As much as there is an allure of living in small towns, there seems to be just as much mystery.
There is a sense of security in knowing that someone has your back.
But on the same token, as is typically depicted in movies, small towns have their fair share of nefarious activity that those in the know are sweeping under the rug to maintain their town's good name.
Curious to hear about bizarre cases that don't always make mainstream news headlines, Redditor descended_from_apes asked:
"Small Town Redditors, what's the weirdest unsolved crime in your town, old or new?"
Not all mysteries involve unsolved murders but are just as baffling
A Crime In The Turd-Degree
"Nowhere near the scale of disappearing children or Nazi collaborators, but my hometown's biggest mystery is who keeps sh**ting in the holes at the golf course."
"Person has been doing it for more than 20 years. Every 2-3 months, there's a hole that's been pooped in."
"I found out my grandma played cards with the mob in a liquor store basement. I was reading a news article on a cold case from the former owner disappearing for an English assignment and my grandma kinda just frowned, told me she used to play cards with him and never payed his debts."
House On Fire
"Not exactly 'small town', but small compared to the region. There was a house that burned down 3 times in the span of a decade. I remember hearing lots of rumors about divorces and revenge, gang activity, being cursed. Not sure if it was ever solved."
When Children Played No More
"In 2003 in my hometown, someone decided to burn down a playground. This was in a very small rural town. The nearest playground aside from that one was 15 miles away. This playground was decent sized too, and I believe it was made possible by a donation from someone in town. It was mostly wood with rubberized mesh, steel bars, and large plastic slides."
"Nobody ever figured out who did it."
Unsolved missing persons cases like the ones mentioned below must be pure torture for family members.
"Happened this year."
"A man rented a room at a guest house. When he left the host went to go clean/ prepare the room for the next occupant."
"The room was covered in blood. In the shower there was a chair with a pool of blood-it is assumed the person died in the chair."
"So the baffling part is that there is a camera trained in the room's door. The man entered and left alone without a speck of blood on him."
"The authorities assumed the blood belonged to a woman whose chopped-up body was found in a nearby damm. Blood tests came back and it doesn't."
"1973: My 4th grade buddy, Guy Heckle, disappeared during a boy scout camping trip. They found his coat, that was all. Not another clue after all these years."
The Bar Patron
"Man got kicked out of a bar 3 years ago this December and went missing. Nobody has come forward with tips at all. He went missing from a fairly busy part of town too."
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"My cousin, TJ Davison was abducted from a car in 1985 and has still yet to be found. He was 4 years old at the time. (Decatur, IL)"
And sometimes, when the bodies turn up, their identities can remain forever a mystery.
In Deep Trouble
"Where I grew up they found a dude who was buried under the cement in a building, no history or information about him. It's clear that he got into some deep trouble with someone."
Remains In A Lake
"About 15 years ago. A town near where I grew up drained a man made lake that was used for recreational swimming. This particular year they decided to drain the whole thing to do a clean up. They discovered an intact skeleton that had been sitting at the bottom of the lake for something like 50 years based on the class ring that was still on the skeleton. From my understanding this person had never been reported missing or anything."
"Two bodies were found on my island in SE Asia in the last 24 hours. One was found in the jungle after being there for a year in an apparent motorbike accident the other washed up on the beach."
What's In The Barrel
"There was an old story that during prohibition a big barrel showed up at the post office, addressed to someone no one knew. It was obviously filled with alcohol."
"When the time to pick up expired and it was still there, it was tapped to find whisky inside. It was enjoyed by many, but when it was gone, it was still quite heavy."
"So they opened it up to discover a dead body."
– Dudeinairport ·
Some of the saddest cases involve the deaths of a newborn.
"Back in 1903 a local woman poisoned many members of her family, including a baby over a few months. She served time and died but never really admit to a motive. One theory is that she really liked attending irish funerals."
"About 30yrs ago a refuse worker found the badly burned body of an 18 month old boy amongst the bags and recycling. Forensics deduced that due to the condition of his liver he'd died less than a week before his body was found."
"Hospital and medical records were used to establish that nobody in the county was missing a child."
"He doesn't have a name on his gravestone."
"Edit: it was in Cumbria, England."
"The police likely didn't retain a DNA sample, or we might have heard something about familial DNA by now.The local police aren't very good - look up the case of Poppi Worthington as an example."
"Most local people assume he died of SIDS, then his parents panicked and tried to conceal his body. Whoever did it must have had an element of local knowledge in order to know where to put the corpse."
A Proper Burial
"There is a street in my city called Park Ave. It's a very small city, mostly blue collar."
"In 2005, a newborn baby boy was found dead near a factory on Park Ave. Doctors could tell he was born alive and likely lived for a few hours before he died. I don't know if he was abandoned (left to die) or killed in some way; that info was never released. Police made a statement saying please come forward, we want to help you bury this child properly."
"The mother sent an anonymous letter to the police station two weeks later, and said she would come to the station soon. The letter didn't explain the circumstances, but it did say she was afraid."
"She never came forward. The baby was named 'Baby Parker' and money was raised to give him a proper burial. People still leave gifts at his grave."
Thanks to horror movies, small towns get a bad rep.
Under the veneer of warm hospitality and kindness lies an unsettling sense of discomfort.
Are the denizens covering up a murder committed by one of their own? Or was there a grifter who dumped a body in their unassuming town and fled the scene?
In the game of life, no one gets out alive. But hopefully, your life's journey won't end in a small town.
Us plebeians often think of celebrities as faraway people who remain untouched by the stresses and difficulties of average life.
But there is a different way we can view the spectacular aspects of celebrity lives.
In some cases, the life stories of famous musicians, artists, and actors are overshadowed by the even more spectacular ways those lives ended.
A recent Reddit thread explored those tragic deaths.
Redditor oozingmachismo asked:
"What celebrity suffered the worst death?"
Many Redditors talked about the celebrities who struggled with painful, tragic medical difficulties throughout their lives.
When Hugeness Hurts
"Andre The Giant was pretty bad. Poor guy was in pain all his life because he just never stopped growing. That scene in Princess Bride where he catches Robin Wright? He literally couldn't do it. They had to have her in a harness or something and lower her into his arms."
"And he was still wrestling on top of everything else. He died only a few days after going home to his father's funeral."
"People always tout his drinking ability, being able to knock back over a hundred beers in a single sitting, or 4-5 bottles of wine with dinner, but he drank to numb the pain."
One Thing After Another
"Daniel von Bargen who most people recognize from Seinfeld, Supertroopers, or Malcolm in the Middle. He had diabetes and had to have a limb amputated."
"Depressed, he shot himself in the temple, but survived and lived another three years. Just a really rough end for a beloved character actor."
A Terrifying Rarity
"Manute Bol, NBA player. Died of a disease (Stevens-Johnson Syndrome) where your skin slowly sloughs off your body."
Other people shared the stories of famous people who died in sudden, freak accidents. These were often lives cut shorter than they otherwise would have been, and in the most gruesome possible way.
On the Other Side of the Glass
"F1 driver Roger Williamson. Motor racing is dangerous, but most deaths are quick."
"Williamson flipped his car and it caught fire, back then none of the marshals were adequately trained or equipped in dealing with this situation."
"Fellow driver David Purley tried to save him but even with his fireproof gear couldn't get close enough. Roger burned/asphyxiated to death only feet away from multiple people who were powerless to help."
"The video is online, but it's horrific to watch."
"Kirsty MacColl. She was swimming with her children and a powerboat came towards her son. She managed to push him out the way. She was not so lucky."
"What makes it worse is the man who killed her paid 1,034 pesos to get out of jail"
Unable to Escape
"Swedish jazzlegend Monica Zetterlund died when her apartment caught fire."
"She was unable to get out since she was in a wheelchair due to severe problems with scoliosis."
The Danger of Scarves
"Isadora Duncan, a famous dancer back in the early 1900s used to wear long flowing scarves and drive a convertible. In 1927 her scarf got caught in the real wheel of her car, pulling her from the car and breaking her neck."
"My grandmother always told us kids to be careful wearing scarves. We thought she was crazy."
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Others discussed the celebrities who died at the hands of another human being. These murders are, of course, well-known.
But their mentioning reminds us how shocking it was all over again.
And It Was On His Birthday
"Marvin Gaye was shot dead by his own dad." -- Ronaldo_McDonaldo81
"Then my mom changed the station and someone else was announcing it on another station. And crying." -- NotDaveBut
A Struggle the Whole Time
"Probably the death of Judith Barsi from The Land Before Time is the worst I know. Shot in the head by her own father after being abused all her life."
"She was 10 years old."
A Famous Case
"Everyone else listed on here died horrible but mostly quick deaths. Tate was literally begging for her life as she was being murdered."
These deaths were tragic, whether we knew or were fans of the person or not. At the end of the day, these lives ended with pain, they ended too short, or they were ended unjustifiably.
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For all the crime or mystery shows people watch perhaps the scariest instances are the tragedies that happen in real life. The most startling thing is while many murderers display red flags, a large amount tend to be seemingly nice people. Criminologists have found that in domestic-violence-related homicide in particular the perpetrator tends to employ an outwardly charming, charisma-filled act as part of their method.
Have you ever met a murderer? It leaves you feeling gross. There was one murderer in our small wooded town that I met a few different times. He was a business owner of a run down pawn shop and the apartments above it since I could remember. Also since I could remember-dude was creepy.
As even teens if mom needed to run in to grab something like a cheap small appliance or movies we had to wait in the car. When older and working teens my sister had to deliver pizza there once. When she walked in the owner and a couple of guys hanging out there just stopped, then went "oh a wo-man!" and blank stared at her until she left.
We always heard the town rumor mill how he would rent to women in exchange for "favors" etc and he was on the state offender registry. You could just tell there was something wrong there. I personally only went inside the shop twice in my life and left quickly because of the odd atmosphere.
Years go by, the now old man is still running his increasingly rundown pawnshop and rentals and then BOOM police tape everywhere, scanners going crazy, his name is all over the news. Apparently after a conflict his older son went and confessed to helping his father clean up the crime scene.
This man had been involved with a woman and she had gone missing in 1998. No leads ever come about and people decided she must have runaway. It turns out that after a conflict the owner had murdered her cold blood. He then called his son to help him. He had dismembered her and burned her body in the furnace of the pawn shop.
He then continued to stay and work right there every day until he was convicted in 2013 of the henious crime.
While many red flags were noticed many of his oddities seemed to get brushed under the rug following the "poor people are crazy but people with money are just eccentric" rule while enjoying the privileges being a business owner in a tiny town offer.
Wanting to hear others encounter with real life monsters Rediitor White-cherries asked the online community:
"People who knew murders before they killed someone, what are some red flags you didn't notice at the time?"
The answers were plentiful and disturbing.
"He never had a sense of right/wrong.”
“My childhood friend killed his parents. His dad was my dad's best friend. Red flags? Drinking at an extremely young age, like 9."
“He never had a sense of right/wrong. Cruelty to animals. It reads like a profile of a future murderer. Heavy drug use did the rest of the work and he killed both of them for oxy."
“Since he was my friend, I guess I missed it all at the time. But my parents got me away from him with a quickness once I mentioned some things to them.“ andrewfnluck
The school bully...
“I went to school with three eventual murderers, but only one showed red flags to me. He was an extremely violent bully. He'd just attack people in the halls.”
“Trying to punch guys in the balls. Grab your nipple and twist. Punch kids in the arm or back. Typical bully stuff except he put everything into it. You wouldn't know he was even around and suddenly he was attacking you.”
“He murdered a classmate of ours who I really liked. It was in 7th grade and he beat him to death over a bag of pot. He was convicted of 2nd degree murder and was released 6 years later and has a long rap sheet.” GrandUnhappy9211
“So I went to a big university that had a weird close knit feel. There was this girl that I knew but I wasn't friends with. She was nice but very over the top bubbly, enthusiastic about EVERYTHING and super extroverted. She was just a little much for me. Good in very, very small doses.”
“She started dating this guy who was the opposite of her, shy, quiet, followed her around like a little puppy. I can't remember now if it was over a holiday break, like thanksgiving or Christmas or if it was just a weekend but we all found out that his parents, younger brother and dog were all killed in a house fire.”
“Everyone felt so bad for him. Her family took him in. Support poured out from everywhere. Then we find out he killed all of them and then set the house on fire to cover it up. Shocked everyone.” Mom-tired_send-wine
“Nothing. I would have told you he was truly one of the nicest, kindest guys I'd ever met. He was a regular customer at a place my SIL bartended at. He was always nice, friendly, funny, a genuinely good guy."
“When the Husband and I would visit SIL at work he'd chat with us like we were old friends. He obviously had a bit of a crush on SIL but she was involved and had a small child and he respected that. Never even hit on her."
“There were many nights he'd stay past close to help her clean up, take trash out, lug kegs for her. Sometimes they'd go over to the after hours bar with a couple other people. They got to know each other quite well over several years (or so we thought)."
"Then one night SIL' s friend was at the bar and had too much so she couldn't drive. He offered to drive her home. SIL would never watch an impaired friend go out alone with just any customer but she never thought twice about this."
"In fact, she even thought it was so like him to offer... Such a nice guy!! She was happy her friend would get home safe ... They found her friend's body the next day."
"She had been strangled to death. He apparently drove around with her body until almost sun up not sure what to do with her when he decided to return to the bar."
"He dumped her body in the back alley next to the dumpster. SIL had to testify against him. In court, it was brought to light that he had a history of violence against women (no murders, but several assaults). We were all absolutely shocked. BTW - He got Life." Kteefish
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When a dv victim decides to leave they are at the greatest risk of fatal attack.
“My cousin's husband. When they first got married, he was a decent guy though I had only met him after they got married. I thought it was weird that she had a kid that wasn't living with them, but I was young and brushed it off. Over a decade later, I find out he was abusive and she was divorcing him. He shot her outside her workplace. It was on the news. Thankfully he was caught not long after." KosherWitch
“I always think about that one interaction.”
“So I worked with a guy, and one day he seemed upset. He got married young and he feared his wife, who separated from him, was starting to date his ex best friend. I said, "that's tough, sorry to hear it, you're young, next…"…..he immediately got this intense look and said he'd kill them.”
“I told him you don't want to say that, and blew it off. It seemed like blowing off steam kind of comment, but I was surprised at the Intensity…normally an extremely laid back guy. However, I felt it strange enough that I wanted to walk away.”
“Six months later he went to his old apartment at 6am, and the two were in bed. He entered their bedroom, put them on their knees and shot each in the head. He then put the gun to his head and ended it. The girl flinched at the shot, and survived a head shot. The new boyfriend died. I always think about that one interaction.” CLO54
“They were just shady a** people...”
“My friends husband killed her after they broke up by bludgeoning her to death and then took the car and her body and burned it in the woods. Big red flags from this guy was, he was still with his ex wife and they were in a polyamorous relationship with extreme jealousy, he was a total douche, didn't work, very possessive and jealous, and had hit her a few times before that I knew of.”
“He killed her because she broke up with them and was taking the house they had bought. He fought chickens and dogs also. He was using her for a free ride for insurance and financial support. His ex wife and son (17) were also in on the murder and helped to plan it.”
“They were just shady a** people and the world would have been a better place if they had never existed and had a child. We reported her missing an hour after she did not show from work and her daughter had found evidence that something had happened at the end of their driveway, she wasn't found for a few weeks but we all knew who was behind it as soon as she went missing.” AeBS1978
Creepy red flags...
“I worked with Edward Paul Morris right up until the point he murdered his pregnant wife and their children. Can't say it was so much missed signs as much as signs that are even more disturbing in hindsight.”
“On the surface he seemed like a polite, friendly guy if a little awkward. He would make small talk with me in the office breakroom, almost always complaining about his wife and stress at home. He treated it like chit-chat but it was clear he couldn't stop thinking about it.”
“When a mutual co-worker and I moved into a rental house together he offered to come mow the lawn (he did some yard maintenence work on the side). We didn't have curtains up yet and I was in my new bedroom putting clothes away when I realized he was outside, lawn mower running but just standing there and staring at me through the window. Creeped me right the f**k out.” serenidade
“A guy I knew from HS stalked an ex GF, ran through her sliding glass door, shot and killed her then killed himself. He had evidently been stalkerish with some other exes as well but because it was in another county it wasn't easy to find. There was a push to create a central register of people with protective orders like they do sex offenders in Texas because of him.”
“He hid it very well. I knew he had some substance abuse issues but he had stopped drinking and started going to church. Turns out that was even BS, he was going to the church his ex went to so he could talk to her. Edit: Monica's Law” TheProle
“Tony was legitimately out of his mind..."
“I am incredibly late to this party but wanted to add my own. Best friend's Mom was murdered by her long term boyfriend/common law husband; stabbed 27 times while she was in bed. They were severe drug addicts but she'd gotten clean about 6 months before hand and her and my former bestie had started being able to have a genuine relationship again."
“He was even able to introduce his girlfriend, start forming a relationship with her again, and say 'I love you' and mean it. Tony however didn't stop the drug use, and either via meth injection or heroin, had an intense Vietnam flashback and murdered her."
“My friend and I had been on the outs at the time because he'd fallen in with a pretty bad crowd and was beginning to head down the same road his mum had. When this happened, his girlfriend and I (who were good friends and who started the healing between the two of us) heard he was escorted to the office by the resource officers, and we assumed the worst."
“Left school to try and figure out what was going on, and Ill never forget when she got the call from him, asking if he was okay and her face just went white. I grabbed the phone and was like 'hey it's me, are you okay?'"
"'uh... no... i dont think so. My mom just got murdered.'"
“I said ‘we'll be there in five minutes’, hung the phone up, and rushed to his house. Got him out and over to mine where my mum, his 'adopted' mom while growing up, me and his girlfriend all kept him company.”
“His druggie friends heard what happened and came over to say something and the thing one of them said was ‘Sorry your mom got shanked’ and I had to hold him back from hurting the dude. They got kicked out and screamed at, I spent the next week with him, spoke at the funeral, did everything i could to be there for him.”
“Red flags was definitely the intravenous methamphetamine use. Ftr, Tony was legitimately out of his mind when this happened, he immediately called the cops on himself, said he just killed his wife and waited til the cops came, then plead guilty and is serving life i believe in the state pen.”
“I can’t find any links to the news articles, just her service which has too much personal information. My friend was supposed to speak, i forgot that he wasnt able to and i had to wing the eulogy.” EndsongX23
He had a propensity for violence...
“I lived across the street from a man that murdered his infant by violently shaking him. When arrested, he was apathetic and the defense tried blaming it on being overly exhausted.”
“Red flags? Tons. He was an abusive piece of sh*t. I was only a teen, but a year prior I called the cops on him when I saw him abusing his wife and other son outside.”
“His wife was trying to get away from him with their baby who was about 4 months at the time (different baby- this one was 1 at the time of his sibling's death). The wife was screaming as the husband angrily was grabbing the boy from her. They were fighting over this tiny little child like he was a rag doll.”
“I can still see everything about that day because he genuinely had no regard his son's life and he didn't care who saw it. We were a small cul de sac filled triplexes and most of the bystanders were children. A woman ran up and tried to get him off of them. Many other neighbors spoke out against him during his trial for many other incidences because it wasn't an accident.” neonpouts
A Ted Bundy encounter...
“Back in the early 70s, before we heard of Ted Bundy, he sat on my couch w/crutches & military-type clothing. He was collecting for disabled vets as his story went. My roommate came home & showed discomfort when I introduced him & his story. I thought he lived in our apt. building.”
“I forget how we dismissed him, maybe no money to contribute? Down the road we have all heard/read of his history. At some point my roommate & I moved to Arizona & were shocked to see his face on TV & realized she may have saved me from death. Red flag? I'm not certain there were any, just a door to door salesman (unlike these days) or roommates gut instinct?” granny1940
Red flags everywhere...
“Well, can't say no one noticed the red flags before hand but... When I was in high school I briefly dated a guy who had a reputation for being violent, and had allegedly choked out a previous girlfriend (I know, I know, I was a dumb in high school). Nothing happened while we dated, and I ended things a couple of months in."
“Flash forward a handful of years, he ended up killing his wife/mother of his young son, along with her mom before taking both his young son and the step-daughter on a high speed police chase that ended with him attempting, and failing, to kill himself." danielachante
“one month into my first jail sentence...”
“I was 19 and one month into my first jail sentence when a a man in for 3rd dui got mad about possession of the remote control. He wanted to go in the showers and fight, he was extremely pissed over the remote and this was only one of few times I had even heard him speak.He was a cold and disliked (in our block) 40 something year old.”
“I considered it and jokingly pretended to head to the showers. Before I had to make a decision breakfast showed up and the issue was forgotten. A few months later we were both released and a short while from that he strangled his girlfriend and put her in the trunk of her car and dumped her. Yikes.” Abject-Ads-9405
Issues early on...
“I went to school with Ian Long for a few years, as a kid mainly. Crazy to think even as a kid, the issues he had were numerous. I mean, he had all the signs. He didn't have many friends, he had severe behavioral issues - I remember that being the reason he transferred to my elementary school.”
“I can only attest to my 10-12yr old state of mind so I missed everything, but when I read his name In the news - I remembered him instantly and just honestly didn't feel shocked at all...” Friendly-Bill-4023
"He thought I was smart and a great girl, but he expected better out of me because I…. Didn't like Donald Trump."
“I briefly dated a guy who ended up killing himself and his kids. He was seemingly a happy go lucky guy, really social and talkative and good looking. I really liked him. There were a couple of things I couldn't get past, though.”
“He would never, ever contact me first. I was young and brushed it off for a while, but decided one day to just not contact him first and see what happened, he posted some things on Facebook about how ‘someone has a chance to make him very happy’ but he never would call or text first so that ended that.”
“We liked each other, but he wanted me to chase him I guess? Once he got really mad at me, because we had planned to meet up at the local motorcycle shop and look at motorcycle stuff together. There was a crazy early spring ice storm and I told him I couldn't make it, because I didn't want to drive on the awful roads.“
“For some reason he took it personally. The roads were nuts, it would be obvious to anyone else not to be out driving. We both liked and owned motorcycles, but he would NOT ride his motorcycle with me (his didn't have a rear seat, I wasn't asking him to ride on the back of mine but rather we both ride ours, together).”
"He would make these comments like, the only thing your bike is good for is bending you over etc. That is just one I can remember, but they were always like… weirdly aggressive and made me uncomfortable. I ran into him after we ended up working at the same place, and he said 'don't be a stranger'."
"Then he added me back on Facebook, and sent me an entire novel about how he thought I was smart and a great girl, but he expected better out of me because I…. Didn't like Donald trump. I mean whatever, just odd to try to argue with me over politics after telling me not to be a stranger. Probably could've talked about another topic."
"Anyways, I wouldn't have thought he would do something like that, or would hurt anyone in general. I'm not sure if any of these are even red flags but it was just the few things I noticed that didn't match up with his seemingly happy, outgoing personality." Good_Piccolo4046
The math isn't great...
“I grew up in a small rural town of 3300 people and personally knew 3 people who grew up to murder other people. Two were in my graduating class of 80 some students.The female who was my age has a documentary about her of which I cannot remember the name. The man whom was my age was a personal friend.”
“I had moved away, lost contact and was stunned to hear about it. The other guy was one year older, but of course I knew him and our families had interacted because 3,300 people for God sake. Everyone knew everyone. Can someone do the statistics on this please.” lolliegag69
Remember that if you think you or someone you know is or could be experiencing domestic violence you can get ahold of the National Domestic Violence Hotline anytime by calling 1-800-799-7233(SAFE) or by texting START to 88788. If you see something say something by calling either a hotline to local law enforcement.
There are people in this world who have, for whatever reason, taken another's' life. For some it's a tragedy, and a hero for others. Some people didn't even know they were talking to a murderer until later.
How can you tell if someone is a murderer in the first place? They can seem just like regular people.
So VentSauxe went to Ask Reddit to find out what that experience was like.
VentSauxe asked the question:
"People who have met murderers, what were they like?"
What's most fascinating is the stories when we these people would be locked away forever are still out in life to this very day.
Dodged a bullet.
"I once accidentally scratched a car on a parking lot. When I went to find the owner to sort it out, (a friend lived there, he told me which door to knock) an old (about 60 yrs old) sweet tiny lady opened the door. She was really cool about the incident, told me not to worry about it and I went on with my day."
"Found out later that this woman had apparently been a part of several murders in the 80's where the victims had been chopped to pieces and stuffed into trash bags."
"Thanks for giving me a heads up several hours after it was necessary, unnamed friend."
"'Been a part'?"
"How was she involved? A suspect or what?"
"She was one of multiple (3 IIRC) perpetrators involved in these murders. I unfortunately don't have any more details, but I remember there were at least 3 or 4 murders."
"This is a second hand story from 5+ years ago, so take everything I say with a few grains of salt."
"How was she not in prison though? I mean you definitely dodged a bullet."
"Quite literally perhaps.Our justice system is disturbingly loose, especially regarding violent crimes. Apparently a "life" sentence means 12 years over here. (double checked, no set length for a life sentence, on average they serve 14 yrs)"
"Since these murders happened in the 80's, approximately 30 years before I met her, she could've served 2 life sentences. I'm just going to assume for my sanity's sake she did at least 10 years. Sadly I have no way to confirm if she served any time at all, or if these murders even really happened."
"I have a relative who murdered someone and I saw him a few times decades before that when we were kids. He was a bully. I'm not surprised he turned out to be a murderer. He cheated on his wife and got the girl pregnant. She was going to tell his wife and he killed her."
Was it justified?
"I owned a local bar and there was a couple who would come in about three times a week since they only lived around the corner. Both in their early sixties. He would occasionally come alone and sit on the patio and read his newspaper while having a drink. I would talk to them both together and him alone. Super nice ,friendly and great senses of humour."
"I learned that he killed his abusive father when he was nine and was in juvenile detention until being released at sixteen. It didn't change my opinion of him in the least."
"I think your experience highlights the difference in situations surrounding the crimes. He was probably in living hell so its, [in my opinion], justified, whereas someone that has killed in true cold blood or taken away a life for no apparent reason does not deserve sympathy or kindness, again all in my opinion."
"It is very possible could be considered self defense or likely would not be pursued heavily given the circumstances. There was a good case that highlights this from I think Texas like a decade ago. A dad came home and found a tutor in the process of molesting his son. He either beat him to death or very very close and was never charged as the DA said and I agree, 'he was a father defending his son.' This does not obviously happen everyday but I think it is an excellent use of discretion on the part of the DA."
No regrets for revenge.
"I used have a buddy I met through work that went to prison for 25 years for killing the man that assaulted his little sister. He was a super chill person, he had no regrets about it all."
"He will probably get on pretty well all things considered. Most inmates will show him respect for his actions. The officers will like him too even if they aren't allowed to show it. I'm sure they all imagined being in that position of it was their little sister or daughter."
"Agreed. From what I've heard, rapists aren't treated well in jail so with what he's done, he will be alright."
He met the man that killed his father.
"Saw my dad's murderer in court. He smirked right at my younger brother when my little brother made eye contact with him."
"I think that should say enough."
"They say it's 'life time imprisonment' for his charge of second degree murder but really, he gets parole after 20 years."
"Yeah those are the kinds of people who are stains to society. I hope your family's ok."
"I hope he's off the streets in in prison for the rest of his life."
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"Write the parole board about the incident in court. There is no way he'll ever get parole after that."
"You can even attend in certain situations. Depending on the state I would visit their parole board site and read about your rights as a victim."
"Here is a a really good guide that gives an overview of rights by state, looks like it's from 2019 so fairly recent. This shows what kind of rights you have (notification, ability to write or ability to be present) for most inmate circumstance changes (early release, furlough, clemency, escape, death etc)."
"Also, once his 20 years are up there will be a few parole hearing every x amount of years so it's usually not a one-and-done. Here is an excerpt as an example:"
"For some inmates, federal law requires a parole hearing every two years. Many inmates have several parole hearings before they are found suitable for release by the Parole Commission. Some parole-eligible inmates are never released to parole supervision."
Not what you'd expect.
"He was an angry drunk. When he wasn't drunk, he was funny and gentlemanly. He ended up murdering my mom."
"That ending caught me off guard, I'm so sorry."
"Please tell me that guy is in prison for life without the possibility of parole. I'm so sorry for your loss. May she rest in peace. Stay strong. My heart goes out to you and your family. Hope the guy gets what's coming to him. Hope you and your family got justice and that you guys are doing ok."
"No. He only spent a year. He still lives in the same house where he shot her to death. We never got justice. He took away my best friend and a grandma to my kids."
Housing a escapee.
"An escaped convicted murderer stayed in our student house (our group took him in while drunk after he approached us claiming to be a former student who missed his bus)."
"He was small nerdy and awkward. Funniest part was us laying down the law not to eat our food just before we left him sleeping in the common room."
"It was sometime later we connected that he'd escaped that night and was convicted of murdering his parents."
The Redditor continued the story in a comment:
"In our drunken haze we were suspicious that something was awry, he was wearing an assortment of uncoordinated light clothing and it was in the middle of winter, he claimed he attended the university but had no idea about the campus layout, the classes he claimed he took didn't match up, etc."
"That all said we were too tired to figure it out and just crashed in our rooms, by the morning he was gone."
"We didn't realize he was an escapee until some time later, one of our housemates who hadn't gone out that night with us, casually asked at dinner who the f was that person was eating cereal at 4am. He'd assumed it was a friend of ours but 'he looked liked that escaped murderer that was on the news.'"
"We kept quiet."
"We never told the police or even the rest of the house what happened and he was caught shortly after."
"Yeah, you see, this is why I don't pick up hitchhikers. I know, different situation, but same idea."
"This just reinforced that rule in my head."
"The irony is that our house didn't even volunteer to take him in, after the murderer gave us the sob story of old times missing the bus etc., one of our friends from a different house said 'you can go stay at JiltedJohn's,' we were just too spaced out to say f no."
A county jail worker's perspective.
We left part of this comment out because of the extremely graphic nature.
"I worked at a county jail that housed federal inmates and also a state prison. Most of my time at the state prison I spent in a unit that housed inmates who had committed serious offenses like murder and also had some kind of mental health issue like schizophrenia or anything like that. It was one of two maximum-security units in my state.
"It goes without saying that all people, and by extension murderers, are different. Some show regret for what they've done while others are completely remorseless. One cried at night sometimes because he felt bad he'd killed a man and he knew that he would probably do it again if let out due to a number of mental health issues."
"Some are incredibly aggressive and openly violent. Almost more animal than human. They will take any opportunity presented to assault treatment, medical, or security staff. These aren't the scary ones though. I would always try to explain this to new officers I was training. The ones who are known for assaulting staff and are openly malevolent are intimidating to new officers because they're often big, loud, and show an appetite for violence."
"But, because of that you're always on guard around them. There's always extra officers present when those inmates are out of their cells and you know what to expect when you open that door. The scary ones are those that are feeble looking, smallish, and well spoken. They don't use profanity or have lots of tattoos. They aren't physically intimidating. They are always yes sir and no sir and greet you when you come on the unit for the day. They are also the ones who will be friendly with you for months while they plan to assault you or even attempt to kill you. This happened to a friend of mine. He was slashed with a sharpened toothbrush in his neck. 97 stitches and missed his jugular vein by 4 millimeters."
"Keep in mind these are the worst of the worst in my state and most of what I've said doesn't really apply to the kind of guy that has one too many beers and causes a DUI death. I guess if you want real specifics you'd have to specify what kind of killer."
A man on the run.
"The name he went by was Sid. I didn't know much about him except that he came from out West, he was quiet, Mexican and a hard worker. I was running a tire shop with a max of two other employees and some nights it was just me (27F) and Sid closing the shop."
"At one point Sid, who had only worked at my shop for about a month, stopped showing up. We had a high turnover rate, so I thought nothing of it. Months later a pair of detectives show up at my shop with some pictures of a man that looked familiar. It was Sid, of course! They wouldn't tell me why they were looking for him, but a quick Google search pulled up his warrants for arrest in several states, including Arkansas and Texas. He had murder charges for several people, not to mention firearms charges and theft. Turns out, when my company hires someone, they only check your background for local warrants, not federal , so my guy truly worked just long enough to round up a couple paychecks, and then disappeared off to who knows where!"
Many of these stories brought up questions in our justice system. Who get's to decide who is a hero and who is a villain? When they are back in society, can we justify their crimes when they integrate back?
It makes you wonder about our societies moral compass and how we decide who we want in community with us.
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I use to think I was the only person obsessed with true crime tales. I've been an avid watcher of Dateline NBC, 20/20, 48 Hours, etc, for over a decade. In fact when I've moved cable providers the last few times, I chose the plans that only included the ID Discovery channel. I can't even begin to tell you amount of shows I watched there. Then of course I'd top it off with a marathon of Law & Order: SVU. And this was all before the podcast frenzy. And I tell you, I've never had a peaceful night's rest since. Why do I do this? Correction... why do WE do this?Redditor u/KyrieEleison_88 wanted everyone to compare notes about which blood curdling cases they can't shake off by asking... What true crime case lives rent free in your head and why?
***WARNING - THE FOLLOWING STORIES CONTAINS SOME INFORMATION THAT REALLY SHOULD ONLY BE READ BY THOSE OVER 17***
So many of the stories I've followed have left me shook to the core. Some because they were never solved, which always keeps me on high alert, because who knows then where these psychos are. And mostly because these tales aren't fiction. True evil does exist and it just casually walks among us. These stories make you confront the fact that... none of us are ever really safe.
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Zodiac. We've cracked one cypher. Will we ever know who it was? Did they actually make a cypher with their name, or is it just another cryptic cat and mouse game? Are they still out there? To be so bold to give us messages, cyphers, and yet leave no evidence of who did it.
The Hinterkaifeck murders. It just makes *me so, so uncomfortable that multiple people in the house noticed things were strange or amiss in the days before they died but they brushed it all off.
Ok here's something that is gonna traumatize you. I live in Greece so I doubt anyone else outside of here knows about this. A father killed his 4 year old daughter cause her mother loved her more than she loved him. We don't know how he killed her but after he did, he cut her up into pieces, boiled them with other ingredients and tossed that into the toilet and to garbage bins around the city to make it seem like thrown out food and so that stray dogs would eat it.
Sometimes I think about it and it makes me sick to my stomach. He says that he didn't kill her and that she just found her dead and that he did all that to avoid being targeted as the killer but come on... no one ever believed that.
The murder story of Junko furuta, it's extremely disturbing. I can't get it out of my head. And all of them got away with it. It shows how messed up this world is.
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The murder of Shanda Sharer. The girls who murdered her are so evil, and all free.
A group of girls killing their own "friend" and getting nothing more than something akin to a slap on the wrist? Sounds totally fair to me.
The wiki article on her led me to the case of Bobby Kent, who was killed by his former best friend he started bullying.
Oof, I remember several of those stories and now they'll be back to the forefront of my psyche. It makes no sense. Well, tonight's sleep is ruined. We might as well continue...
The backpack murders in Australia. Saw some true crime documentaries years ago and this one disturbed me the most. Je, Ivan Milat, picked up hitchhikers and then brutally murder them. I remember he stabbed a guy in the back, paralyzing him, and then beat and killed his girlfriend. He did something similar with 2 girls: stab one and then shoot the other a dozen times in the head (target practice).
There was a torso found sealed in a barrel in the woods in my hometown. Never any explanation. Literally no one ever talks about it.
Apparently some guy also stalked a lady and then set himself on fire and died when he got caught.
They found a torso, arm and a leg (don't quote me on that) in my hometown in the late 1800s on the banks of the thames. Murders go unsolved to this day all I can remember is that there were 4 victims and only 1 was identified.
Delphi murders. They have video and audio of the perpetrator, yet no arrest in four years.
Definitely this case! Since it happened I check up on this regularly; it horrifies me how with video and audio they still have not found this guy, and based on what we've seen from ISP I doubt they have anything else to go on.
Andrea Yates drowning her five kids because she thought they were full of sin and needed saving. Rusty took her off the meds and they had another child despite doctor's warnings about her condition.
He should have been held criminally liable for all of this. He treated her like a broodmare. He was specifically told to not leave her alone with the kids; so he makes all of them live in a freaking SCHOOL BUS. He goes to work and leaves her alone w/ the kids. All day. Every day. Pulls her meds. Keeps impregnating her.
All the warning signs were there. I mean, I have to wonder if on some level he wanted this to happen??? Because it was very clear for a very long time that this was exactly how it was gonna end.
Not to mention that someone in her state of mind, likely wouldn't be able to truly consent. She was very very sick.
My heart breaks for that woman and her kids. But her husband should be rotting in prison.
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Chris Watts. I don't know why I am so invested in it. I just can't wrap my head around a seemingly normal person can murder his whole family and think that he's going to start a new life with his girlfriend.
Now there a few new ones I'm going to have to read up on. Also, I'm going to go join a karate class, just in case. The last thing I want to be is a victim in one of these stories.
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