Science is science. Fact is fact. Truth is truth and simple is simple. These are things we must now attest to in 2021. Can we please all get onboard with what has been proven? Everything is not a hoax. One of the greatest lies that for some reason continues to circulate is also one of the most believed farces. The Earth is in fact... round. Gravity holds us down as it revolves, if it was flat.... someone would've walked off the edge by now. Its in pictures by everyone from space and on Earth. What more does it take?Redditor u/jbarms wanted to hear from those of us who have come around to giving into facts and science and those of us who brought people to the "circle" by asking..... Former Flat Earthers. What made you come round?
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Quote I got from somewhere...
"for 5 years I believed the Earth was flat, then I turned 6".
Love the Sphere
I convinced a flat earther, temporarily, by asking him if it was possible for a sphere to be so large that you could not tell it was a sphere my simply being on the surface of it. It took him a while, I used an analogy of a extremely long line that was so slightly curved you could not tell so by looking at a small section of it. Eventually he said yes to the sphere and I told him that was how big the earth is.
A few days later he reverted, most of these people aren't mentally stable, they believe in a lot of conspiracies.
Edit: Corny edit, but as connoisseur of flat earth content my personal favorite is Professor Dave on YouTube. He is a underappreciated dude who just had a Science channel on YouTube and got brigaded by flat earthers for an unrelated video. He made like 6 video responses in total just owning these guys but they eventually gave up. Check it out.
Get a Clue
Look, it's really easy:
If the Earth is flat, there would be an edge(s). And there would be a freaking Disney park at the edge, and we could bungie jump off the side and paraglide into the void etc etc.
Someone would be making an absolute ton of money off of it - if it existed.
Guess what? Nobody is doing that -- in this world where absolutely everything is exploited for profit -- if no one is making money off of it then it does.not.exist. No edge. Not flat. Get a clue.
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I was debating a flat earther in Mexico, and I asked him about how GPS worked if there were no satellites.
He said that they had devices in the ground to route you.
I told him the Mexican government is barely able to put decent water pipes in the ground; would he really think they had the tech to put routing devices in the ground?
He chuckled with a thousand mile gaze.
"Truth behind the curve"
I watched a documentary about flat earthers called "Truth behind the curve" and my analysis from watching that these flat earthers are a group of people who found a community to be a part of. It's a shame their community is based on a lie, but I saw a bunch of people who were to be part of a community.
Most of the people were social awkward and what not, and so an opportunity to be an influential figure within the community so they double down on their flawed logic.
The more against you are of them, the harder they rep their flatness.
TLDR: I see flat earthers as a group of lonely people looking for a community that will accept them.
edit: wtf did not expect this comment to blow up. Thanks for the silver, and the dialogue everyone.
"What do you think now," said the Captain.
The inclined seat conformed perfectly to his body, strategically placed in the cockpit so he could reach no buttons with outstretched arms. The straps anchored him firmly in place, they were uncomfortable but necessary. The engine burst to life with a roar that burned out all the other audio, the vibrations tore through his body and he felt his body sink back into the seat as the G-Force began to take hold.
The captain was watching the readouts on the LED displays and monitoring their trajectory as the acceleration began to peel his thoughts away, there was no more room in his brain, it had been filled by pure fear. The boosters grew with greater ferocity as they lifted higher into the sky, the sun beaming down on the left side of the shuttle.
But faster they went.
Through max Q and higher into the stratosphere until the engines grew quieter, the air more silent, and the vibrations became less violent. They were approaching space, the final frontier.
An hour later, and with the path of the shuttle a success he noticed as his raw emotions withdrew that his body felt funny, head hair drifted aimlessly across his eyes as the captains pen hovered in mid air and he knew the impossible was true, his childhood dream, he was in space. Weightless.
The captain turned around to him, and motioned him to unhook his seatbelts. He did as he was commanded. They both left their chairs and glided over to the tiny glass windows to overlook the magnificence of Earth.
"What do you think now," said the Captain.
He recoiled in horror, it couldn't be. NASA had replaced the windows with high definition screens in order to perpetrate their lies that the world was spherical. Those b**tards.
Throw a Rock
I talked to a flat-earther about my job working for a company that tracks ship locations, routes, and speeds by satellite. We also had ways of monitoring carbon emissions based on fuel consumption and known weather conditions. None of this would work at all if the earth was flat. Not a jot of it. I could only explain the most basic concepts, but it was enough for him to understand and realise that I was right and that he'd been convinced by someone who had no practical experience of the spherical nature of the Earth.
I think that's what really did it - my experience was really tangible. This happens then this happens then we measure this etc etc... no theory, just practice. A bit like showing a child a rock dropping to the ground in order to explain gravity, rather than giving them the whole theoretical shebang. Y'know?
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Had to travel to Japan, gave up on my beliefs in order to make a shorter trip.
I said the same thing on another post. However someone more familiar with the conspiracy said they believe the earth is actually a circle with the north pole in the middle with the south pole, or Antarctica encircling us. For me it just brought up more questions.
I spent about a year infiltrating the flat Earth community on Instagram. I garnered a decent following with an account dedicated to flat earth travel photos (an intentionally absurd premise). In that time I learned a quite a bit about the community including how to discern the trolls from the real deal. The majority of legit flat earthers are extremely distrustful of anything the government says or does. These same people are 9/11 truthers, Holocaust deniers, and anti-vaxxers and they connect these conspiracies together.
Many of them have also attached flat Earth theory to religion, magic, or mysticism. Before my infiltration I'd always considered conspiracies fun. Like they were the fan fiction of real life. Now they mostly make me sad. For all the phoney accounts like mine, there are still plenty of people out there willing to drop a couple of hundred dollars on a flat Earth convention.
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A serious answer here.
The thing that made me stop was just the question "why would NASA lie to you."
Not a flat earther. But I was a 9-11 "truther" I guess you could say--insofar as I thought it was an inside job. I was heavily influenced and believed in multiple conspiracies in the Zeitgeist film as well. There was a never ending source of dark, shadowy "they's and them's" controlling everything behind the scenes.
I think there were a few factors that helped me escape that:
- Losing my father. It was such a life changing event at that age that it made me reconsider everything in my life.
- Some light training in evaluating information. I learned about how to vet sources, primary, whether something was actually news or just an opinion/editorial, etc.. Ironically, this education came before I was duped. After my dad died, suddenly this started to kick in more.
- Lack of time/means to dig myself a deeper hole. I started college shortly after my father passed and that + a full time job took up all my time. I had none to buy further into the newest crazy BS. I had no Facebook/Twitter/IG/etc.. No smart phone or texting. My primary use of Reddit once I discovered it was for r/Naruto, r/Bleach, rage comics, and advice animals.
So all in all, I think the time away gave me time to detox. If I had been on social media as I discovered those things, I can only imagine I very well may have become a Q believer as well. Looking back I see how gullible I was in that moment, fooled by the onslaught of half truths and clever "logic" of the various theories. I know better now (and I should have known better then), but I've been humbled to the fact that everyone is vulnerable to this sort of stuff. To think otherwise is deluding yourself.
Not me, but got a flat Earther to question his beliefs (and hopefully critically analyze them) by giving him the proof he asked for, to which he responded "mainstream science and media are lies". I asked why he asked for proof if he could just disregard it as lies either way, then told him that since he required no proof (or evidence against) to believe something, it made him the easiest person to deceive and that it seemed pretty sheep-like to me.
He deleted all of his flat earth comments and hasn't posted about it since.
ETA: Holy Round Earth, Batman! Thank you for the karma and awards and GOOOOOLD! I promise I'll screenshot next time!
ETA2: He didn't block me, I can still see everything he posts/posted, and the OP thread creator also said the comment disappeared. Shame... Shame... Shame...
Surprisingly enough. Facts and logic. More specifically star patterns. What we observe can not happen on a flat earth.
Obviously there's a lot of memeing around here, but if the question was meant seriously we should understand what exactly Flat Earth belief is. As Dan from the channel Folding Ideas puts it in his excellent video In Search Of A Flat Earth:
Nominally, Flat Earth is a belief that the Earth isn't a globe, but is actually flat, a fact that has been kept from Us, meaning normal people, by a nebulous, powerful Them for nefarious, inscrutable purposes. ... I think it's worth considering that the shape of the Earth might actually be the least important belief of Flat Earth. Flat Earth is a syncretic, biblical belief that is both evangelical and apocalyptic. ... The world is flat and They are hiding that fact from you because a flat Earth would be irrefutable proof that we live in a divine fishbowl and, thus, that God is real.
Flat Earthers are not otherwise empty vessels who believe one kooky thing. They believe that thing because it suits their purposes. Flat Earthers have an agenda. ... Their anxiety is that the world has become too complex, that too many things are changing, and that science and progressivism are actively malicious elements working to obstruct the true nature of God. Most people don't actually believe Flat Earth because they were persuaded by shoddy evidence... they do so because it says something they already believe about the nature of the social world. Didgeridoox
I suspect that some people who deny crap like this are the same people who just wants to be different. They'll say they disliked a movie because the majority likes it. They'll say they don't enjoy a type of food coz most do. Basically.... They don't really care how they truly feel about something. They just want to be different and say the opposite of the majority. Maybe not with everything. But they'll choose a few things in life because they want to feel special.
Half a Decade
It took about five years. It was a lot of wilfull ignorance on my part, I just refused to question the logic of it. In fact I spent most of my time coming up with crazy fantasies about a lot of things I didn't understand. But you have to understand that there is just so much we don't know about that sometimes our priority on what is real and what can be believed can get confused. I was learning so much so fast that I really didn't question something so inane as the world being flat.
Of course it was, why wouldn't it be. The day that changed it forever though was when I asked my father what happens when you get to the edge of the world, he of course said the world is round like a ball. Being about five years old I thought that made a lot of sense.
Okay I get the question is funny and all but I actually did believe, for a time, that the earth was flat. I was raised in a very religious family, and basically came to the conclusion that the Bible declared the earth was flat, because since I believed the earth was created in seven days, the idea that God set the stars in the sky in one day made much more sense if the stars were simply points of light in a sort of snowglobe formation extrapolated onto a bigger scale.
Otherwise, he took one day out of the seven to make a septillion or so balls of flaming gas, all with their own planets, and set each one into galaxies before breaking for lunch. It just didn't make sense to me that he would spend five days on one planet, and make the creation of the trillions of other stuff in the universe a little footnote. I was confronted about this belief a couple times, only one of which wasn't laughed off.
That single person who engaged started a serious discussion, presenting much more evidence for the globe earth, and eventually told me to watch Carl Sagan. The Cosmos series was on YouTube, and once I watched it, I had to know more. Finally, a video from the channel MinutePhysics convinced me, in no uncertain terms, that the earth was round. All it took was one quote, which I still remember leaving chills down my spine: "you should have put a serious tag on this question."
Let me explain...
When I was a tutor there was this guy who went back to college to get a degree. We dealt with everything from the top of the class students to special needs students. He was doubtful of science because it has been wrong in the past, and was very stubborn and bad at logic. What he did was hear a description of something and if it made sense he would latch onto it if it didn't he would say it is false entirely.
Vaccines are good for you. Yep it is like a workout for your immune system.
Earth is round. Nope it looks flat when i look at it.
He was very hard to help because he would argue with you about everything. Try to explain anything in a non-intuitive way and he would ask countless questions, and once you need to check for an answer he would treat it like a gotcha and like the whole explanation is wrong. He enjoyed explaining a scientific topic the way a stoner tries though with things half right.
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My FIL is a flat earther and all around nutcase. I asked him if the earth was flat and you was right, what then? How is your life any different? His face was priceless because he didn't have an answer. It was great.
God did It...
Met a couple. One was so "clever" at not believing what the sheeple all believe he didn't believe anything that he hadn't found through conspiracy theories somewhere. It wasn't so much that he didn't believe in science/scientists but that he only believed what he could see himself. And any time you tried to question any of his theories beyond what was rational he would ignore the question entirely or bring up something about you that he though made you stupid.
The other got his knowledge from religion and any question that he hadn't learned an answer from the bible or his pastor for was "God did it."
Man, I figured there would only be a couple legit ones but I was really interested. Instead it's the same tired old jokes you've been recycling for the past few years. Don't you guys get tired of upvoting dogcrap like "there's flat earthers all over the globe."
I think the problem is that flat earthers who change their mind are incredibly rare. There's not many flat earthers to begin with and only a tiny percentage of them will ever change their mind.
I'm not a flat earther, but I wanna ask them, "why would NASA and the govt lie to you? Why would they spend extra energy and time and money and whatever faking crap like the moon landing and outer space pictures of earth.
But there would be no reason the USSR would just admit defeat instead of calling bull if the landings were indeed fake.
All the other stuff you mentioned though, yeah, there's nothing to gain from it.
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I once had a conversation with a professional UFC fighter and outspoken Flat Earther. I tried to explain how Archimedes was able to prove the Earth was round just by using his shadow. I mentioned air travel and how Hawaii and Japan are not 20+ hours of flying apart.
But what I think got through to him the most was seasons. This particular guy was Brazilian. I explained that because the Earth is round, it's possible to be winter in Brazil and summer in the USA and vice versa. He nodded and stared off into the distance silently and the conversation was over. I don't think I "converted" him but it gave him significant pause at the very least.
Man, we really need this knowledge now. I don't know how we are going to reach "Stop the Steal" truthers when they already think they know more than the Supreme Court, 60 Republican and Democratic-appointed federal judges, every state Election Commission, every Republican and Democratic governor, Trump's (now former) right-hand man and Attorney General of the United States William Barr, and the party-warrior and Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConell. Somehow, we have to find a way. I was thinking the other day about whether the flat earth movement shows us the way out of this situation America finds itself in because it seems to be a very similar phenomenon.
Good question OP.
The Fire Ball
Sunsets man. Sunsets. I watched all these videos read a book on it talked to people about it. I was one of them. Everyone else was crazy for not seeing the truth.(still i have a lot of questions about how the heck this thing could possibly be a globe but thats besides the point) but i had an answer for everything. People would ask why don't we fall off the edge? There is no edge the earths an infinite space. Why do balloons pop when they go high enough?
Because theres only so much air and it sinks to the earths surface but eventually you can fly above it and then theres no pressure of the air pushing against the ballon so it pops. Hows gravity work? Gravity is made up i believe in buoyancy. But one day somebody asked me if the sun is a spotlight in the sky, then how does a sunset work? I was like uh... and i looked into it. Couldn't find anything that makes sense. Sunsets turned me back.
While having coffee with my sister one day, she revealed that she was a flat earther.
I said I wasn't going to try and convince her otherwise because if literally millions of pieces of evidence doesn't convince you, then nothing I can say will, but I will ask you a couple of question so that I can understand a bit more. This was the brief conversation:
Q. Do you think the sun is round? Her answer - It appears to be
Q. Do you think the moon is round? Her answer - it appears to be
Q do you think all the other planets are round? Her answer - they appear to be
So to clarify, you're saying that the sun, the moon and all the planets are round but we're floating on a flat disk in the same space. Ok.
I think it made a difference from the look on her face but we've never spoken of it again.
I entertained it for a while. What convinced me the earth was a sphere was a video I came across of a group of flat earthers doing a laser test over water. They found a stretch of level water around 2 miles long, then used level lasers to measure the distance from the water. The test came back quite accurately indicating the earth was a sphere and not flat. They all got super upset and were crying about it. Seems like a doable and effective test and their reaction, confusion and heartbreak seemed genuine.
The GPS Knows
Another "not me but might have convinced someone else" story.
I was on the bus home and a flat earther decided to talk with me about something. Idk what it was but the conversion quickly turned to the earth being flat. Humoring him I asked 'if the earth is flat how does GPS work?' He told me that GPS comes from cell towers. I pressed him and told him 'that can't be true because I have an app on my phone that shows my location on a pdf when I have no cell signal.
I use it when I go hiking in the mountains.' He told me that 'the GPS signal is so much stronger than the cellphone signal that I would still get it up there.' Just then we passed though a tunnel and I asked him 'why, if the signal is stronger, do I lose GPS tracking in a tunnel?' He seemed confused and just said 'I don't know I'm just asking questions.'
As a general rule all flat eathers are just trolls and I tell that to their face if it comes up. That out of hand dismissal by itself tends to shake them. But I was in a playful mood that day.
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My daughter (13) just told me yesterday that she was a flat earther until about 4th grade. Not sure how I missed that for so long. Says she figured it out seeing some pictures of the earth from outer space.
Part of the Cult
A question I wonder about is can a flat earther ever stop being one?
I think it's a question for psychologists. Being a flat earther isn't about facts, it's a way to gain an identity and reassurance. A flat earther wants to not walk the earth not understanding anything and not knowing who to trust. It's a way to carve a sense of self out of a sense of incompetence.
Instead of walking around as an idiot, now you tell yourself you are one of the few who knows the truth and can't be tricked like the other headless sheep.
To stop being a flat earther would be to give up this coping mechanism to deal with your own mediocrity. Even worse, it would be admitting you were wrong, and therefore again reaffirming the thing you were running away from to begin with: the fact that you are just another idiot who doesn't know anything.
So I doubt anyone can give up being a flat earther without first overcoming the original psychological need that brought them there in the first place. Just like any other cult (yes, I'm talking about you trumpists out there). The more invested you are in the lie the longer and harder the withdrawal process will be.
Was friend to a flat earther a couple of years ago before the time when they came up with the idea that Australia was not real and it's just a hoax by the British govt. fast forward to the time when they finally came up with that crap, needless to say, this flat earther had a sudden change of heart, at first it didn't process to him that Australia is just a hoax that it's not real. Then finally came to his senses that the earth is round and he's been a moron for being a flat earther. Reason for his roundabout? We live in Australia.
Such a Tease
I actually love the flat earth argument. Every time I encounter an anti-vaxer or a plandemic nut I listen and agree. I then make them listen to "my" logic on how the earth is flat. Every time they respond by picking apart the flat earth logic. I then defend the flat earth and sincerely compare my "proof" to their "proof" against vaccines or Covid. They get so frustrated that I compare their point of view to something as dumb as flat earth. This is especially fun with the anti-vaccine crowd because they think they understand data and scientific research.
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The friend of a student of mine once said the earth had to be flat as the soles of our shoes were flat and if it were round we wouldn't be able to walk on it. I was so baffled I couldn't even answer. Took me a while to think of telling him that actually the soles of our feet are arched.
Let it Be
Serious answer here.
I was really into flat earth, I never admitted to being 100% sure it was, because I wasn't, but I know the general aspect of how it could be possible. I'm not sure if I "converted" but I just decided to stop giving it the time and attention I was dedicating it. Like there are lots of thing wrong with the flat earth theory, but there are also lots of questionable things regarding the earth being a globe. So, for me its more of a live and let live kind of thing.
Leaving it like that, just because I don't feel like writing a whole monument script of my thoughts right now.
The Stars Aligned
After I saw a computer simulation of how stars movement would look like if we were indeed on a flat surface. It was based on human point of view aka how our own eyes sees stars and planets. If I find it again, will share it here.
The Physics Guy
I was "The physics guy." So once, when the neighbor's home schooled kids started asking about earth and stuff, my wife invited them over. I had a globe, a ball that i used as the moon, a lamp that i used as the sun, he whole lesson plan.
i explain about seasons, and eclipses, and day/night.
I explain about the phases of the moon.
after about an hour, the dad (THE DAD ?!?!?!) asks me, "wait, are we on the outside or in the inside of the globe. "
it must have been a brain fart, the guy's not an idiot, but it amazed me that this is the first he ever thought about earth at all.
He asked me "majornerd, you are a smart guy, how do we know the earth is round"
I said "you'd think it would be because we went to space"
he said "yeah, but we didn't. It was a lie to fool the Russians."
To which I replied, "that's not how we know the earth is round. We've known for centuries that it was round."
"It's easy, and you can do this too. Stand on any dock in the world and look to the ocean. What part of the boat do you see first?"
"Huh? I don't know."
"You see the mast and sails first. The question is why? The hull is much larger, why do we see the top of the mast, then the sails, then the hull?"
"I don't know"
"Because the earth is curved. So the tip of the boat appears first as the rest comes into view, literally around a corner"
"Holy crap, I'm forty and nobody has ever explained that so easy to me. I have to think about this."
He told me a couple days later that I changed his mind on the subject. He had no idea we had known for so ever loving long.
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I studied math in college, and the Flat Earth webpage had a link to explain the math behind why the Earth is flat. I was curious to see whether they actually could mathematically prove the Earth is flat.
The math was total BS and I realized then that I'm making a huge mistake.
Oh they know...
99% of flat Earthers don't really, truly believe it. What they believe is that scientists are liars, the government is preventing us from understanding the natural world, and they enjoy seeing just how scientifically illiterate the average person is. Part of what makes them believe it is that most people have no idea how to explain it because they just accepted it. They watched that Columbus Disney movie or just took it as gospel from a teacher but probably can't prove the Earth is round. That feeds the doubt. But deep, deep down they know they are wrong. Except for the truly delusional ones.
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Look, most people here don't really know what they're talking about.
The ones saying "it's simple, if ___ then ___." It's not that simple. I've seen a lot of this flat earth community, and I'm telling you there is an explanation for everything. This is like the MCU of conspiracy theories, it goes very deep. I get why people fall for it.
Just for Fun
My husband and I have talked about this a lot. He saw some flat earth stuff, and started the conversation with how do we know the earth is round? I'm 99 percent sure he knows the earth is round, but he debates it in fun so earnestly I love to bring it up around groups of people because it's hilarious.
Anyway, my question has and always will be... why would anyone lie about the earth being round? How could anyone believe that all the countries of the world have somehow all collaborated together to lie to all citizens that the earth is round when it's truly flat. What benefits are there to this?
Out in the World
An ex of mine was brought up as a Creationist.
She said there was a moment after she moved out to university and she went to a museum and there was a display about evolution and her mind was BLOWN. She told me she stared at it for hours then went home.
Teacher Knows best
One of my Geometry students believed the earth was flat. I found out because the other students were mocking her for it. I told them to knock it off, and then quietly didn't the rest of the year trying to demonstrate how the earth was not, in fact, flat. We did a day on spherical Geometry and measuring angles on a sphere.
We did projections from three to two dimensions and looked at different maps of the earth. They drew the continents on an orange and then peeled it different ways to make it lay flat, and compared distortions between the different ways of opening.
I got and airline pilot to come talk about using math, and one kid asked why they fly over Greenland to get to London, so he grabbed my gloves and talked about segments of great circles and how beautiful it was to see the earth curve away through the windscreen. We measured a bunch of shadows on our football field and then Skyped a buddy in Alaska, whose class measured shadows on their field, and tried to use our data to calculate the radius of the earth. (we were way off).
I there in a calculus activity on local linearity- that any curve can be assumed straight on some small scale, and explicitly stated that it was like how earth looks flat to us but is really a sphere. We even watched videos of tall mast ships disappearing over the horizon during the break in the final exam.
At the end of the year, I pulled her aside and asked if she believed the earth was flat. She said, "well, for airplanes and boats and stuff, and like Geometry, it's a sphere, but really it's flat."
So, she knew it was round, but chose to believe it to be flat.
Almost got Me
I was never a flat earther, but I went down the rabbit hole one day and let myself hear out their main arguments and had a moment when I started getting freaked out and scared that it could be true. So, I googled proof that it was spherical and quickly found several practical experiments that you can do at home which prove it is a sphere.
I ran into a young man (I worked with his brother ages ago) while visiting my hometown and sometime during our stop and chat he began saying things about how the earth is flat.
My boyfriend and I glanced at each other and realized at the same time that this person was serious and not messing around.
I asked how he knew, tried my best not to let on that I was shocked I'd finally met a flat earther.
His reasoning was that when you look at the water (he's only seen a few Great Lakes and rivers) that the sky doesn't curve and the water looks flat all the way out.
He had a few other reasons and it was sad because his "proof" was due to his limited ability to travel out of Michigan and actually see things. I think if other people and also the planet seemed more real that a lot of individuals would be better for it.
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My husband was really questioning it but then I went in a private jet and went so high that I was able to see curvature the earth first hand. I took a lot of photos and he was convinced after that.
She IS Smart...
My SIL is a flat-earther. She is very educated. That being said... we think she is likely mentally ill or has some kind of mental issue. She believes all kinds of conspiracy theories and falls for all the fake news. Despite having a Master's degree she seems to possess zero critical thinking skills.
Matches the Floor
Former flat earther here.
Thought the earth was flat because the floor in the room I was in was flat. Then I turned like, a few years old.
Probably, anyway. Nobody should figure out the earth is round while they're old enough to remember how.
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I once had a debate with a dude that was arguing for the flat earth theory... I'm still not sure if he actually believes it, or was just playing devil's advocate. I've never asked, because if it's the former, that is a rabbit hole I have no interest in exploring.
I have a co-worker that thinks the Earth is flat. His logic is that god did it to show humans they were special and the devil works with a Jewish shadow government to lie to the world in order to "maintain control".
You should visit voat.co it's where the crazies convene and share their "proof" for a number of conspiracy theories.
Not a former flat earthist, but I've reminded a few of them about gravity, and how it exerts its force around matter in spherical shape. And when they rebuttal "Gravity is a flawed theory", I remind them that the gravitron's existence has already been confirmed. That convinced the majority of them.
I don't believe in flat earth, but theres some psychology behind this. Most people choose to beat people with the right answer rather than guiding them down a gentle path to it. If I was in intellectual darkness, I'd stay away from someone who chooses to blast a floodlight of truth in my face, but would easily accept it if it starts dim and then gradually gets brighter.
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I wasn't entirely a flat earther but when I was younger, I was falling for everything I could find on the internet: hollow earth, flat earth, we're actually inside the hollow earth etc etc.
I fell in and out of the belief over time until I saw a video of an experiment where one group flew a helicopter far out over the ocean and another group watched it with a powerful telescope as it slowly lowered to the horizon. It disappeared behind the horizon while the helicopter was still a considerable distance from the ground. That ended that phase for me for good.
I doubt you'll find many, if any reformed flat earthers. For people like that who are so entrenched within their ideology, the flat earth isn't just something they believe, it's who they are. They have flat earth friends, listen to flat earth podcasts, watch flat earth YouTube, and wear flat earth clothes to their flat earth meetings. Even if deep down, someone like that had an epiphany and realized that they were wrong, imagine how hard it would be to reject all of these relationships, the community, and the friends that are held together because of that one common belief. It's similar to why it's so hard for people to leave cults or extremist religious or political groups.
As someone who entertained but never genuinely believed the idea and went pretty deep down the rabbit hole it's distance/time. On a flat earth map circling the north pole should be an extremely short trip while circling the south pole would be the longest route on the planet. The further south you get the further apart things should be and the longer trips would take. The flat earth map really falls apart there. Once they start arguing that time works differently based on location you know there's no way to justify the argument.
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I think my favorite recorded Flat Earther interaction was when Elon Musk tweeted at the Flat Earth Society and asked them why they believed the Earth was flat when we could plainly see that Mars is round.
They responded that unlike the Earth, Mars has been observed to be round.
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After nearly a decade of Shark Tank, I always wonder what inventions are left to be created? Well apparently, plenty. Everyone out there seems to be brimming with ideas for things that can make life more productive and a tad easier. One of us has something that we know is that billion dollar idea that can revolutionize an industry. Give me a minute...
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Temperature regulating clothing. Like, ahhh it's too cold, and the clothing gets you warm. Or later it's like ahhhh it's too warm, then the clothing automatically goes woosh woosh and you're back to normal.
The perfect snack food. I want a savory, trailmix-esque food that tastes like a regularly meal (rice bowl, beef stew, French fries, etc.) with the protein content of regular trail mix and the nutritional value of a multivitamin.
I've wanted this for years. I think that's why I eat chicken broccoli and rice so often.
Zero gravity rooms. Who doesn't wanna just go inside a room and float for fun?
They do have zero gravity rooms but the zero gravity only lasts 30 seconds at a time and costs about $5,000. Look up "vomit comet". It's a plane that flies in a sinusoidal up-and-down flight path. It's like skydiving while still inside the plane but you never reach terminal velocity because the plane dives with you.
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People on Mars. Seriously it's been 50 years since we got to the moon? I want to be able to see the first humans on Mars before I die.
For the Boys....
Birth control pills for Men.
I read that the problem is actually to do with assessing the risk of side effects. In men, you're comparing the side effects to their "normal body". That means its difficult to get medication passed as easily. But in women without birth control, you are then facing all the potential life threatening complications of pregnancy and childbirth.
So the risk assessment is framed completely differently, and that's why more options for women are available.
The science is there for male contraception. And its not just some "men couldn't handle the side effects women put up with" situation. Its more complicated.
In the Air
Low emission commercial air travel.
I always find myself wishing that blimps and dirigibles were commonplace these days. It's like taking a train through the sky! I also wish train travel was common here in the US like it used to be.
A way to get away from your abusive parents without going into the crappy foster care system. Maybe just let the kids choose their own parents or rent a room like anyone else or stay in the school classroom each night.
The perfect 2000 calorie diet in frozen meal form without 200% of your DV of sodium.
I don't understand why a company hasn't made a meal plan that is actually healthy and affordable. Something like 15 dollars a day for perfect macros and micronutrients with a double protein option for lifting.
Freaking cooking. Ugh.
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Science is fascinating and fun. Too many of us discover that fact too late. We all need to pay attention in school far sooner. The universe and all of its secrets are a treasure trove of amazing, we need only look to understand. And finding the understanding is all the fun. Nature, chemicals, life, death, humans, inventions, the cosmos... it's all connected. Get a pencil... I'll explain.
Redditor u/jdgiabajwbdidb wanted to discuss the awe inspiring moments science has to offer by asking.... What is a science fact that not many people know that will change the way they look at life?
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Elephants are known to bury their dead under foliage and remain with the bodies for some time afterwards, exhibiting behavior not dissimilar to human mourning. Indeed, it is the association of apparent grief or mourning that is considered to indicate a 'burial', as opposed to simply covering up or disposing of a body.
I also read somewhere that they have buried humans.
Most people know that the mosquito is the deadliest animal when it comes to total human deaths ever. Next to humans of course. And this is due to the malaria parasite spread by mosquitoes. It is estimated that four to five per cent of all humans that have ever lived died from malaria (rather than half as some sources state).
The treatment for malaria is quinine, which was known since the 1700's. This is often contained in tonic water, which is bitter and not that palatable. The anecdotal story is that during the days of British colonization of India, the British East India Company had of course problems with malaria.
Drinking tonic water was not popular with the British, so what'd they do? add booze, i.e. gin. And this is where you get gin and tonic.
Of course modern research has shown that the amounts of tonic water you'd need is quite large (~1 liter for a minimal effect) to make that story apocryphal at best (although I know some people who probably managed to meet the necessary quota to ward of malaria). But it is interesting to think that we managed to make the treatment for one of the worst disease humanity has known into a cocktail.
What is real though is that malaria can be used to treat syphilis. Malaria causes a high fever which kills the syphilis bacteria. In fact, Dr Julius Wagner-Jauregg received the Nobel Prize in Physiology in 1927 for this discovery (but he later became a hardcore Nazi and eugenisist. Of course we no longer use this because the mortality rate was 15%, but this was much lower than the death rate for syphilis.
Unfortunately, many parts of the world still suffer from malaria, where it is still a major killer.
Not a single Tarantula species is able to kill you with venom, so if you see a big hairy boy just know, it can't kill you, not yet, also link to a picture of my escaped...
There are more ways to shuffle a deck of cards than there are atoms making up the entire earth (or atoms in the universe if you use 2 decks), thats because the potential options are 52 factorial or 52×51×50×49... etc. chances are if you've shuffled a deck of cards then you've likely made history as that sequence has statistically NEVER happened before. Even if you had a trillion planets with a trillion people all shuffling a deck if cards every second since the moment of the big bang wed only just now be repeating sequences.
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Water does not innately conduct electricity, it is all the dissolved stuff that allow electricity to pass through it.
Water is fascinating stuff.
The Amazon Rainforest isn't actually the lungs of Earth. Almost all the Oxygen generated by the Amazon is used by the life found in the Amazon. 40% of Earth's oxygen is actually produced by tiny Organisms called Diatoms.
These organisms can replicate at an incredible rate and trillions of them spread throughout the Oceans and create Oxygen through photosynthesis. When the Diotoms die they transform into underwater snowflakes that remain on the sea floor. When these seas dry up, the dead Diatoms create a salt desert, like the one in Northern Africa.
Huge sandstorms pick the Diotoms up and carry them across the Oceans and drop them down on the Amazon and are used as a fertilizer for the rainforest.
Where are Diatoms born? The rainforest, they spread to the sea, create Oxygen through photosynthesis, die, create salt deserts, get taken back to the rain forest and help create the rainforest that creates them.
That's the circle of life right there.
In the Cosmos
On average, Mercury is the nearest planet to every planet in our solar system.
fit all of the planets in the solar system between the Earth and the Moon
Had to look that up. It's true.
Part of what threw me are all the crazy and awkward analogies you hear whenever you watch a space documentary that are meant to impress upon the viewer the immensity of the universe... like, "You can fit 80 gagillion Rose Bowls inside Jupiter's giant red spot and still have room for 7000 Eiffel Towers laid end-to-end."
The Family Tree
Everyone on earth is at least 50th cousin with everyone else on Earth.
And if you are currently dating or married to somebody who is from your own country and is of your own ethnicity, there's a one in five chance that the two of you share a common family member fewer than 10 generations ago.
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Earthquakes can happen literally everywhere on Earth, however humans rarely feel anything below a 2.5 in magnitude.
Something I read earlier: Babies have around 100 more bones than adults Babies have about 300 bones at birth, with cartilage between many of them. This extra flexibility helps them pass through the birth canal and also allows for rapid growth. With age, many of the bones fuse, leaving 206 bones that make up an average adult skeleton.
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That the human skin Is quite heavy Its around 16% of your body weight.
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A biologist, an engineer, and a mathematician observe an empty building...
They see two people entering the building and sometime later, see three coming out. The biologist declares, "Oh, they must have reproduced." The engineer argues, "Our initial count must have been incorrect." The mathematician says, "Now if one more person goes into the building, it will be completely empty."
I was never a big fan of math or science, but that joke makes me chuckle. You don't necessarily have to be a master of those subjects to understand the punch lines. When Redditor u/Butcheey asked people, "What's a good science joke?", some very smart people stepped up to deliver laughs. And while they honestly go over my head sometimes, hopefully their nuances won't be lost on you!
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Ivan Pavlov is sitting in a bar. The phone behind the bar starts ringing. Pavlov shoots up out of his chair and shouts, "Oh, s**t! I forgot to feed the dog!"
For the math heads
An infinite number of mathematicians walk into a bar. The first one says to the bartender: "I'll have a beer." The second one says: "I'll have half a beer." The third one says: "I'll have a quarter of a beer."
The bartender pours two beers and says "you guys need to learn your limits."
What's the difference?
Einstein and his wife were going through a rough time:
Einstein: "What can I do, I'll do anything"
Wife: "I just need two things right now, space and time"
Einstein: "and the second?"
Rocks can be fun
2 tectonic plates bumped into each other. 1 said, oops, my fault! :)
People slate geology jokes way too much
Anyone a plumber or chemist?
How do you tell the difference between a chemist and a plumber? Ask them to pronounce unionized
I love this joke, because it works perfectly in a written format, but there's no good way to express it orally.
That's true for any job
I'm an electrical engineer and whenever somebody asks how my day was, I always say it had its positives and negatives.
I used to be into model rocketry. Anytime someone commented on how cool that is, I would say it had its ups and downs.
What do these two know?
Heisenberg and Schrodinger are traveling in a car when they get pulled over. The cop asks Heisenberg, "Do you know how fast you were going?"
Heisenberg replies, "no, but I can tell you exactly where I was."
The officer takes this peculiar response as grounds to search the vehicle. Upon opening the trunk of the car, he finds a dead cat. He then asks the two men "did you know there was a dead cat in the trunk?"
Schrodinger replies "well I do now!"
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The bartender says "sorry, we don't server faster than light particles here."
Two tachyons walk into a bar.
You know what the worst thing about time travel jokes is?
Why did no one say a word when the king farted?
Because noble gases don't cause reactions
Helium walked into a bar Bar tender says We don't server Noble Gases round here. Helium Doesn't react
This joke has layers
Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, and Blaise Pascal are all playing a game of hide and seek. It's Einstein's turn to be "it", so he closes his eyes and starts counting. Pascal immediately goes and finds a place to hide. Newton however doesn't go anywhere. Instead he takes out a piece of chalk, draws a 1m X 1m square on the floor, and steps inside it. Einstein finally gets done counting, opens his eyes, and exclaims "Aha, Newton I have found you!" To which Newton replies "But no, you have found Pascal!"
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Everywhere you look, there are people navigating life, pressing on through it despite massive gaps in understanding. And sure, things can still chug along and steamroll through the far-reaching oversights.
But how wonderful it would be if we could just shake people by the shoulders and explain a few key concepts to make so many people become better humans.
A recent Reddit thread called for users far and wide to contribute the one topic or concept that they feel more people need to understand better. The subjects spanned science, the law, public health, and the good old fashioned human values.
Medicalkush asked, "What do you wish more people understood?"
We're Getting There, But We Have So Much Work to Do
"The importance of mental health. I wish it was viewed to be equally important as physical health by more people." -- not-a-real_username
"i find everyone's so quick to talk about supporting those who are struggling until they actually have to deal with a person who's struggling."
"then you're hit with the ignorant comments that do nothing but make you realize why everyone chooses to suffer in silence, including yourself." -- urbanlulu
Get Off Your High, Present-Day Horse
"History and it's repetition" -- K-pop_
"This. People tend to think that people who lived hundreds of years before us were stupid because they didn't have our technology and were superstitious. Humanity has always been the same."
"In the words of Mark Twain, 'History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes'" -- fingers621
The Changing Landscape of Work and Life
"Not being available 24/7 despite being reachable 24/7 is not a crime" -- trendz19
"Seriously. I've gotten semi chewed out by a PM before after he called me on a Saturday evening to update some documents and I was like 'uhh, you don't want me to do that, I'm pretty drunk.'"
"Sorry I'm f***ing drunk. It's Saturday and I'm watching hockey, I can be drunk. Leave me alone." -- stickyWithWhiskey
Respect the Instrument!
"Even if they're not used, pianos should be tuned at least once per year."
"Otherwise, the strings can become brittle and their ability to be flexible for tuning purposes compromised."
"Likewise, the tuning pins in the 'pinblock' can become resistant to change and not hold the strings steady once they've been tuned."
"Just because there is a law allowing you to do something doesn't mean its right. Just because something is against the law doesn't make it wrong" -- SaharanDessert
Listen to Others
"Just because you haven't seen or experienced something first hand does not mean that it doesn't exist." -- Manic-Digression
"Tell that to my Dad who always told me I couldn't be tired from stress" -- Son_of_Belgarath
"Likewise, just because you've seen or experienced something, it doesn't mean it's common or statistically significant." -- TigerNuts1980
The Fuel of False Confidence
"Confirmation bias." -- KingGorilla
"I used to deal blackjack in a casino and had to give up trying to explain it. People wanted to be f***in Yugioh and believe in the heart of the cards."
"But of course when they lost it was my fault." -- Active_Phone
Advocating for Honesty
"That it's ok to say 'i don't know' to something they don't know instead of guessing and pretending like they know" -- Canty_Amy20
"Unsurprisingly enough, this is the result of teacher/tutor asking you to take a guess when you said you don't know."
"It's f***ing annoying. If I don't know then I don't know, I don't want to make some stupid guesses." -- Yasutsuna96
"How to read and interpret basic maps and graphs. A lot of garbage information gets spread because people don't understand how to look at them properly." -- E_Zuk
"Or worse, the ideas of percents, ratios, and absolute vs relative." -- fd1Jeff
"Kind of along the same lines, correlation vs. causality. There's a correlation between being born early and lower grades... but there's also a correlation between drinking while pregnant and giving birth early."
"Guess which one is the actual causality. So much misinformation is spread because people mix them." -- captainminnow
Ironing Out Values
"Money, prestige, etc. do not make you happy. In my opinion, time and lack of stress are worth more than money and prestige any day."
"I just left a job with a fancy law firm to work with a nonprofit in June. My salary was cut 22%, and I went from a supervising associate to the bottom of the ladder. And I would do it again in a heartbeat."
"The time I spent at the office or stressed out beyond belief was so taxing on me. I work a little more than half the hours I used to work, and I believe in my organization's mission and work. There's a lot to be said for those things."