hear about:</p><p><em><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/?sort=top" target="_blank">What are some historical lies that people generally believe?</a></em></p>
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Probably Should Drop This Stereotype Soon
<p>That France surrenders at everything. France has the highest count of victories tho.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj06pto?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">sly_vixen</a></p><p>Hell, just under Napoleon alone, the rest of Europe had to ban together to fight France off 5 times, and they were close affairs at that.</p><p>For most of its history, France was pretty darn good at winning.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj0r02s?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">badcgi</a></p><!-- Insticator API Fire Widget -->
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He Was My Idol...
<p>Salieri and Mozart actually got along quite well. If they did have a rivalry, it was merely professional.</p><p>Salieri didn't promise his chastity to god, or if he did he didn't follow through because he got married and had kids.</p><p>Salieri didn't have to manipulate the emperor to earn favour with him. He was a well respected composer, and one of the richest men in the country at the time.</p><p>Amadeus is a great film, but it's a good thing that it doesn't start with "based on a true story". At least it's honest... I'm looking at you Braveheart!</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj12145?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">epsonabcdefg</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_2" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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This One Comes Up Quite A Bit
<p>That Napoleon was short, he was of average height by those times. </p><p>French just used the different scale of measurement.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj0egvj?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">Tallandstrong170</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_3" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Selling Your Own BS
<p>Hitler didn't become a monster because he was kicked out of art school.</p><p>He was a neckbeard bouncing around Vienna filling his head with all sorts of bullsh-t "philosophy" and well on his way to becoming a monster when someone suggested that he look into an art and architecture program at some school. He made a half-a--ed application which was denied and he continued to sell little paintings to get by while he read all his crazy books. He trumped up the kicked out of art school story in Mein Kampf.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj0azt0?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">Thirty_Helens_Agree</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_4" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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A Classic Naming Mixaround
<p>That Iceland was named Iceland by the vikings to try to try to trick colonists into not colonizing when in fact the reason is that when the first people landed on iceland it was winter and the viking that named it saw a lot of ice and promptly named it as such</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj0ge82?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">PickyIcky1234</a></p><p>Are you sure you aren't confusing this? The story I have heard is that Greenland was named that way to trick colonists into sailing there and wasting time and resources.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj0ho20?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">Kitlun</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_5" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p>Greenland was named to attract settlers but Iceland wasnt named with any simalar intent. Fun fact about Greenland, it was actually named by someone who was exiled from Iceland.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj0iqig?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">PickyIcky1234</a></p>
The Transition Of Ages Is Not So Cut And Dry
<p>That the Roman Empire fell in 476 AD and then it was the dark ages.</p><p>In reality, a peasant living through 476 probably wouldn't have realized they were living through the end of one age and the start of another. The beginnings of feudalism had already started back during Diocletian's reign, barbarians warbands and barbarian roman troops had been a fact of life for generations. The barbarian king who deposed Augustulus still considered himself a rightful representative of the Empire, etc. In some ways, the fall of Rome was sudden and traumatic (the population of Rome itself absolutely cratered in the 400's, after all), but it was really more of a gradual, centuries long transition than a fall.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj0bta9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">bigblindmax</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_6" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Simple Solution To Simple Problems. All You Have To Do Is Look.
<p>"NASA spent millions on developing a pen for space. The Russians used a pencil." [suggesting NASA isn't very intelligent]</p><p>They were perfectly correct to make a pen for space. A pencil would have released loads of tiny graphite particles during use, which would float around and interfere with electronics.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj17jtl?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">wombey12</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_7" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Maybe Not The "Hottie" In The Way Modern Society Would View
<p>That Cleopatra was some sort of otherworldly beauty who mesmerized every man she met. Ancient historians were more impressed/scandalized by her intelligence and ability to manipulate as easily as she breathed, and it wasn't until centuries later than she began to develop this reputation as a sexy seductress. <br></p><div data-conversation-spotlight style="min-height:90px"></div>
<p>Cleopatra's ancestors were <em>big</em> fans of incest (the sixteen roles of her great-great-grandparents were filled by just six individuals), and members of the Ptolemaic dynasty had a reputation for being...odd-looking. Cleopatra, reportedly, was above-average-looking compared to others in her family, but according to historians like Plutarch, the general consensus was that "her beauty… was in itself not altogether incomparable, nor such as to strike those who saw her."</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj0k61c?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dahhhkness</a></p>
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Sounds Like The "Nikola Tesla" Of Ancient Libraries
<p>Almost anything involving the Library of Alexandria.</p><p>No, the Library of Alexandria was not the sole repository of knowledge in the ancient world. There were many other great libraries such as the one in Pergamum as well as many, many other collections.</p><p>No, we did not lose countless important works that could only be found there. The Library worked on copying works, and any important writings could easily be found in other libraries around the world.</p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_9" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p>No, we wouldn't be living in a utopia if it didn't burn because it was the centre of learning. The Library was in serious decline for almost a century before it burned. When Ptolemy VIII banned all foreign scholars from Alexandria, they moved to other libraries, and as Ptolemaic rule became less stable and the position of head librarian became a political position the prestige of the Library faded.</p><p>No, Julius Caesar did not burn it down on purpose. While he was besieged in Alexandria his troops set fire to some ships on the docks and the fire accidentally spread. However, it is unsure of how much of the Library was truly destroyed, as we know the Mouseion survived, and at any rate we know much was rebuilt later, with Mark Antony supposedly gifting some 200,000 scrolls to the Library, and Claudius built an additional to it during his reign.</p>
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<p>No, the Christian Crusaders did not burn down the Library because they hated knowledge. First of all they didn't even attack Alexandria during the major Crusades (they would during a later minor one) besides they would be almost a 1000 years too late, as the last recorded evidence of the Library dates back to the middle of the 3rd Century, and any vestiges of the Library, which would have been a minor shell of its hight as Roman and Greek scholarship had long moved to other centres. At any rate what remained would have been destroyed during either Aurilian's attack of the city in 272 CE or Diocletian's in 297 CE.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kvsurz/what_are_some_historical_lies_that_people/gj0qo6p?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">badcgi</a></p><p><em>Want to "know" more? Never miss another big, odd, funny, or heartbreaking moment again. Sign up for the Knowable newsletter <a href="https://mailchi.mp/knowable/knowable-newsletter-in-content" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>. </em></p>
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I have always had a fascination with cults. As you can imagine, I've read a fair amount of books on the subject. Helter Skelter, which tells the story about the Manson murders and was written by the lead prosecutor on the case, is highly recommended. Raven, a deep dive into The People's Temple and the notorious Jim Jones, is another stellar read. Films on the subject, including the recent The Endless, are well worth the watch.
But what makes people join these cults and what would get them to leave?
After Redditor theotherweatherguy asked the online community, "Former cult members, what made you realize you were in a cult and that you had to get out?" people shared their stories.
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"My mother realized..."
<p>My mother realized there was something wrong when our head minister publicly called her a wh*re, because she was one of the few women who WOULDN'T cheat on her husband with him "in the name of Jesus." She left, taking us (the kids). My father, the husband she refused to cheat on, stayed in the cult for a couple more years.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyivtx/former_cult_members_what_made_you_realize_you/gjid2hf?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">ufonyx</a></p><!-- Insticator API Fire Widget -->
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"After this got to be too much..."
<p>I was born and raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Got married to another witness when I was 19. Around age 23, I started questioning the intense level of control they have over our smallest choices: What we wear, look like, what we watch or listen to, who we spend time with, etc.</p><p>Things really started falling apart when my cognitive dissonance was reckoning with the fact that I've worked with several hundred non-witnesses, and they were every bit as intelligent, compassionate, and loving as the best witnesses I knew, yet the Organization taught me that non-witnesses were selfish, horrible people, and they were all going to die at Armageddon (which has been constantly and urgently imminent for the last 150 years), I'll drop a link to some of their quotes regarding this in case you're curious.</p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_2" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p><br>After this got to be too much, I finally decided to research what ex-witnesses had to say. The Organization called them "Apostates," we were trained to be terrified of them and what they had to say, to never listen to them. Once I gave them a chance, it clicked instantly. Our leadership told us to never listen to "Apostates" because they knew the whole time that the apostates were right about everything they say.</p><p>My wife was not thrilled, to say the least, but I convinced her that truth stood up for itself, and she had the right to examine all the evidence and decide for herself what was true. We've been happily out for a year and a half, making new friends, having the time of our lives and we are buying a house this week.</p><p><a href="https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/salvation-only-for-jehovahs-witnesses.php" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/salvation-only-for-jehovahs-witnesses.php</a></p><p><a href="https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php</a></p>
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"I felt insulted..."
<p>They told me I devoted too much of my time studying instead of praying/proselytize/going to gatherings/so-called 'family time.' I even explained that I study because I want to one day contribute to the alleviation of poverty in my country. They confronted me one day. They said that studying is more important to me than God, that it would be better to save myself a seat in heaven, and that all I could do is pray for God to provide for the poor. </p><p>I felt insulted because they were Americans and it seemed like their privileged life blinds them from how humiliating it is to not be able to eat. I personally know how many generations that have passed that have prayed for poverty in our country to end. After that exchange, I was so shaken with disgust from what I just heard. It was then that I decided I should get out. I'm a spineless coward, so I composed a letter detailing my leave and handed it to them rather than confront them directly.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyivtx/former_cult_members_what_made_you_realize_you/gjhteya?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Kablaaw</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_4" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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"When they told me..."
<p>When they told me I couldn't leave and if I did defy them and leave, I would be excommunicated.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyivtx/former_cult_members_what_made_you_realize_you/gjgjp7f?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">_chaos_control</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_5" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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"By the time they let us go home..."
<p>In the early 2000's I went to the Church of Scientology as a 20-year-old. My dad was an Evangelical pastor and I was really turned off of Christianity (still am, even more now). I had heard that Scientology was kind of crazy but hadn't heard anything about what we now know their beliefs to be. When I first went, I really liked the idea behind how they viewed it as "tech" and not really religion. They start you off slow and you don't necessarily get into doing auditing right away (unless you have a bunch of money). I also ended up working there to pay for my classes since I was a poor college student. I actually really liked the people there and had a good time for the most part.</p><p>After a couple of months of spending a few days a week there, going to classes and working, I got past the intro classes. That's when the crazy started to show itself. I remember having discussions around how basically, you have to follow what Hubbard said to the letter. Well I'm a bit of a free thinker and that didn't sit well with me, but they would just respond with "Well that's how his 'tech' works!".</p><p>A week or so after our discussions around following things to the letter, they had a big event. I don't really remember what it was for, but it ended with trying to sign people up to go on a Scientology "cruise." If you couldn't afford it, you'd have to join the Sea Org and work your way through. Being as it was a pretty expensive cruise (more than normal since you were paying for the classes too), they were having a hard time getting people to sign up. They had a quota they had to hit for the meeting and wouldn't let us leave until they met their quota. So they'd hound people in the audience (maybe around 40 of us) until someone would finally relent and sign up. Then they'd do it to someone else.</p><p>It was getting to be around 10 pm and I had to be at my real job at 7 am so I asked if I could leave. They said no, just wait until they finish signing people up. Well, it kept getting later and I kept asking. Finally, after another 45 minutes, I tried to walk out. They physically barred me from leaving. Oh, and not to mention, this entire time they were trying to get me to drop out of school to go. The program I was in had a 2 year waiting period and if I left it would be quite a while before I would be able to get back in.</p><p>By the time they let us go home, I hated every person in that place. The people I was starting to like were the ones telling me to drop out of school. I never went back. They called and called begging me to come and talk to them. I finally ended up talking to who had been my favorite person there and explained how upset I was that they were asking me to drop out of school etc. They just doubled down and kept trying to get me to come into the church. At this point, I knew if I went back they probably wouldn't let me leave. So I never went back. Told them never to call me.</p><p>I've gotten mailers from them over the years still and they'll find my phone number and start to call. Well, a couple of years ago I had finally had enough of the calls as they would call almost as much as the car warranty scams now. I had already told them nicely to stop calling but one day I lost it on someone. I went ballistic on the phone. I don't remember what exactly I said but they haven't called me since and I haven't gotten anything in the mail.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyivtx/former_cult_members_what_made_you_realize_you/gjhwaev?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Paerrin</a></p>
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"They control everything..."
<p>A friend from the same church explained it to me when I was young. They control everything from our money, marriage, thoughts, actions. But growing up in such a church makes it feel normal, you know? I couldn't question it.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyivtx/former_cult_members_what_made_you_realize_you/gjgnedd?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">eggstoasty</a></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_7" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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"When I realized..."
<p>When I realized that forcing everyone to legally change their last name, not leave the building, not take pictures and not say certain words was not normal, dude. Also the mandatory viewing and the evening classes for those inexperienced in the cult's niche (paranormal).</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyivtx/former_cult_members_what_made_you_realize_you/gjh8qgp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">MR_System_</a></p><div data-conversation-spotlight style="min-height:90px"></div>
"I left when my partner..."
<p>I was in an offshoot of AA for drug addicts called DAA. They treated the AA big book as gospel and they encouraged absolute control from your sponsor (mentor). You had to tell them every grisly detail about your life. They refused to allow people to take mental health medicine.</p><p>The group took up all of my time and spent hours trying to go to NA meetings to recruit people. They saw Bill Wilson as almost godlike. At the top of the organisation in London was a figure who subtly placed himself as the cult leader, and took advantage of young newcomers.</p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_8" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p><br>They cast every problem in your life as your fault. You'd be lacking faith, or not doing the right prescribed cult actions like meditation or writing down your failings in detail and sharing them. Sponsors often told other people what their sponsees told them - there was no privacy.</p><p>I left when my partner, now wife, managed to show me what was going on. Unfortunately, she read a lot of my graphic writings about my past and we struggle to repair trust.</p><p>I hate them - they prey on vulnerable people and make the cult their lives. If you leave you're isolated and bereft and alone, because your entire life is in there.</p><p>Please avoid. Happy to answer questions about them. I'm UK based but they're worldwide.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kyivtx/former_cult_members_what_made_you_realize_you/gjhxsdg?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Elphtastic</a></p>
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Liars are not the kind of company we seek to keep.
But bad liars can be entertaining enough to have around long enough to expose them.
<div>My favorite example of this was when a fellow grade school student lied about having seen a movie just so he could be a part of a conversation.<img alt="" src="https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/renderTimingPixel.png"></div>
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<p>"Oh yeah, I saw that too," he said, as a self-invite.</p><p>When asked what parts he liked about the movie, he described all the snippets that were shown in the trailer. He couldn't for the life of him recall specific details about key plot points and consequently told us to screw off.</p><p>Plot twist: the pathetic liar trying to fit in was meeeee.<br></p><p>Curious about strangers who had been hoodwinked, Redditor <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/KlingyYT/" target="_blank">KlingyYT</a> asked:<br></p><blockquote><em><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kwga4b/what_is_the_most_obvious_lie_you_have_ever_been/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"What is the most obvious lie you have ever been told?"</a></em></blockquote>
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The Smashed Omega
<p>"My first watch was an omega and I saved up on high school to get it. One of my good friends back then asked to wear it for 1 period and would give it back at lunch. He begged and begged so as a hs kid I gave in or couldn't keep saying no I guess, weak on me, obviously.</p><p> Well, He smashed it (apparently smashed the glass to test it) gave it back and said it was a fake and that's why the glass cracked and said he didn't do it and it just fell apart. A**hole became a medical doctor and is now involved in politics and holds state office. I'm still pissed about the watch he never admitted he broke cuz he was salty and jealous."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kwga4b/what_is_the_most_obvious_lie_you_have_ever_been/gj4x187?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">sunset117</a><br></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_2" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Same Backstory
<p>"When a co-worker told my own story back to me as his own. Twice."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/lurkity_mclurkington/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">lurkity_mclurkington</a></p><p>"I had a friend do this once, he was hanging out with a large group of my friends that he hardly knew and my best friend (still my best friend too) just went 'wow it's so crazy you had ver-betim the exact same childhood story that Jason has told us all before, right down to the small town in Kansas where it happened' and the color drained straight out of his face. Didn't say a word to me for like 3 days. Dude turned out to be a pathological liar on many levels, very strange to think how I spent 4 years of high school with someone lying straight to my face constantly and didn't realize it until that moment."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kwga4b/what_is_the_most_obvious_lie_you_have_ever_been/gj6dejt?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Modusobit</a><br></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_3" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Je Ne Comprends Pas Français
<p>"I speak French, though I'm losing it from lack of use. But one of my college guy friends started dating a girl 'from France.' He was all excited because she could talk to me in her native language and I could help translate. So he brought her to a party at my sorority house and introduced us."</p><p>"I greeted her in French with a very simple, 'bonjour, bienvenue, comment ça va' which is just hi, welcome, how are you."</p><p>"Blank stare and red face in response. She then said, in what I thought was a kind of strange accent, that she's sorry, she didn't understand me. I looked at the guy and said 'I thought you told me she was French?' Because maybe she was a different nationality and he was confused."</p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_4" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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<p>"He looked at her and she just turned and left. He followed then returned a bit later and said he had caught up to her and she started screaming at him in perfect Midwestern accented English that he was a jerk for setting her up to look like a fool."</p><p>"He had genuinely been excited that he could introduce her to someone she could talk to so he was blown away by her accusations and then angry that she lied. She apparently felt faking an accent would make her more appealing or something."</p><p>"I would see her around on campus after that but she avoided me like the plague. TBH, I felt bad for her, but if you're going to fake it, at least pick a country with a language you can speak."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kwga4b/what_is_the_most_obvious_lie_you_have_ever_been/gj4rvvg?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">LaLionneEcossaise</a><br></p>
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Solo Artist
<p>"When I was a kid, the internet wasn't a thing so, my friends were whoever happened to live in the neighborhood. One kid was a well-known liar and exaggerator. We were maybe 14 years old at this time."</p><p>"This kid could play guitar and was always talking himself up about it and talking about 'his band.' He actually could play, but 'his band' did not exist."</p><p><br>"One day, I called him at his house, from my house. I don't remember what it was about, but a few minutes into the conversation, told me, 'by the way, I'm in Florida with my band', just out of the blue. This was before even pagers were a common thing. I called him. At his house."</p><p>"I just said something like , 'uh huh. Ok.' and ended the conversation. I then proceeded to tell all the other kids in the neighborhood."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kwga4b/what_is_the_most_obvious_lie_you_have_ever_been/gj4pi42?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Knight_Owls</a></p>
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Going Nowhere Fast
<p>"My friend told me that getting a Peloton changed her life. I looked up her workout stats & she had used it 4 times in 5 months of owning it. Her husband fared a little better with using it 9 times."</p><p>"Don't know why this annoyed me so much."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kwga4b/what_is_the_most_obvious_lie_you_have_ever_been/gj4lf71?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">natasha_c</a><br></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_7" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Shopping For Sympathy
<p>"My little girl told everyone in the supermarket that our cat died and she was sad. We don't own a cat."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kwga4b/what_is_the_most_obvious_lie_you_have_ever_been/gj4ib29?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">VixenRoss</a><br></p><div data-conversation-spotlight style="min-height:90px"></div>
Please Don't Quit
<p>"We cannot give you a raise right now, but we will compensate you as soon as the budget allows".</p><p>"Turns out 'when the budget allows' is 'when you already have another job offer and put in your two weeks notice.'"</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kwga4b/what_is_the_most_obvious_lie_you_have_ever_been/gj4hm8s?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Daikataro</a><br></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_8" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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Does Not Compute
<p>"As a tax accountant, I'm told lies about how much money people actually made all the time during tax season."</p><p>"My favorite was a guy telling me he's broke because he only makes $35,000/year in NYC so my (very reasonable) fee is too much for him. He says this after he asks me if he can deduct the new BMW 5 series he just bought his son all cash."</p><p>– <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kwga4b/what_is_the_most_obvious_lie_you_have_ever_been/gj49zvc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">reusethisname</a><br></p><div class="ad-tag" data-ad-name="In_Content_Responsive_9" style="min-height:280px"></div>
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