We all have our gripes about inconsequential things that become so increasingly annoying, that they drive us over the edge.
Unfortunately, these inconveniences in life–whatever they may be–will continue pestering us because they have every right to be there.
Ah, but what if there are legal consequences for the things that irk us the most?
Seeking to make our world a better place, Redditor mystic-savant asked:
"If you could make something illegal, what would it be?"
These continued interruptions are enough to make us erupt into fits of rage.
Our Common Hang-Up
"Spam calls."
– mettedraq
Ixnay To The Exnay
"Small 'X' buttons on mobile ads. I hate the kind where unless you have dainty fingers you get redirected to a website."
– Bridgtecmilen
Too Many Trees Die For This
"Junk mail. Think of all the 'You're pre qualified for a credit card!' mail people get and how much of that goes straight in the trash."
– TheSchoeMaker
Staring At The Void
"Reporting an ad to google for covering content and them removing the ad, only to leave a large empty gray box over the content where the ad used to be."
– spade13F
People could do without these sonic assaults.
So Alarming
"Police sirens in radio commercials."
– ilumewey
No Honking!
"And car horns. I’d like to get to work without having a heart attack on the way."
– perkiezombie
A Close Call
"This almost caused me to crash because it was timed as I went through an intersection that was at an angle so oncoming traffic aims at you for a time before they turn. I swore to the Nine Hells that I was about to be slammed into and nearly jerked by steering wheel to the right and into another car. Only reason it didn't happen was triage; I decided that if I'm being hit steering away wasn't changing that. Then nothing happened."
– NoobSabatical
Disturbing The Peace
"Listening loud music from phone without using earphone in public places, especially in public transport."
– SuvenPan
Corruption gets casually overlooked. It's time for some changes.
Shady Transactions
"Politicians buying/selling/trading stock while in office."
– Sudden-Cat5805
No More Advantageous Incentives
"Honestly, politicians receiving any kind of additional income or donations, monetary or otherwise, while in office."
"No stock trading, no second job, no donations to their campaign fund, no gifts from supporters, nothing. If you work in government, and have financial ties to other entities, then your loyalty is being bought, whether consciously or not as you will use your power to support your other forms of income in the name of self interest as to ensure to still receive those forms of additional income."
"A politician’s only form of income or compensation should be via taxpayers from the people they represent."
– Conchobhar23
There Ought To Be Consequences
"Politicians getting any pension , insurance , security , or anything after getting convicted of anything connected with their office ."
– crowman006
Thing About Per Diem
"Representatives/senators started out making a $6 per diem and were only paid for the days they actually showed up."
– Haunting-Ad-8619
Driven By Greed
"Price gouging on life-saving medicines."
– gaomeigeng
People just found these incredibly annoying.
Bad Template
"I would make it illegal for recruiters to not give some kind of response after applying for a job. At least say “yes” or “no” instead of _____."
– I-Care-for-all
Closed For Business
"Leaving your 'OPEN' sign on when you're not. I used to work midnights and I can't tell you the number of restaurant doors I've pulled on at 1am because their sign said they were open. If I were King of the world restaurants would be fined $1000 an hour for allowing this to happen. I'M LOOKIN' RIGHT AT YOU Steak-n-Shake!"
– Oph5pr1n6
Now, Scoot!
"Leaving e-scooters in the middle of the sidewalk."
– mossadspydolphin
I personally think there ought to be clear a distinction between factual news reporting and opinion.
The lines are so blurred these days, people will forgo doing the research to educate themselves on the facts and wind up disseminating propaganda and unsubstantiated information, which can mobilize a harmful movement.
The question is, which party should bear the consequences of their indiscretion? The reporting agency or the audience?
Not every law is actually serviceable.
Sometimes, laws are just sort of oddly arbitrary and outdated. In Massachusetts, until very recently, if three women were on a lease together, the dwelling would be considered a brothel.
In other places, the laws just clearly exist because somebody did something dumb: such as hair dryers being required to list a warning on their packaging that says "do not use while sleeping."
What weird laws do you know about?
u/CRUClAL asked:
What are some weird laws your country has?
Here were some of those answers.
Not Trespassing Apparently
In Missouri it used to be illegal to have oral sex. When I was a teenager this couple (Married 11 years) was actually jailed for it. A neighbor had just walked into their house, caught them then called the police.
Later I found out that it was to deter gay people. How stupid can folks be?
Not Proven
Scotland has three court verdicts: Not Guilty, Guilty, and "not proven". The third basically means "we know you likely did it, but we can't actually prove it."
We Love Our Dairy
In Wisconsin:
It's illegal to serve margarine at restaurants unless customers explicitly ask for it.
Violators face up to $500 fines, and 3 months behind bars. Subsequent offenses can get you up to a $1,000 fine and a year in jail.
This Somehow Wasn't The USA
Lol I don't live there anymore, (I moved recently because of the coronavirus), nor was I actually from the country, but it was recent made illegal to say the words 'corona' 'coronavirus' 'COVID-19'.
The whole country was pretty messed up. . . I'm happy to have left. It was the last flight out the country and it had to be chartered. . .
When Being Awkward Was Illegal
Ireland had another one for a while where 2 kids under the age of consent could have sex, but if they attempted to have sex and failed/didn't go through with it, it was a crime. Wasn't ever enforced or anything, was just one of those technicalities people figured out and had a laugh at
Something's Fishy
You can't act suspiciously with a salmon.
The phrasing is "Handling Salmon in Suspicious Circumstances." That means, if your salmon was likely to have been poached you can go to jail even if you didn't poach it yourself. The UK is a small island you can't let everyone there go and poach wildlife or there won't be any left.
How Do You Even Get Penalized For This
Not on the mainland, but on the Norwegian archipelago Svalbard it is illegal to die. If you are dying you must be flown over to the mainland to die there, or you'll break the law.
I think you're also not legally allowed to stay (or arrive/disembark) if you are sick, or require medical attention beyond superficial treatment. For some reason it's unfeasible to set up a permanent treatment facility for all the 2600 people there.
God Save The Queen
The Criminal Code of Canada is very protective of the Queen.
Acts intended to alarm Her Majesty or break public peace
49 Every one who wilfully, in the presence of Her Majesty,
(a) does an act with intent to alarm Her Majesty or to break the public peace, or
(b) does an act that is intended or is likely to cause bodily harm to Her Majesty,
is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.
Selling defective stores to Her Majesty
418 (1) Every one who knowingly sells or delivers defective stores to Her Majesty or commits fraud in connection with the sale, lease or delivery of stores to Her Majesty or the manufacture of stores for Her Majesty is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.
He Was Just Being A Jerk
When my friends and I were 15 we bought some cheap kites at the dollar store and decided to take them with us downtown (we live in Chicago) and fly them. We started trying to fly them by the Art Institute/Millennium Park when we got stopped by a cop. He told us that kites were not allowed to be flown anywhere in the downtown area and if he saw us doing it again he would give us a $250 citation. It seemed kind of weird since both Millennium and Grant park, along with other smaller parks, were in the downtown area, but we didn't argue.
Years later I found out that it actually was an obscure law, but a law that was repealed in the 1970s. So, we were fine flying our kites and that cop just didn't like us having fun.
And Finally, Good Ole 'Murica
USA:
- Vermont banned banning clotheslines
- You can't throw rocks at trains in Wisconsin or force people to get microchipped
- Blasphemy is illegal in Michigan as is being drunk on a train
- You cannot make fake drugs in Arizona
- Dogs can't hunt big game in California
- No biting while boxing in Utah and the same state does not allow happy hour sales
- Swearing at sports events is illegal in Massachusetts (I wonder why all Red Sox, Celtics, Bruins, and Patriots fans aren't constantly taken into custody) and EMTs cannot help dogs there either
- Can't use false names at hotels in New Hampshire
- Pretending to be religious figures in Alabama is illegal as is playing dominoes on Sunday
- Severance, Colorado just made throwing snowballs legal in 2019
- To hold public office in Texas, you must believe...in something. Texas also does not allow you to sell your eyes
- Bingo games cannot last more than 5 hrs in North Carolina
- You cannot sniff glue with the intent of getting high in Indiana
- Biting a person's arm off is illegal in Rhode Island
- Adultery is illegal in New York
- Teachers in Tennessee cannot speak to students about hand-holding
- Dance halls cannot be close to cemeteries in South Carolina and they cannot be open on Sunday
- Alcohol sales can be illegal during hurricanes in Florida and it is illegal to corrupt public morals in the same state and doors must open outward in public buildings (makes sense)
- You cannot use x-rays for shoe fittings in Washington (which used to be common)
- You cannot hold a fish and firearm at the same time in Wyoming
- R rated movies cannot be played in drive-in theaters in Delaware and you can forget about selling your dog's hair there too
- You cannot live on a boat for more than 30 days in Georgia
- Southington, Connecticut has a ban on silly string
- Derby, Kansas has made hitting a vending machine illegal and screeching your tires too
- Hawaii doesn't allow billboards
- Everett, Washington only allows hypnotizing indoors
- Enfield, New Hampshire doesn't allow hunting in cemeteries
- If you have an STD, you cannot get married in Nebraska
- All tanning beds in Iowa must have warning signs (not a bad thing)
- You cannot lie down on a sidewalk in Reno, Nevada
- You cannot leave your car door open too long in Oregon nor throw your urine out of a vehicle either
- You cannot molest butterflies in Pacific Grove, California
- Farmers cannot sell pickles at farmers markets in Connecticut
- You cannot wear a bulletproof vest while committing a crime in New Jersey
People Break Down The Dumbest Way They've Ever Seen Someone Get Into Trouble With The Law
The law and the police are a particularly touchy subject right now. The police are under nationwide scrutiny for abusing their power.
But there are ways to avoid encounters with the police in day-to-day life. And then there are ways to draw attention to yourself like a neon sign. Some folks have trouble turning that sign off.
u/LeatherSwordfish8 asked:
"What's the dumbest way that someone you know has gotten in trouble with the law?"
Here were some of those answers.
Shouldn't You Be Able To Answer This?
Me, picking up my younger brother from elementary school (at the request of our parents) when I was 17 and asking his teacher "How do you know I'm actually authorized to collect this child? Is there a list or something?"
Police Abusing Power
In 05 I had a buddy I worked with. He was walking home after work. He passed by some kids who were smoking weed. He didn't think anything about it. Couple minutes later cop hits his siren and tells him to stop.
Buddy stopped the cop told him to empty his pockets. Buddy smokes cigs and had a lighter and pack of smokes on him. Cops cuffs him. Apparently the cops busted the kids smoking weed he passed. They said they got if from my buddy to try and get out of trouble. The cop considered the lighter drug paraphernalia. My buddy had to get a lawyer and go through 6months of court hearings and 10days in jail before a judge tossed the case. Lost his job apartment. Really f**ked him over.
Telling On Yourself
Knew a guy who was chatting with a friendly cop outside a local supermarket. Just for fun he asked the cop to look him up on his computer. Turns out he had a warrant, apparently for an unpaid ticket he didn't know about. The cop was really apologetic, but said "I gotta take you in." My friend spent a few hours at the jail before coming home.
Aaaand You're Arrested
Guy was driving around smoking weed with three friends in the car (windows shut) and saw some emergency vehicles at the entrance to an apartment complex his other buddy lived in. So, what does he do? Drives right over there to a line waiting to get into the parking lot. He can clearly see there's a police officer talking to every driver so as to only let in people who live there. Instead of turning around, he pulls up to the officer who promptly asks him to roll down his window...
A Saga On A Tail Light
A friend of mine got pulled over for having a burnt-out tail light. He was given a "fix-it ticket" -- if he provided proof of getting the bulb replaced within a certain time period, the violation would be torn up.
He didn't do it. A while later, he got pulled over again. This time, he had a bench warrant for his arrest over the ticket he never fixed or paid, so he spent a few hours in a holding cell while waiting for his wife to arrive. They paid the ticket, a penalty for not paying the ticket on time, and court costs. He also got his car impounded.
He went to the impound lot to get his car back, but he arrived ten minutes after the lot closed. There was nothing he could do... he had to let it sit there another day, accruing an additional $50 in fees -- on top of the $200 or it was already going to cost him.
When all was said and done, he ended up with many hundreds of dollars in penalties, and a lot of time wasted, all because he didn't replace a $5 bulb in his car. The kicker was that he had the bulb the whole time, even when the first officer pulled him over! He just didn't have a screwdriver, nor did he take the time to go buy one for $2 from Walmart or Home Depot or something and just fix the stupid car.
A DUI On A Silver Platter
A guy I know got a DUI in a McDonalds parking lot. He got into a belligerent argument with the worker through the intercom, and then insisted on eating his food in the parking lot after being threatened by the manager to call the cops. He really set that one up on a silver platter for the arresting officer.
A Sure Way To "Neon Sign"
A relative posted photos of themselves holding restricted firearms on FB along with a death threat to a neighbor that allegedly tried something inappropriate with their daughter.
Never threaten someone before you do something and definitely dont post your intentions on social media.
Probably Didn't Sit Well
Guy I worked with took it a little far at a work function. Saw an ambulance across the street, hopped in, locked all the doors then started playing with the sirens and loud speaker. The company President bailed him out.
The 90s had a different set of rules for work events.
Drunk People Telling On Themselves Part Two
Some dude crashed into the car of a friend of mine while he was still just parking there. It was totally the dudes fault.
My friend just wanted to go ahead and wanted to exchange contact info for insurance and just go on with his day.
But this dude is completely furious and insists to call the cops and make a scene there. He calls the cops. The cops show up and it turns out this dude is completely drunk.
It still boggles my mind how stupid this dude was. Losing his driver license and needing to pay all the damage out of his pocket because of this.
Don't Record Yourself
I know of someone who had a dash cam fitted. They did 90mph in a residential area and crashed, seriously injuring a passenger. The dash cam was used as evidence of how ridiculously fast they were going and he ended up doing a jail sentence. He probably wouldn't have gone to jail if his own dash cam didn't incriminate him (although I think he would probably still have lost his license or something, just not jail time.) Doing 3 times the speed limit is dumb but doing it whilst recording yourself is even dumber.
Just because we incessantly watch reruns of Law & Order: SVU and Blue Bloods doesn't make us law enforcement officials. I no more want a public defender trained by Annalise Keating than I want a surgeon trained by Meredith Grey. For some reason we all think we're well versed enough in justice that we know better than the officials. But oh the amount we are wrong. We'll argue until we're blue in the face without ever cracking a law book..... or a neighborhood watch pamphlet. Hence the problem.
Redditor u/IfItQuackedLikeADuck wanted the lawyers of the web to inform us about all the things we DON'T know about the law by asking...Lawyers, What's a law that isn't real that normal people insist exists?
Goodwill Honor....
"In the UK, people often claim that if an item is listed for sale in a shop then the shop legally has to sell it to you at that price. This is not true at all as the shop doesn't have to sell you anything at any price."
"Often as a gesture of goodwill shops will honor erroneous prices, but they are under absolutely no obligation to do so." HereForTheTurnips_
implied endorsement....
Giphy"That commercial use of a photograph means selling the photograph."
"Commercial use means that there is an implied endorsement. You can take and sell photos of Eric Clapton all day long. Put that same photo in an advertisement for a certain guitar without a release and you can be sued." xaclewtunu
"reading of the will"
"Probate attorney here. I've had many people ask me when the "reading of the will" is going to take place. I explain to them that only happens in movies. But one of these days I am going to have one, and hire a mysterious blonde wearing a veil to sit in the corner quietly."
"Then I'll tell everyone that she inherits everything. Provided, of course, that she must adopt the decedent's cute but troublemaking six year old child no one knew about. Or she can spend the night in a haunted house. Her choice." SpaceFaceAce
Lie to Me.
"Re my father who is a lawyer: 'Policeman cannot lie to you.'"
"This is false. They can and they do."
Edit:
"There's so many replies that I cannot even find some of the ones I'd like to respond to so I want to leave a general note for those who have asked for a reference:"
"Frazier vs Cupp is the Supreme Court ruling that "affirmed the legality of deceptive interrogation tactics" in 1969. The ruling is still active." LoveOfficialxx
On Camera.
"People that think it's illegal to be video taped in a public space." RmeMSG
"I saw someone on next door complaining about 'my reasonable right to privacy in a public place,' when someone was shaming 20 people standing together waiting for take out. Sorry that's the opposite of how it works." khaominer
Citizens.
Giphy"Sovereign citizen stuff. I feel like enough folks have claimed to be sovereign citizens that it's become normal. But no, generally you can't declare yourself exempt from the laws in effect where you are." Alleline
Don't Sign....
"Not quite on point: A lot of people don't understand that co-signing a loan means that you are on the hook for the loan as much as the other person. The car gets repoed and then they are shocked that their wages are getting garnished."
"Co-signing is not you saying you think your friend is a cool dude who is good for it; you are saying you will pay for it if they don't. And they want you on the hook because they think there is a good chance the main applicant is a deadbeat. Basically, don't cosign anything for anybody." notrexhudler
'no pedestrians'
"As a former lawyer (UK), I lost count of the amount of people that thought jaywalking was a crime."
"Unless it's a road that specifically states 'no pedestrians' or a motorway, no such offense exists here."
"Edit: to clarify I'm talking about it not being a crime in the UK, it may well be elsewhere (Australia, USA, Germany and others)" brevity_is_hard
"fighting words"
Giphy"Fighting words is not a defense to battery. It just means that the government can prosecute face to face insults likely to lead to a breach of the peace."
"ETA: Not to say that provocation defenses don't exist dependent on jurisdiction, but "fighting words" in the US refers to an exception to the 1st Amendment."
+10....
"You can go 10 over the speed limit. My dad thought this was true as he was new to the country and quickly found out by a speeding ticket that it was not."
"Edit: I'm now realizing that this is may vary from state to state and county to county. For my case, South Florida generally tolerates 10 over but is still technically illegal." loopywalker
Cop TV.
Giphy"An arrest isn't magically invalidated if the police don't read you your rights on the spot."
"There could be a whole thread of just misconceptions people have from watching Cop TV." Auntie_Hero
"Miranda rights protect you from self incrimination when being questioned by the police for a crime."
"It doesn't mean they have to Miranda you the second you get arrested. If you aren't questioned then it doesn't apply."
"People also think it's illegal not to let them make a phone call after being arrested." candaceelise
It's just surveying....
"It's a law that exists but widely misunderstood is the concept of Entrapment. If the police put a Bait vehicle in a high crime area, that is NOT entrapment. If the police are watching a bar known to over-serve to see if there are impaired drivers at the end of the night that is NOT entrapment."
"Entrapment only occurs when a Gov agent suggests committing a crime that you were not otherwise going to commit." Dinothegreen
'press charges'
"In my country some people believe they can 'press charges' against someone."
"You can't. You report a crime and the police decide if they are taking it further. It's not up to you whether charges are brought, you may want charges brought but the police drop the case."
"Alternatively you can refuse to 'press charges' and the police can bring a case anyway. It's harder without the victim or witness cooperation but they still can."
"You do have a right to civil cases of course but when people say 'press charges' they believe they can do this via the police." Reddit
Parked.
"In the UK, it's not illegal to park on someone else's drive(way). It's classified as trespassing, a civil offense, not criminal, which means the police can't do anything."
"This particularly surprises people as many think that they have exclusive rights to the parking outside their house as well." TannedCroissant
Money Issues...
Giphy"It's actually not illegal anywhere in the United States to discuss wages or form/join a union, contrary to what many employers may claim. I also strongly recommend you do both to protect yourself and your colleagues from being taken advantage of." Ninjachibi117
Barefoot Life....
"No laws against driving barefoot." LaserBeamsCattleProd
"Mandatory addition: In the US. In Germany, while appropriate footwear is not directly required, you can be found at fault if your choice of footwear or lack thereof leads to your inability to avert an accident." TheReddective
16 & Up!
"In the UK that it is illegal to drink under the age of 18."
"You can buy alcohol with a meal at 16 (beer, wine, cider) and you are not breaking any laws if you give your child some alcohol in the privacy of your own home and they are over the age of 5."
"Edit: At 16 you have to be accompanied by an adult and it is paid for by the adult. Thanks u/kelusk" Hamsternoir
"watch out for that bus!"
"Paralegal: A lot of people think that the law requires you to be a good, decent person.
"If I'm sitting on a bench and see a blind person about to walk into the path of a bus, it's completely legal for me (in the United States) to remain silent, take my cell phone out, and take a video of his death. It's even legal for me to profit from the video. I'd be a monster for doing it, but there's no law imposing a duty on me to tell this stranger, 'watch out for that bus!'" NoBlueKoolAid
Obstructer.
Negligent motorcycle driver forced me to hit him from behind with my car.
I was young and naive at the time, never been in an accident until then, guy makes me sign a paper that says that the accident is my fault because i hit from behind and wanted compensation.
I explained the situation to my dad, and he concluded that the guy was obstructing normal traffic and i had no option but to hit him from behind in the particular circumstance.
"The guy ended up taking us to court, showed the judge the piece of paper that i signed, i explained that I signed it under duress and that he explained that ''by law whoever hits from behind is responsible for the accident."'
"Judge looked him in the eye and asked him if thats true, he said yes, then she asked him to point out which law states that, he just shut the hell up." Reddit
Say Whatever....
Giphy"It's federal law in the US that a plain clothes or undercover police officer HAS to identify themselves as law enforcement if asked. No, it's not the law, and they can tell you whatever the heck they want." doctor-rumack
When in doubt, be sure to consult a professional or at the very least Google it!
People will do stupid things that cross the line of the law.
Cops sometimes have no choice but to arrest people who may not be the brightest. If the infraction is bad enough, lawyers will later on have to defend their clients and make sense of their bad choices.
Redditor u/BananaboiBAMF asked, "Lawyers and police officers, what is the dumbest reason you've seen someone get arrested?"Authority figures had some funny stories to share about crime gone wrong.
10. Impatience doesn't pay
"Someone in my town crashed into a telephone pole and took out the power. The road was closed off while things were sorted out. One lady decided she couldn't take the long way home and crashed into the same telephone pole. She was arrested for drunk driving."
9. Not a math wiz
Giphy"I was on a ride-along. Guy gets pulled over, hands his brother's ID to the officer. It is not a good match. Officer asks him when he was born. He gets that one right. Asks him how old he is. He's off by two years. He's being put in the car and the officer says 'You're the first guy I've arrested for bad math.'"
8. Lesson not learned
"Work for a smaller county. Last fall we got a group of people coming me down from a nearby city to rob a hemp farm, thinking it was weed growing along the highway. Several of the crack team of bandits where arrested and lodged. The kicker is it was explained explicitly how dumb it was, that you can't even get high of the stuff, but the very next weekend they came back down and tried to pull it off again. Only this time the farmer was home and ended up holding them all at gun point till we arrived."
7. This guy was long gone
"I arrested a guy who continually called 911 asking police to bring him weed and a cheeseburger. He then proceeded to eat the foam padding of my roll bars in the back seat. I've never seen someone trip so bad."
6. This proud defendant
"Not me, but my grandma was a lawyer. She had to defend someone who stole from a store in a city in Hungary around midnight. The only reason they got caught was because they used some matches to light up the place, and that set the fire alarm off. As if that wasn't enough, a few weeks later in court, my grandma tells the judge to look at the kid, how young he was and that he couldn't have been strong enough to break open the door or carry something outside and steal it. At this point the defendant stands up, points at his muscles and shouts 'hell yeah I could!'. That's basically when my grandma gave up. As far as I know he got a few months in prison."
5. The mistaken thief
"Underage 'kid' (he was 20, I think), who has been drinking and still has the beer on him, decides he's hungry. He goes into a mini mart and hides the beer in his pocket so that no one knows he's been drinking.
Goes to buy his snacks and the clerk notices that this kid has tucked extremely noticeable beers into his pocket. Clerk calls the cops and tells them that the kid was shoplifting beer.
The cops actually believed the kid's story but arrested him anyway for underage drinking. He spent the night in jail."
4. Hand sanitizer is a treasure
Giphy"There was a news story in Denmark recently. A guy had stolen the customer hand sanitizer from a pharmercy after he picked up his prescription drugs. Because of his prescription they easily identified him. Police called him and asked him to return it. He refused so they had to pay him a visit, seize the hand sanitizer and also arrest him."
3. Don't just slap people, cop or not
"My dad once got arrested because he didnt believe the cop in civies was a real cop. So he slapped him. Turns out he really was a real cop..."
2. Drove right up to a cell
"Not a police officer or a lawyer but someone I went to school with took MDMA and then decided to go for a drive and the police tried to pull him over and he tried to escape ran like 8 red lights and crashed into a prison of all places"
1. They start younger and younger...
"I used to work at a juvenile detention center. We had a local police department bring in a ten year old boy for hitting his house with a broomstick."
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