I love movies. And as a writer I love characters even more. That's why it drives me up a wall when a film has a character, specifically a villain that serves no purpose or development or story. Every second given to a character we don't need takes away from the reasons we're all watching to begin with. Sometimes the villain is within, or it's existential. Save money on casting.Redditor u/syngedsyringe wanted to discuss which films have an overload of characters by asking... What movie has an unnecessary conflict or villain?
For instance, recently, Wonder Woman 1984. Where to begin? We didn't need both villains. Now don't get me wrong Pedro Pascal and Kristen Wiig were great but... we only needed one, for now. They could've built up one as the big bad for this film and laid the groundwork for the other to be the baddie for the following sequel. Just a thought.
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Mulan 2020.The witch really killed it. (bAd)
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales. Seriously, what was the point of the Royal Navy in that movie, other than getting Henry and Carina to meet?
We recently watched the whole series, except 4 cause that one is pure sh*t, on D+. There's a definite drop in quality after the original trilogy was over. And what a waste of David Wenham, he's in like 3 scenes before Javiers ship eats his.
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
This was the first movie I've ever seen that had an ending that genuinely made me mad. We've already seen 4 movies that demonstrate that dinosaurs in the modern world are a bad idea. The problem could've been so easily fixed, but hey we need a sequel.
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The Joker in Suicide Squad. The movie itself is crap, but he really served no purpose. He was so hyped up prior to and then he was basically cut from most of the movie and we were given a generic villain and some sky beams.
We didn't need Palpatine in episode 9.
The entire sequel trilogy was just not thought out, but even then Episode 9 IMO is the worst because it just feels like JJ scoured the net for every possible fan theory and thought "how can I cram them all in here at once". I also feel like, regardless of people's thoughts on TLJ as a whole, the concept that the hero could just be somebody from nowhere is way better than "somehow, Palpatine survived and you're his granddaughter".
Also, it kinda betrays Palpatine's character for him to be indiscriminately destructive on a galaxy-wide scale. He's evil, but his whole plan to gain power was by being a legitimate head of state and convincing the galaxy they'd be safer with his form of order. The Final Order is literally just Palpatine... destroying the galaxy which serves no purpose for him. It's like if they tested the Death Star by shooting every planet at once. There's no galaxy to subjugate if everyone's dead.
I concur on all of these statements. Jared Leto is fabulous but his Joker was... well I'll save my comments and be kind. He did the job he was hired to do. It's not his fault the job was superfluous. And all these others? Wasted screen time. Let's see who else can go...
Not so Sunny
Sunshine. What I loved so much about the first two acts was that there was no villain, it was just the characters having to face the consequences for their understandable, human mistakes as they realized that their journey has turned into a suicide mission.
Then they just completely shift in the 3rd act, introduce an almost supernatural villain and go into full-on B-movie slasher mode. I get the symbolism they were going for but the way they handled it just hurt the movie so much for me.
At the end of "Pay It Forward," when the kid stabs the main kid. I recall the movie being perfectly wrapped up, they could have rolled the end credits, but then they just open a scene where the main kid is walking and gets stabbed by another kid. It didn't add anything to the plot or story development or anything, seemed to just be a tearjerker to plug in there for some extra drama points.
Not a movie, but "Orange is the new Black". Piper just had to sit in there for 18 months, but then she started trying to sell underwear and crap. I stopped watching after that.
Fant4stic. All of the conflicts and villains were unnecessary. Doctor Doom had no effect on the story. He was just there so they could give the audience some sort of pay off for sitting for hours waiting. The whole issue between The Thing and Mr. Fantastic could have been the point of the movie and if it were I might have had a good time, but because they draw so much attention to it without resolving it or going deep into it, it was very unnecessary. The entire movie is unnecessary now that I think about it.
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The recent Mary Poppins movie had a villain that just didn't need to exist. The first film had an antagonist which was the bank.
There was an antagonist, but it wasn't a villain. The difference being that an antagonist is simply someone who opposes the protagonist in ideals or in some other form. A villain is someone who actively goes against the protagonist and is a threat in some way shape or form. Every story needs an antagonist, but not every story needs a villain.
Yes. Yes and yes. Erase them all. Some of these films were already too long. And the others you can tell the writers were at a loss for an idea. Next time... focus on the needs of the story guys.
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Art is essential way society learns and moves and evolves. Often times people can look to or quote films, books and tv shows that opened their eyes to change and made realize the meaning of empathy, particularly films. But some movies are flat out wreaking havoc on the psyche. I'm looking at you Disney. From Bambi's mother to Ariel giving up her gifts for a man. Some of their "advice" is off the rails. For instance....
Redditor u/WeeklySubject wanted to discuss the times Disney has left the wrong impression by asking.... What's the worst lesson we can learn from a Disney movie?
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Rats in a professional kitchen are OK.
Myself and all the other chefs/cooks I know love that movie for how realistic it is in so many ways, right down the to the pan burns on Collette's arm. But for true realism she should've punched him in the freaking mouth.
Just think of the happiest things, and jump off the building. Yay.
Evil people look evil.
Hans was an intelligent and manipulative character. Kinda sexy. He had a plan, adapted well to radically changed circumstances, and very nearly took over the whole kingdom over the span of 24 hours. He only got caught because he couldn't resist the temptation to villain monologue... but what Disney character can?
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Your toys are alive and resent you for giving them away.
Aladdin taught me that a legitimate government was a thing you could fake with a really good parade.
This bothered me since I was a kid. Aladdin said he "wasn't a real prince" and all we see the genie do is arrange a parade with a bunch of people who all seem to disappear as soon as the parade is over. But Aladdin didn't wish for a fake parade to pad out a long con. He wished to be a prince.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame teaches that if you're ugly, you might find acceptance, but you won't find love. Love is for the attractive characters.m
To be fair though the novel is actually waaayyy worse. Phoebus takes Esmeralda's virginity then ditches her. She ends up being hung as a witch. Quasimodo burns the church killing the priest and then disappears. Sooo... Disney's version is a little less dark.
For the Boys
Disobey your father, sell your soul to a witch, all to hook up with some guy you've never spoken to that's a completely different species and would eat your closest friends for dinner.
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Instead of owing up to your mistake, just put the entire kingdom to sleep until it's fixed.
Beware the Love
All the princess movies, minus Frozen, Brave, Moana, and The Princess and the Frog: The person you instantly fall in love with is your soulmate and you should throw everything away to be with them. The only princess I can kind forgive for this is Cinderella considering her life at home was terrible, so she wasn't losing everything by running off with the prince.
So many people I know personally have done the same thing and gotten themselves into really bad situation/abusive relationships.
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Also don't talk to strangers. Unless strangers are hot. Then talk to strangers.
Beauty and the Beast: You had better trust the woman disguised as an old lady.
Looks and $$$
A rich and handsome man will come and take your helpless butt away from all of your troubles.
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My husband's favorite movie is beauty and the beast and every time after we watch it he takes off all of his clothes and he pretends that he is the beast and he runs around the house terrorizing me.
If you're not born into power, marry for it.
A lot of people (mainly women) waste their lives away thinking that marrying a rich or powerful man will one day solve all their problems, when the vast majority will never even date one.
2 better than 1
Ralph 2 = Go turbo for your personal benefits and as the president, abandon all your citizens and abandon your best friends while you're at it.
This is referring to Vanellope.
And that is one of many reasons why I hate Wreck it Ralph 2. It took everything Wreck it Ralph 1 established and threw it all away.
I dunno. But, all the dead moms makes me feel like Disney feels some type a way about mothers.
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You fall in love with the random man who kissed while you were sleeping.
Never. Trust. Anyone. Even. If. They. Are. Family.
You can lift anything with enough balloons.
Everything worked the way a kid thinks it would. If they had changed it for realism at any point it would have broken the whole vibe.
But I'm also biased because that movie is just SO RIDICULOUSLY GOOD.
If you fall for a woman, the best way to get her to love you is to kidnap her until Stockholm Syndrome sets in. Maybe give her some hallucinogenic drugs so that she thinks that the furniture and serving wear are alive and singing to her and dancing with her.
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All animals speak fluent English.
They aren't speaking English. It's just being translated for the benefit of the audience.
In Lady and the Tramp, there was a scene where they were walking around the zoo after hours, talking to the animals. They went up to the monkey cage but all they got from them was monkey chatter because "they must be too closely related to humans."
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Heroes aren't always the most interesting characters in a story.
in fact, a piece of the recipe that makes an interesting overall story is a villain that isn't completely horrible. There's something about them that draws you to them.
Sometimes, you even end up liking these villains better.
Here were some of those answers.
LazyTown Ain't So Lazy
My name is Robby Rotten. I'm 43 years old. My house is in the northeast section of lazy town, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the villian villain department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning.
Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.
To Protect The World From Devastation
Team Rocket. They deserve something for being so dedicated. They've been chasing after the same Pikachu for over 20 years!
Dick Dastardly from the wacky races. The only time he actually won a race he was disqualified because of slow motion footage showing him extending the nose of his vehicle to do so, which is greatly unfair because when the lumberjack did something similar in a previous episode (by stretching his neck to put himself in front) he wasn't disqualified for doing so.
Hector was the actual hero in The Iliad. He fought Achilles knowing he was fighting basically a demi-god so there was no chance to win. But he did it anyway to protect his (complete idiot) little brother and his home.
Achilles was given literal cheat codes to fighting and was still vain, arrogant and selfish.
The Time Ahead
Roy in Blade Runner.
The replicants are literally just trying to survive - every act of violence by them is defensive except the for deaths of Tyrell and Sebastian. And even those killings are somewhat warranted given the two of them are deeply responsible for creating a literal slave undercaste.
TLDR: Blade runner portrays a failed slave uprising.
Keep This Park Open
Jurassic Park. I'm not sure if they were the bad guys, I wanted the park to win and keep the dinosaurs contained. I just wanted a movie where the plot just followed people around the park and park employees said things like "Looks like we've had a power failure in the dino electric fence! Oh good the emergency power kicked in. Send maintenance down to check it out". Turns out it was just a bad sensor that needed to be replaced.
Okay, I GET It
General Hummel, from "The Rock"
Dude's actions were extreme, but he was doing it for the right reasons. He and his men did clandestine operations for the US military, and when his men did their job, fought, died for their country, the country then turned their back and didn't provide the benefits for the men and their families.
I wish the government would have just paid what they owed, and fixed the situation from the jump.
Yeah, We Did Too
I didn't really root for him, but I sympathized with Erik Killmonger in Black Panther. That "the child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth" image kinda got to me.
Elementary, My Dear Watson
Moriarty from the Sherlock TV show. Why did he just suicide himself? Utter waste of a great character. I hoped he would succeed at his plan.
Poor Old Man
The Ice King in Adventure Time. Yeah, he's up there with Bowser on being a princess kidnapper, but if the episode Princess Monster Wife was anything to go by, he's just a sweet old man who wants companionship.
A complex villain is always more interesting than a one-sided evil that has no underlying motivation.
Sometimes, the villains are even sort of in the right--the heroes keep the peace for the sake of keeping the peace, but are they really doing the right thing? Or would the villain have been better winning?
Here were some of those answers.
Ed Harris's character in The Rock. Ex-vet wanted a decent funeral for some of his fallen comrades plus I think a 100 mil in compensation for their families
Spoiler alert: the president said no
Who Went First
The Machines in the Matrix.
The Second Renaissance showed that it was humans who struck first and tried to destroy the sentient Machines once they became intelligent. The Machines removed themselves from society and created their own city 1-0 in the middle of the desert to try to allay human fears but it still didn't work.
Humans were the aggressors. The Machines wanted to protect themselves.
And the Machines are not even evil. Instead of just exterminating humans or chopping off their heads and using their bodies as batteries they took the trouble to create a massive virtual world for us. They even tried making it a Paradise at first (according to Agent Smith) but we rejected it so they went more realistic.
Protecting Your Kind
Magneto. Having been a Holocaust survivor, it makes a lot of sense to not want to see the people you identify with once again persecuted for the circumstances of their birth.
Luke Castellan from Percy Jackson. His motivation was that the gods didn't pay enough attention to their kids (himself included) and wanted the gods and Camp Half-Blood to recognize the children of the minor gods.
When American Healthcare Is The Real Villain
Sandman from Spider-Man 3. He just wanted a chance to see his dying daughter before she died. The only reason he robbed places was the get enough money to find treatment for her. He accidentally killed uncle Ben, and felt really bad about it, to the point where it haunted him.
For The Greater Good
He has literally, like without a shadow of a doubt seen every single outcome of every single decision he has or will ever make. And the only way humanity survives is if he rules them and takes them on a certain path.
Yet the fantastic four keep on beating his ass down.
His rule isn't even that bad, even in the context of 'a great leap forward.' The FF just don't like him because he's just a power hungry single leader and being that and ruling the earth has historically been bad. But you know what all those other populist leaders didn't have? LITERAL DEMONSTRABLE CLAIRVOYANCE AND SUPER INTELLIGENCE.
My Life Is Over
Zemo from Captain America Civil War. Superhero battle kills everyone he cares about, destroys his city and sets his country back to the Stone Age. Then they just go home. Zemo targeted the avengers and set them up to turn on each other. A man with no powers was able to beat the Avengers.
He saw the lies that were being spread, the fact that those in charge were harming humanity, and wanted to make a change which, okay put him in charge, but also lead to actual change for the people.
Also, Captain Hammer is a jerk.
The EPA guy in Ghostbusters was just trying to make sure their weird new technology was safe but the quippy nerds refused to comply. Turns out they didn't even have a backup generator for if it ever got unplugged.
Javier Bardem's character in Skyfall. Betrayed and abandoned by his own country, and subjected to years of torture. Hell, the same thing happened to Bond at the beginning of Die Another Day, but MI6 eventually got him back whereas they just forgot Silva existed.
Who doesn't love a good, complex villain? If you don't have a good villain, then you can't find a way to root for the good guys. The villains are often misunderstood and if maybe someone would give them a hug once and awhile... the world could be a lot safer, like for real.