Disney theme parks are all about what is front-facing.
The magical, curated experience for paying guests is only the tip of an iceberg of hard work, dicey ethics, and a robust corporation with all the policies and economic motivations that you'd expect.
Lucky for us, some Redditors were there to see all that goes on behind the curtain.
And my goodness do they have some stories.
Redditor memezdankton asked:
"Former Disney theme park employees of Reddit, what are some dirty secrets or stories you can tell us about your time there?"
Many people were cast members: princes, princesses, people in giant, fuzzy costumes. Those smiles, plastered there for hours at a time, aren't always legitimate.
"My SIL got a the role of Cinderealla at Disneyland Paris."
"She had to practice Cinderella's autograph over and over because although different actresses play her all over the world, the signature of the character has to be identical anywhere it's signed for consistency."
"You have to be in specific height ranges to play the different characters. Because Mickey's height range is so short he's usually played by a woman. Likewise for Donald, although the most successful and best known Donald that I knew while I worked there was a little person."
"When the princess face characters come backstage they have to take off their dresses so they don't get dirty while they're on break so the princesses are usually walking around in a smock and bloomers if you see them back there. There is some serious cognitive dissonance when you walk back and see Snow White in her bloomers on her phone cursing up a storm."
"People sexually harass the characters super frequently. I was working with Ariel and cast members will always count down before they take a photo so people have time to get into position. I counted down and this teen boy decided to try to rip off one of Ariel's shells."
"I had to open his camera and expose his film so the photo didn't get developed and passed around. I found out later that I was supposed to take it to the Kodak shop to have the film developed and that one removed - but I'd always heard the rumors about ruining the film and nobody really trains you on that so I just went with it. The little a**holes deserved it."
The Show Must Go On
"Worked at Disneyland for almost 5 years. I personally haven't gone to see the 'Disney' doctor for cast members but I know friends who have an heard the doctor doesn't give a sh** about the CM's coming in for injuries."
"The time I was there, photographers and other departments weren't allowed to drink water from the water fountains because we are 'on stage.' It was a big issue the last year I worked there and some of the leads were fighting for umbrellas for photographers. It gets really brutal in Carsland where it's 5x hotter. Almost past out from the heat and dehydration."
A Very Hostile Work Environment
"I had a friend who was a gorgeous red head in her early twenties. She got cast to play Ariel at Disney World. She returned home after a few months saying that they were pressuring her into getting breast implants.
"To quote her (quoting her manager), 'There is no way Ariel has such small boobs.' "
Others discussed the employment policies that are sure to leave you scratching your head. Or calling your union rep.
What Can and Can't Be Shown
"Disneyland first interview papers include a blank outline of a person to indicate where you have tattoos."
"It's referenced if you want to change positions internally, to indicate how said tattoos could be revealed, based on what your new uniform would be."
Playing the Part
"I worked in reservations. They give you a name, that is not your own and you better use it. My name is not Robyn Leigh, but in Disney reservations, it was."
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Never a Good Sign
"Disney Employees started referring to Disneyland as Mousechwitz due to working conditions."
"Management told them to stop, so they used Duckau instead"
And others shared the obscure and strange stories that only a Disney employee, with a front row seat to a massive institution, could ever know about.
A Big Loss
"During the construction of Pandora at Animal Kingdom, a very beloved superintendent passed away on the project of an immediate heart attack. Mid-sentence and while opening the door to the construction trailer, George Burke just…died."
"The project was very affected by this. His knowledge of the work that needed to be done was deep and irreplaceable. His laughter and personality was loved by all 1400 workers that were there. A couple years after he passed, we were finishing the project and found the perfect way to pay homage to George. They invited his family to the middle of an active construction site to let them view it."
"George's red hard hat, with the black Nordic Cross on top was attached to the rockwork, in the middle of the flowing river, to the left of the entrance to Flight of Passage, and plastered over. The family, friends, and a few Imagineers, were the only people there. Only we can point out where the hardhat is underneath the plaster, theming, and plants. I revisit the spot everytime I go back to Pandora. :-) Peace!"
Truckin' It Out
"Former cast member from the early 90s. There was a central 'bank' near the Magic Kingdom tunnel entrance where all the park gift shops, restaurants etc would deposit the day's cash. Each day an armored truck would drive into the tunnel to haul away the loot. i can only imagine how much cash they took outta there!"
"I worked there for 3 months 2 years ago with my gf at the time and anything news worthy that happens there (usually negative) immediately gets shot down by the official page of Disney (Twitter, insta, Facebook etc) they keep everything hush hush."
"Lighting struck a bathroom building and there was a small fire and my gf and I weren't working that day but we were there enjoying the park for free bc we're cast members and she records it and posted it on her Twitter. News media pages were commenting and asking her questions like when, how, what's being done and before she could reply the Disney page said to disregard the video bc it wasn't true and the video is edited and the media pages stopped asking after that."
"She gets called into the office the next day and was super close to losing her job. The reason she didn't was bc of how much seniority she had but she was basically on probation after that."
It's a list that'll leave your mind wandering a whole lot more if you ever do go to Disney again.
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Art is essential way society learns and moves and evolves. Often times people can look to or quote films, books and tv shows that opened their eyes to change and made realize the meaning of empathy, particularly films. But some movies are flat out wreaking havoc on the psyche. I'm looking at you Disney. From Bambi's mother to Ariel giving up her gifts for a man. Some of their "advice" is off the rails. For instance....
Redditor u/WeeklySubject wanted to discuss the times Disney has left the wrong impression by asking.... What's the worst lesson we can learn from a Disney movie?
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Rats in a professional kitchen are OK.
Myself and all the other chefs/cooks I know love that movie for how realistic it is in so many ways, right down the to the pan burns on Collette's arm. But for true realism she should've punched him in the freaking mouth.
Just think of the happiest things, and jump off the building. Yay.
Evil people look evil.
Hans was an intelligent and manipulative character. Kinda sexy. He had a plan, adapted well to radically changed circumstances, and very nearly took over the whole kingdom over the span of 24 hours. He only got caught because he couldn't resist the temptation to villain monologue... but what Disney character can?
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Your toys are alive and resent you for giving them away.
Aladdin taught me that a legitimate government was a thing you could fake with a really good parade.
This bothered me since I was a kid. Aladdin said he "wasn't a real prince" and all we see the genie do is arrange a parade with a bunch of people who all seem to disappear as soon as the parade is over. But Aladdin didn't wish for a fake parade to pad out a long con. He wished to be a prince.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame teaches that if you're ugly, you might find acceptance, but you won't find love. Love is for the attractive characters.m
To be fair though the novel is actually waaayyy worse. Phoebus takes Esmeralda's virginity then ditches her. She ends up being hung as a witch. Quasimodo burns the church killing the priest and then disappears. Sooo... Disney's version is a little less dark.
For the Boys
Disobey your father, sell your soul to a witch, all to hook up with some guy you've never spoken to that's a completely different species and would eat your closest friends for dinner.
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Instead of owing up to your mistake, just put the entire kingdom to sleep until it's fixed.
Beware the Love
All the princess movies, minus Frozen, Brave, Moana, and The Princess and the Frog: The person you instantly fall in love with is your soulmate and you should throw everything away to be with them. The only princess I can kind forgive for this is Cinderella considering her life at home was terrible, so she wasn't losing everything by running off with the prince.
So many people I know personally have done the same thing and gotten themselves into really bad situation/abusive relationships.
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Also don't talk to strangers. Unless strangers are hot. Then talk to strangers.
Beauty and the Beast: You had better trust the woman disguised as an old lady.
Looks and $$$
A rich and handsome man will come and take your helpless butt away from all of your troubles.
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My husband's favorite movie is beauty and the beast and every time after we watch it he takes off all of his clothes and he pretends that he is the beast and he runs around the house terrorizing me.
If you're not born into power, marry for it.
A lot of people (mainly women) waste their lives away thinking that marrying a rich or powerful man will one day solve all their problems, when the vast majority will never even date one.
2 better than 1
Ralph 2 = Go turbo for your personal benefits and as the president, abandon all your citizens and abandon your best friends while you're at it.
This is referring to Vanellope.
And that is one of many reasons why I hate Wreck it Ralph 2. It took everything Wreck it Ralph 1 established and threw it all away.
I dunno. But, all the dead moms makes me feel like Disney feels some type a way about mothers.
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You fall in love with the random man who kissed while you were sleeping.
Never. Trust. Anyone. Even. If. They. Are. Family.
You can lift anything with enough balloons.
Everything worked the way a kid thinks it would. If they had changed it for realism at any point it would have broken the whole vibe.
But I'm also biased because that movie is just SO RIDICULOUSLY GOOD.
If you fall for a woman, the best way to get her to love you is to kidnap her until Stockholm Syndrome sets in. Maybe give her some hallucinogenic drugs so that she thinks that the furniture and serving wear are alive and singing to her and dancing with her.
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All animals speak fluent English.
They aren't speaking English. It's just being translated for the benefit of the audience.
In Lady and the Tramp, there was a scene where they were walking around the zoo after hours, talking to the animals. They went up to the monkey cage but all they got from them was monkey chatter because "they must be too closely related to humans."
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Marvel's 'The Eternals' Star Says Filming Of MCU's First Gay Kiss Was So Emotional That 'Everyone Cried On Set'
The Marvel train is charging forward, with the new movies in full swing of development. One of the more interesting ones is The Eternals, a movie about a secret race of superpowered humans.
The movie is also notable as another chance for the MCU to get some proper LGBTQ+ representation.
Actor Haaz Sleiman, who plays one half of the film series' first queer couple, has said the film includes Marvel's first gay kiss.
We caught up with @haazsleiman to chat about the real Rafiq, freaking out @Madonna , bottom empowerment, and… https://t.co/QmVWlypCj0— NewNowNext (@NewNowNext)1581690540.0
In an interview with LogoTV's NewNowNext, Sleiman said,
"I'm married to the gay superhero Phastos, played by 'Atlanta's' Brian Tyree Henry, and we represent a gay family and have a child."
Even beyond that, the two characters will share the first gay kiss in a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie.
"Oh, yeah, absolutely, and it's a beautiful, very moving kiss. Everyone cried on set. For me it's very important to show how loving and beautiful a queer family can be."
Which, honestly speaking, is super adorable, but it's also important for representation.
So fans have plenty of reason to be excited
birds of prey, new mutants, AND this too?? US GAYS ARE WINNING RIGHT NOW https://t.co/A6ucq6HqXr https://t.co/sqc4D7b9oO— paul is trying (@paul is trying)1581616342.0
@getFANDOM @NewNowNext I am so excited— Armie fangs (@Armie fangs)1581620264.0
Marvel introducing a black queer superhero in Eternals is the kind of positive energy that 2020 needed. 👏👏 https://t.co/Zkm03H97XJ— Christian Hubbard (@Christian Hubbard)1581617257.0
OMG HYPE LEVELS RAISED TO 1000! Eternals is lowkey trying to displace Tenet and Dune as my most anticipated film o… https://t.co/gPd5MAH8Im— But why am I so beautiful? (@But why am I so beautiful?)1581618291.0
But they also have reason to be apprehensive. In over twenty cinematic movies, an unambiguous queer character has yet to have a major role in a MCU movie.
Thor Ragnarok featured Valkyrie, who was written and Tessa Thompson portrayed as bisexual. However the scene which would have confirmed this was left on the cutting room floor.
Avengers Endgame has a cameo from director Joe Russo as a gay man at a group therapy session, mourning the loss of his partner. Which makes the first openly queer character a blink-and-you'll-miss-it scene.
You could say fans have been burned before.
@DiscussingFilm He'll be in a 2 second scene, in the background, behind a tree.— Calvin Allen (@Calvin Allen)1581624226.0
@getFANDOM @NewNowNext Watch it’ll be in the background and barely noticeable so they can edit it out for foreign a… https://t.co/esChqvHEpC— Sawyer Sabol (@Sawyer Sabol)1581619833.0
What this actually means is that they’ll be one 2 minute scene at the beginning and one 30 second scene at the end… https://t.co/cdIu2w2O8N— Jack Sloane (@Jack Sloane)1581616407.0
@getFANDOM @NewNowNext Can’t wait for it to be ambiguous and ‘up to the interpretation of the viewer’ when it relea… https://t.co/DG1u3JDMB8— Yeehhhh (@Yeehhhh)1581628207.0
Disney, the parent company of Marvel Entertainment, has a history of touting their inclusiveness with characters, but then make the scenes so small and inconsequential that they can be cut out and the movie unchanged.
This is done so the movies can be easily edited for release in countries which might have laws against homosexuality. A background lesbian kiss in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker was cut in Singapore, and it's believed the reason these scenes are made so small is to allow China to edit them out.
Because of this history, people are debating online if anything will come of this onscreen relationship.
@ndotgdot @Ritterdk1773 @getFANDOM @NewNowNext It might be in a deleted scene.— Physics Boyt (@Physics Boyt)1581617820.0
@Collider And now comes the backlash...— G.A. (@G.A.)1581962821.0
@GuardiolaAgenda @DanielRPK Middle Eastern either but they will cute the scene in china— Patrice Étienne (@Patrice Étienne)1581613484.0
@RazaneMovies @getFANDOM @NewNowNext you’re homophobia is not welcomed in this fandom especially when chris evans’… https://t.co/b1jY1pXTzN— . (@.)1581619921.0
Whether this film finally includes proper queer representation or not remains to be seen. We'll find out later this year.
The Eternals is set to release November 6, 2020. In addition to Brian Tyree Henry and Haaz Sleiman, it stars Richard Madden, Gemma Chan, Kumail Nanjiani and Angelina Jolie.
I don't mean to nitpick, but...
In Back To The Future, Marty makes sure that his parents end up together. Being such an important part of their relationship and why they're married, wouldn't they remember him? Or wonder why their son looks just like the guy that brought them together?
Redditor u/crabsmoker75 asked people about the biggest plot holes they've ever seen, and people broke down why even their most favorite movies and shows were flawed.
10. Professor Xavier wasn't thinking smart
"In X-Men, Xavier can't track Magneto because of his helmet, but he knows Sabertooth is there with him, so why not just track him?"
9. A good premise that fell apart
"In the Butterfly Effect, the entire premise and point of the movie was that tiny changes in the past can drastically change the future.
Yet, while in jail, the main character went back in time to stab his hands so that he would have "the stigmata' on his hands to scare someone. This made zero sense in the context of the movie, and was a complete a**-pull that went against the entire rest of the movie."
8. Players sat there asking, "Why can't Fawkes do it?"
"Fallout 3 before DLC, having to die instead of having your super mutant friend handle the massive radiation."
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"The Little Mermaid. Ariel can write. She could have just wrote it down for Eric. No miming involved."
6. Harry making his life harder for some reason
"why doesn't Harry Potter use his magic to cure his eyes so he doesn't have to wear glasses?:
"Why does he try and grab a letter out of the air instead of one of the hundreds on the ground? He's not the brightest which is a shame because his parents were extremely bright and talented."
5. Meanwhile, Dumbledore wasn't the best decision maker either
"All Dumbledore had to do was get the Ministry to check Sirius Black's memories and they would've known he was innocent. Especially since at that time he had a lot of influence in the Ministry. It was said by Hagrid in the first book that people had been wanting Dumbledore to be Minister for a while."
4. When editors make bad cuts
"The Lost World: Jurassic Park
The scene of the boat with the T-Rex arriving at the harbor. With the edits and scene cuts that were made here, this scene makes zero sense. How did everyone onboard die? What killed them? The Rex is in the hold and clearly didn't get out. Even if it had, how did it get to the crew on the bridge without completely destroying it?
Supposedly there were raptors on the boat as well, but this bit was cut from the final print, yet the aftermath of their presence is left in the film? Why?"
3. Is he a prince or not?"I'm sure someone else will say this too, but in Aladdin, his first wish was 'Make me a Prince' then he makes a grand princely entrance. Then for the rest of the movie, he's struggling with the fact that he's a beggar and not a prince but ... the most powerful being in the universe (with ittty bitty living space) made him a prince ... so how is he not a prince?
2. Time makes no sense in the Dragon Ball universe, just deal with it
"Namek will blow up in 5 minutes."
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"How spongebob manage to have his own home with a garden , a massive library , sun roof and other extremities and still manage to afford boating school given that mr crabs is extremely stingy"
Frozen is perhaps the ultimate Disney movie.
Ubiquitous, inescapable, a franchise that just keeps going and going and going and just when you think you might finally, at long last, be free of it, here comes a record-breaking sequel and a Broadway version to ensure that you will never, ever escape its upbeat, wintry grasp.
Clearly, Frozen has cast a spell on the world.
So it should probably come as no surprise that a family is dealing with the logical next step: a haunted doll in the image of the franchise's main character, Elsa, which *cue ominous music* keeps reappearing in their home no matter how many times they throw it in the garbage.