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Religion, faith... God. There are so many things to discuss after after expressing those ideas. Wars have been fought.... are STILL being fought over religious faith. Many people are steadfast in the belief that God is among us and will save us; that keeps believers in comfort on the daily. But there are many who challenge the thought that a higher power exists. And some at one point were very involved in their faith of God, but, things change.
Redditor _Johnytheanarchist asked the atheists of Reddit to share... What's something that's made you question your belief? _There is always a turning point when you ask yourself... is this me?
HUSH UP AND BE QUEIT!
My church telling me not to question my belief or their teachings.
Redditor _extrohex responded in solidarity. _
I'm a Muslim and I can totally agree with you that people should be able to question their religious scholars about the religion they are in. Even in Islam many 'scholars' tells you not to question anything and just believe. There is a story in our Holy Book Qur'an where even the Prophet (I don't remember which one, Abraham or Moses) asks Allah (Allah literally means The God and not muslim God) to show him how you give life and death. Allah asked him that does he not believe? He said I do believe but to be stronger in faith. Now this is huge. However these 'scholars' tells you to not even question simple things and even some elders in the family. Hence people just move away from their religion.
Majority of the scholars in Islam encourages questioning but only few says that just believe and don't ask.
CHAIN, CHAIN, CHAIN.... CHAIN OF FOOLS...[rebelmouse-image 18346128 is_animated_gif=
My parents are Christian. What made me really question it all was the concept of "prayer chains." _What a prayer chain is basically whenever something bad happens to someone (they get hurt, they get sick, lose a job etc.), a person will pray for them and then call the next person on the prayer chain, who then prays for them and calls the next person. The idea is roughly _"the more people praying to god asking for help for the person the better."This is a noble idea, if you don't think too hard about it. But, if you are like me and think about stuff harder than the average Christian; what this basically means is _"God will help people more if more people care about them."_ So, if you are dying in a ditch and no one knows your name, god doesn't care about you.
I THOUGHT GOD EMBRACED EVERYBODY?![rebelmouse-image 18346129 is_animated_gif=
When I was a teenager my parents got divorced and the church we were members of told both my parents they weren't really welcome to be involved anymore. It seemed totally counter to the stuff they were teaching us, and was definitely the moment where i first thought, "wait, what? what the hell is this place?"
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I used to be a member of Campus Crusade for Christ (sometimes called Cru or CCC) It's a Christian men's organization popular on many college campuses, and it's basically a cult.
I went to a Methodist school and it wasn't super christian or anything, an ordinary college really. But Cru was something different, it had a lot of respect among campus management because local pastors it was Christian, but a bad reputation among students who weren't into that stuff.
I still remember it vividly - Freshman year, first week of college, going to the organization fair because I was excited to join some kind of club or something. I guess I looked lost or alone, and someone who wasn't with any of the regular clubs approached me and started talking about this men's club, being that I was a practicing Catholic at the time I decided to try it out. First meeting they talked about nothing other than masturbation and how evil it was. After several meetings, I'll admit they had me feeling really bad about myself, convinced I was just an awful and depraved person.
They wanted to control every aspect of my life - only associate with other members of Cru, always let Cru know where you're going and who you're with, you had to show your laptop's browser history (and it had better not be cleared), at each meeting, and definitely no association with women for any reason. And for a while, I actually did all this. Well eventually I snapped out of it, realized I was being manipulated and brainwashed, stopped going to their meetings.
I didn't start calling myself an atheist until many years later, but in hindsight my experience with Cru was the first time I saw religion as being harmful.
And in later years I realized, that's how they prey on naive and impressionable kids, they get em in before they've had a chance to make other friends. I was exactly the gullible fool they were scouting for. The president of the club was only a student by technicality, he never graduated and just takes the minimum number of classes to be considered a student. He just stays in college to run that club, and was in his 30s. I don't know if he was being paid to do this, or was a creep, or just completely brainwashed.
In my later years of college, many of us experienced cases of losing friends to Cru. Once they joined that, you wouldn't hear from them again unless they left the club. From what I hear, it also runs into money after a while, like a lot of money, and it works kind of like a pyramid scheme.
SOUNDS MORE LIKE VOODOO![rebelmouse-image 18346133 is_animated_gif=
Walking on water, miracle cures, burning women at the stake for being progressive (witches), the world is 5000 years old, my aunt was not allowed to take communion due to her divorce. Basically the constant one sided BS. I'm sure these stories worked to control the population like a government, back when they didn't have the answers. I'm sure Jesus was a good guy, but he didn't sacrifice himself for me, he was killed.
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I was always an atheist, but I went through a rough patch after college and I started going to a nearby church with a friend of mine. I never did buy into all of it, but I did start to see the draw of the community aspect of it. To me, it was like a good group therapy session, where you thought about your life and your choices a lot in the context of other anecdotal stories that just happened to be from the bible.
In the end, I stopped going and never really found religious views in it. However, I can definitely see why people love the community aspect of belonging to a church and getting to know people at your church. They become a little family to you. That part was very appealing. Made me think twice about questioning why people go to church and why people are so drawn to religion because I can see why they were drawn to that part of it very clearly.
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From Christian to Atheist:
When I realized that I could come up with better, more moral and loving solutions than the all knowing God of the universe. For instance, when the Israelites were told to kill all the men, women, and children of an enemy nation, I couldn't help but think about the "radical love" (that was the title of a book I read once about how the love of Jesus should really change our life... like selling your possessions to give to the poor kind of change) that Jesus displays and see the disconnect between saving people at all costs and killing them (and punishing the Israelites who failed to kill all the people). Why couldn't the Israelites adopt the children? Or find a non-violent solution altogether? God can't do that?
From Atheist to "doubting."
What causes me to doubt my atheism is the idea that God isn't who he is portrayed as in the Bible. Maybe God never commanded those horrible things but the people who wrote about him did? Of course at that point, I'm basically creating God myself, picking and choosing the aspects that I think make up a God that I don't see much evidence for in the first place. That's when I realized that I really just wanted a sense of community, over-arching purpose, and spiritual connection to people. I was drawn to Catholicism through its rich and long history (I never had that as an evangelical!), it's connection to the saints, it's connection to people around the world, and it's connection to people who have died. I would be lying if I said I wasn't still drawn to that idea of connection.
But then I remember the ridiculousrules, the idea that the all powerful God of the universe can't heal an amputee but will punish me for masturbating, and I remember that I can't fall in line again. At least not easily or happily.
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"Believe in me or burn and be punished for all eternity." Doesn't sound like a very loving father
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There is no belief. It's a lack of belief. And there has never been a single piece of evidence that any of it is real. Watching people constantly thank some invisible man for helping them in their daily lives while children die of cancer is ridiculous, and keeps it all in perspective.
THE QUESTIONS NEVER END![rebelmouse-image 18353034 is_animated_gif=
Even from a young age, I never understood why people believe in God. I would ask questions, but never got any answers. After a while, I came to understand that there were no answers.
Therapists Explain Which 'Weird Confessions' Many Patients Are Afraid To Share That're Actually Quite Normal
There is no shame.
That is rule number one when in therapy.
We all share more in common mentally than we care to admit.
So don't be afraid of your truth.
A therapist can't help if you're too weirded out to talk it out.
Redditor Music-and-wine wanted to hear what some therapists thoughts about our wildest issues.
"Therapists, what is something people are afraid to tell you because they think it's weird, but that you've actually heard a lot of times before?"
I think everything I think is weird. So... no shocking here.
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"I have heard some variant of 'This is probably weird, but I feel if I am my true self around others then they won't like me' more times than I can count. As I explore the formative situations to this belief alongside my clients it definitely pulls at my heart strings."
Brush them off...
"Intrusive thoughts. Nearly everyone has thoughts about pushing the old lady onto the subway train, swerving into opposing traffic, or stabbing their loved one in the stomach while cooking dinner with them. Some folks, however, take these thoughts very serious that believe that they might act them out. It's called thought-action-fusion. Most of us are able to brush them off, though."
"I'd say a common one is believing that there's something innately, irreparably wrong with them that makes them unable to ever truly 'fit in.' For a lot of people it's such a deeply ingrained belief that it can be extremely painful to acknowledge or express, regardless of the level of personal success in their lives."
On the Daily
"That they don't like their family members, are angry/want to stop communication with their parents etc. I work in a country which Is more culturally collectivist, so not wanting anything to do with your parents makes you an a**hole in the current cultural sense."
"We deal with this almost on a daily basis. There is deep and profound shame in this and when we find that line of 'oh, it might be that your parents are toxic to your mental well being/trigger your trauma' many of my clients actually get visibly angry with me."
"Cultural psychology is so important, cause when I first moved here I had my American/European hat on, oh boy, did I need to adjust."
So far it's agreed. We all need help.
"Clients become quite fearful of admitting that they weren't successful since the last time they had a session. This could include not succeeding in using a coping skill that they're learning about, or not being able to complete a homework assignment I gave them. Humans aren't robots, and therapy is a lot of work."
"That being said, I don't expect people to be perfect as they start to work on themselves in a positive way. It takes time to really commit to change, especially in relation to trauma or conflicted views that an individual holds. I feel as if the client doesn't want to let me down as their therapist, but these 'failure' events are just as important to talk about as successful moments!'
"Usually it’s sex related. Shame about their desires or kinks is common. Gender questioning is another. Some people are ashamed of things they did in childhood or adolescence, haven’t ever told anyone and think the team will be horrified. We have heard everything. Everything. I’m always compassionate and always understand why we do the things we do. I’ve yet to have anyone bring something I can’t ‘get.'"
"Many of my clients lived through severe childhood trauma and neglect. They had no one to model or explain healthy emotions or to show them appropriate ways to react to stress, fear, anger, etc. Most often they’ll describe a completely normal reaction to a stressor and then follow that up with 'I don’t know if that’s normal.' These are adults who were exposed to so much dysfunction during their formative years that they don’t know whether it’s normal to cry when they’re anxious or afraid, feel angry when their boundaries have been violated, etc."
"Hidden sexual dreams and fantasies about family members. More common than people think, and often stays that way and doesn't really interfere in the person's close relationships unless they allow it. Many things we dream or think are unconscious and involuntary, and the root of such things is often nonsensical."
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"Women often feel really ashamed when they tell me they are burnt out on being a parent or that they never want to have kids. I wish all of them knew how common this thought is."
Therapy is rough, but so helpful. Below are some resources to utilize if necessary.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/
Straight Men Share The Strangest Things They've Been Told Not To Do Because They're Considered 'Gay'
When will the madness and bullying stop?
Gay people do all the "normal" things the rest of you do.
Straight people do things gay people do.
Except of course... being gay.
Gay people play sports.
Straight people like musicals.
It's a whacky world, friends.
Redditor The_WereArcticFox wanted to hear from all the straight boys out there about the times they've been censored in life.
"Straight men of Reddit, what is the strangest thing you have been told not to do because 'that's gay?'"
FYI... you can be straight and love Adele, Beyoncé and Madonna. In case you didn't know.
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"Not me but a friend was seen as effeminate because he was into sewing. I'm sorry, but the manliest man trait on the planet is practicality, and sewing is one of the most practical skills to have at literally any point in history."
"I was engaged, and my co-workers knew I was engaged to a woman. I was at some sort of work thing, and started talking to a guy who was obviously gay. We started talking about philosophy, and I thought he was a cool guy. I was just like hey, if I ever read 'X book' that we were talking about, I'd love to discuss it with you over coffee or something, but I might not read it anytime soon."
"I'd just graduated college, where getting coffee with someone didn't mean anything, and you just did it if you wanted to have a conversation with them. Apparently everyone thought I asked the dude out. I guess I see where they're coming from, but I just wanted to talk about Wittgenstein with someone who'd read him should I ever read him."
"When I was in 8th grade, i got a solid beat down for wearing a plain purple t-shirt. Apparently only gay guys do that. YEARS later i found out I was gay for liking guys, turns out it had nothing to do with my shirt. Who woulda thunk?"
Feel the Pain
"I was taking prescription strength painkillers after surgery. My friend had come over to check on me. Her boyfriend (ex) thought it was gay to take painkillers and told me to be a man."
"My brother thinks taking painkillers is gay too. I have no idea why but he will suffer a migraine instead of taking an aspirin."
"He sounds abusive. My friend had a bf like that he wouldn't let her take painkillers when on her period. Something about painkillers makes you weaker."
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"I played the clarinet."
"I played the clarinet. I did it because the chicks playing flute were hawt. And dudes don't play flutes. Cause that's gay."
Knowing any instrument is a great skill.
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"I had a girlfriend that started laughing when I crossed my legs because that’s hella gay. And it was like the full straight guy spread out T leg cross."
"Apparently going out for Mexican and margaritas with your pal. No one said it directly, but the waitress gave us a complimentary dessert for 2 and said happy anniversary... free dessert is free dessert, I guess."
"I also went to a Mexican restaurant as well with a friend and the waitress treated us like a waitress would treat my and my GF she definitely thought we were gay. Guess I'm the top in the relationship since the bill was placed in front of me."
"Wear pink or similar colours, although it definitely is my color."
"Yep, got made fun of a lot for wearing pink, purple, yellow, teal, etc. I look damn good in them though, especially in summer where I get really tan."
"Just want to say that I do wear pink and other similar colors despite what people say, no need to be supportive, also cheers for the upvotes."
Oh what a time...
"80s kid here. Anything involving showing emotion is gay. Wearing any clothing that isn't muted is gay. Stating that something is cute is gay. Getting excited about hobbies is gay. Calling your guy friends to talk is gay. Crying is gay. Airing grievances of everyday life is gay. Washing your butthole is gay. Shaving anything other than your face and neck is gay."
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"Eating bananas, hot dogs, popsicles, string cheese, using a straw, hugging other men, touching feminine hygiene products. This is the one that kills me; letting your 3 yo daughter do your hair, makeup and nails."
Wow. We really need some therapy because all of these acts are just human behavior.
Wear pink. Eat popsicles. And enjoy being comfortable in your sexuality, whatever that may be.
I've always enjoyed jobs sans creepy side effects.
Work can be hard enough.
Besides, I've waited too many tables to deal with anymore drama.
Isolated jobs are always spotlighted on true crime shows.
Give me some light and an annoying group of tourists.
Or shall we say... witnesses.
Redditor shafaatkhan007 wanted to hear about all the scary moments that have occurred:
"Redditors who work at remote places like forest officers, oil rig workers, etc, what creepy things have you noticed while at work?"
I don't even camp. No forest for me.
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"I used to work out in the woods in Florida a lot. Creepiest thing would be this day we were working near Big Cypress, tromping thru the brush all day."
"At the end of the day my coworker and I do a quick drive thru of some of the property and realize the place was absolutely infested with water moccasins. We had been unknowingly essentially walking around a giant water moccasin pit all day. That one kinda f**ked me up."
"I worked at a public forest. One day we had someone report a dead animal on the side of one of our trails. A few of us from the front desk hiked out to see what it was. It looked like a giant peice of... liver maybe? Just a pile of smooth red meat...no blood around. And it was wrapped up in a t shirt, with some coins scattered around it."
"We called our rangers to go check it out, and one of them was pretty sure it was a placenta. The weird part is, you have to check in thru a front desk. So someone either snuck a placenta/liver in or gave live birth/removed an organ on our trails. We never got an answer on what the pile of meat was, how it got there, or why."
We felt pretty dumb...
"I do a lot of stream work so I spend time out in pretty rural areas walking streams and rivers. Once my coworker and I were working in a more urban environment and came across what we initially thought was a body - which of course triggered 'Oh sh*t!!' from us - but it ended up being a firefighter's dummy that had fallen down a hill. We felt pretty dumb."
"Other notable things include a small grave in the middle of nowhere for someone's dog (pretty sad), and a stuffed rabbit with shotgun shells placed where its eyes should be, a mannequin very purposely placed in a chair in the middle of the woods, and lots of little random alters."
"I also did work in Myrtle Beach (what a hell hole) and accidentally walked into an inhabited homeless camp. I was peering into a stormwater grate when I looked up and saw a homeless person standing in his shelter staring at us and saying nothing. I felt like I was trespassing so we quietly left."
Built in China...
"On our drill ship that was built in China, we noticed on the drawings there was a room. We went to look at it and couldn't find an entrance but the spacing was obvious there was an extra room. It might not sound so creepy unless you've been in these shipyards where two things are known to happen: stowaways, although I doubt it in this case, but also hundreds of workers at any given time following orders blindly."
"So we confirmed that the room had all six sides, yet not a single weld on the outside. There is only one way this could've happened and I'm sure you're starting to get it now. They must have welded from the inside for this room and then realized they had no way out upon completion if the gasses didn't kill them first."
"Its' extremely heavy around that room. People say they hear things. I have definitely. This isn't some old ship either. I rode this ship from China to Amsterdam after completion and then the maiden voyage to America. I guess it happens quick."
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"I've been fishing out in the gulf of Mexico where they have some oil rigs. This rig wasn't being used (from what we knew) so we would get pretty close to it to fish for red snapper."
"While we were out there, we could have sworn we heard screams of a woman over and over. It was some crap but the explanation was the wind making the noises as it blew through the rig. Well, that's what we were told but it totally creeped us the f**k out."
Those oil rigs are dangerous. I couldn't handle that.
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"I work as a polar bear guard. As in, I escort people across tundra and mountains and protect them from polar bears. I once saw a snowman totem with reindeer antlers coming out of his head. It was deformed, full of bullet holes and rather creepy."
"My mom used to live in a small town in the cascade mountains and worked as a forest ranger. The creepiest thing that happened was when the oldest male ranger kept hitting on her and trying to get her to come home with him, not very out of the ordinary, but many years later after she’d left the town she found out he had been convicted of manslaughter and had killed a young female ranger right before she got hired. She would have probably been his next target."
"Some friends and I were fishing a small pond just after dark for catfish. We started to hear sounds coming off the water like someone throwing softball sized rocks, but they were coming from all over the pond. We thought someone was messing with us and we called out a few times for them to stop, but we eventually got freaked out and left."
"Cut to a few years later, I’m fishing a different pond and hear the same sound. Turns out it was a beaver slapping it’s tail on the water to drive me from it’s territory. When beavers become problems in rivers, they relocate them to ponds in town."
When in the Gulf
"I used to work in the Gulf of Mexico on oil rigs for years, and it may not exactly be creepy, but I found it really unsettling. In deep, open water, the water itself is really clear, so everyone can plainly see all the tuna and barracudas hanging around the rig waiting for the onboard cook to throw off whatever food waste he needs to. Every once in a while a huge great white shark would swim up from underneath and snatch a tuna and it really took like less than a second. They're really scary."
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"I work off a secluded/Wooded area here in Texas."
"Every now and again when I finish with a job site, I’ll pop into the head office. It’s the creepiest feeling at night, mostly no light and I’ve seen a bobcat a couple of times. The kicker is... the walls are all glass, so when I have the light on inside... I know I’m being watched by someone or something."
Don't work in the quiet places. Or at least be near cell reception.
Too many times I've sat in a job interview and knew in my gut I should be running for the door.
I'm not alone in this experience.
I didn't take all of those jobs, but I took more than I should've.
I never give my gut and the red flags enough credit.
That's why I work from home now with two dogs.
And even that isn't drama-free.
Redditor pbourree wanted to hear about the times they had an eerie feeling about the place they were thinking about working at.
"What are subtle red flags at a job interview that say 'working here would suck?'"
I once went on an interview that turned into a therapy/meditation session.
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"They told me all about their generous severance packages. In the initial interview. Turnover city."
sparks in their eyes...
"I always ask about training and learning curves. Every job I’ve had that went wrong- I notice that when that question came up they stumbled. The current job I have, when I asked the question they had sparks in their eyes as they explained the whole process from day 1 of shadowing to the transition to working solo. And even when Covid hit they managed to continue without skipping a beat."
"'Well, the overtime isn't mandatory, but most folks stick around after hours most days.'"
"Spoilers: The overtime is mandatory."
"The most terrifying thing is that in any places, the managers won't even need to encourage/threaten you to work overtime. Your coworkers will shame you for 'leaving early' if you leave right when your working time is over."
"'Overtime isn't mandatory. By the way, remember your performance review is coming up.'"
"Was interviewed by a Senior programmer and the department head. The department head was continuously making condescending remarks towards the other interviewer. Poor guy just sounded broken. Hope he's somewhere else now."
"Years ago I was told by a manager that he needed some help with a technical interview. This manager was not especially skilled, so I ended up conducting the interview. When it was the time for goodbye the candidate offered me his business card and the manager commented in front of him with 'funny how he's given his business card to you, when you are basically irrelevant.' I could see the guy cringing so hard at that point and he was obviously right."
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"Besides always hiring, they seem almost overly eager to say, 'Yes, we could do that!' to everything you ask. No job will have literally everything you want, and if your gut is telling you they seem to be promising a bit more than they can offer, they likely are."
All I can say is "Been there/done that!" I've been on all of these interviews.
"My favorite is 'there's a lot of people waiting in line to work here, count yourself lucky. Huge red flag."
The Final Capper
"I had an interview once, the owner of the company told me he was going to hire me, let the man in the office train me, then fire that man once I was up to speed. He also told me that sometimes employees have to hold their paycheck. And the final capper, (not that I needed it, I had already decided not to work for him) was he told me I looked like his nephew. I am female."
"Once an interviewer straight up asked me if I had any trouble working for free on weekends... I told them my free time is more valuable than anything and that the only way that I would work a weekend is if they are paying me and if I felt like working a weekend. She got really mad at me and ended the interview right away. Biggest red flag I’ve ever seen because they didn’t even try to hide it."
What we Expect!
"We cater lunch and dinner for our whole team! Sounds like a positive, but what it means is, 'We expect you to be working past dinnertime hours, and there will be a lot of social pressure to never leave, and to socialize with the team well past working hours. We don't understand that anyone might want a life outside of work.'"
Less of a problem now, hopefully, but in the tech bro heyday, this was super common."
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"At my current job, after my interview the manager said ‘just don’t get involved in the staff drama and you’ll be fine.' It has not been fine."
Go with your gut. You always know at hello.
We all need a paycheck but we don't need that much drama to go with it.
Do you have similar red flags to share? Let us know in the comments below.