The presidency of Donald Trump has been rife with scandal from the moment it started. Even as the nation grapples with the Covid-19 epidemic, it's safe to say that the election is still very much a tossup. Between continued interference from adversaries abroad, allegations that the president colluded with foreign powers to undermine his political opponents, and a highly criticized response to a public health crisis that, as of this writing, has left more than 160,000 Americans dead, 2020 has been a hell of a year.
It's intriguing to note that polls indicate the president's approval rating among his once rock-solid base has been slipping in recent months amid his pandemic response. Though opinions of Trump remain largely split along party lines, it's important to hear from people who say they don't intend to vote for him after going to bat for him the first time.
After Redditor PIG3 asked the online community, "If you voted for Donald Trump in 2016 but won't in 2020, what changed your mind?" people gave rather candid and enlightening responses.
"At the time of the 2016 election..."
I was a Republican by upbringing. I watched no other news but Fox News via my parents until I left for college. Once I gained my independence living across the country for college, I started to develop my own views. I started to get my news from more reputable sources like the AP. I started to realize that many of the views I picked up from watching Fox all the time were very one-sided and often didn't result from an understanding of the full picture, and it definitely took a while but once I started looking at multiple sources, the biased wording common in Fox articles is easy to spot and easy to avoid no matter the source (both right- and left-wing bias, I should add).
At the time of the 2016 election, I was on the fence. Unfortunately I still held on to the last shred of "the Republicans are the good guys, therefore I must vote for them and also the Clintons are power hungry tyrants" that I had left over from my childhood. I regret that vote, but that election night marked the last time for at least the foreseeable future that I vote Republican. I'm currently a registered Democrat though I consider myself a fairly moderate liberal, and I find this position much better suits what I actually believe (not just what I'm told I believe like when I was a kid) and what I find important in how society is governed.
"I feel like I was flippant..."
I feel like I was flippant in 2016 - I'm in a blue state that doesn't split electoral votes so I felt like I could do it and it didn't matter.
Since then, I've just grown as a person. I've gotten married, watched my husband get diagnosed with a disease that would bankrupt us if I didn't have a government job and it changed how I saw people. No one should have to decide to go bankrupt to get treatment they need to survive. I'm now willing to pay a little more so no one has to suffer like we were so fortunate not to. I've also taken multiple diversity and equity trainings since 2016 that have helped me understand concepts like how saying all lives matter dismisses the point that some lives aren't being treated like they matter.
Just personal growth and this sense of not wanting anyone to suffer.
"I never did my own research..."
Grew up in middle of nowhere conservative town. Took what my parents and others said as fact and adopted their political views. I never did my own research on politics. Since then I've met amazing people who've helped me see things from a different perspective. Now I see the issues with what I believed before. Happy to say that I do much more research and don't just go in the voting booth blind. I'm now pretty far from conservative
"I was wrong."
I was disappointed with a few things that he did here and there but I wasn't that aware of the scope of some things so it didn't seem so bad. Then Covid happened. He didn't wear a mask until recently and suddenly many of his supporters became anti maskers. Instead of leading by wearing a mask and encouraging people to wear a mask, he continued to not want anyone to wear a mask at events. Then he started encouraging bad treatment of protesters. I literally went from a lifelong republican to a Democrat within months. It kinda freaks me out that I changed so quickly but I realized that they've been using brute force to do what you think is right despite what's morally right or what the country wants is just plain wrong. I am less worried about my taxes going up a little if it means preventing a child dying from malnutrition. I am less concerned about making sure there's no welfare fraud if it helps people that truly need it.
Btw I was always socially liberal, I just felt like most social issues didn't belong in politics. I've always wanted prison reform, equal rights for everyone but I'm realizing most Republican politicians do not want those things.
I feel like my eyes have been opened and I literally used to think liberals were oblivious to taxes going up. I was wrong.
"I was so excited..."
My political opinions very much lean towards the idea that the government should exist to help, protect, and serve the people, not control them. I felt, and still feel like, that is the opposite of how our government runs. 4 years ago I was a month past 18 and excited to finally have a vote! I can do something affect change! I can help the world be a better place! I was full of cynicism and hatred for the way the world worked, I wanted to do anything to change it. At 18 years old and prepared with a southern public education and the words of my Republican father I was so sure that electing a business man and not a politician would help. I completely bought into the Trump campaign, I believed everything he said. I was young and dumb and blinded by my anger at the world and he was going to fix it. So I went with my dad and voted for my first time with no doubt in my mind that I made the right choice, I got my sticker, I took my selfie, and I was proud.
Then he won! I was so excited, something was finally going to change! So I waited, and I watched, and had things started to happen, and like everyone around me I made excuses, "we can't expect him to fix everything in one day" and "that stuff is all fake, someone made it up to make him look bad." Then bad things kept happening, and more information came to light, and they kept making excuses for all of it.
Then I got busy, I had a kid, I started my career, I was busy, and I didn't have time to pay attention to the news or politics, I have a baby for godsakes that's enough to worry about!
Then life calmed down and I started having time to pay attention to the world around me and suddenly we were years into his presidency and nothing had changed. The world was not a better place, the things everyone was afraid of that I laughed off as garbage or impossible had happened. The things I made excuses for never stopped. Then I kept paying attention, and things kept getting worse and I had to accept the fact that I was wrong, I made a horrible horrible mistake, and it had hurt a lot of people, but those people were still abstract in my mind, no one I knew had been directly affected by these things he had done yet, not in a major way.
Then things kept getting worse, and the pandemic started, and the choices he made started putting millions of people in danger, and a lot of those people were people in my life every day, my mom is extremely high risk, my boyfriend had to get tested, my kids are at risk, and the feeling got worse. I was put in the position to understand just how bad things he's done have hurt people.
I regret voting for him, I regret that it took me having to experience the negative effects first hand to fully understand how badly I messed up. I wish I could take it back every time I am reminded Trump was elected in part because of me. I will not vote for him in 2020, I don't know who I will vote for yet, but I'm going to make sure I'm absolutely as educated on all the candidates as I can be, and I'm going to try again, I'm going to make a choice I am proud of and hope like hell I'm right this time. In the meantime I have spent as much time as I can learning about all the things I thought were garbage in the past, and doing my very best to tell everyone I possibly can that they need to listen.
"I am not proud to live in this country..."
I'll be voting for Biden after voting for Trump in 2016.
His politicalization of a pandemic and poor response to it are the main reason for the change. I also strongly dislike the way he deals with Russia and the cronyism amongst his cabinet.
I didn't agree with everything George Bush or Obama did it stood for, but I believed they were trying to improve the country in the best way they saw how. Trump seems to be only selfishly motivated and has made a mockery of our nations highest elected office.
I am not proud to live in this country as long as he is at its helm. I look forward to November 3rd.
It took me a while to figure it out, but that's not the swamp he was talking about. When he talks about the swamp he isn't talking about the various government-industrial complexes. The times when you have companies writing the regulations that govern them, or they hire executives from said companies to govern them, that's A-OK with Trump.
What Trump cannot stand is the civil service. The unelected bureaucrat who spends fifty years mastering one tiny arcane element of government regulation and shapes how that regulation is applied is the thing that gets Trump frothing at the mouth. It's a power thing. The folks that enforce building codes and labor regulations have always compelled him to do stuff even when he doesn't want to, and he hates that.
So, the gutting of our diplomatic corps, the systemic attack on the Department of Justice, the systemic defunding of the post office and veterans and affairs are Trump draining the swamp. The "deep state" that frustrates the initiatives of a new government are professional government employees who have far more control over how things go down than the man in charge because they're the ones actually doing the work. A lot of people looked at that and said "yeah, f*** the military-industrial complex" but Trump doesn't care about that. He cares that the EPA and FBI were mean to him by not doing impossible or utterly nonsensical things because he wants that.
The swamp, the deep state, and all that "cleaning up" never had anything to do with bankers of prisons or arms manufacturers. He has always been contemptuous of formal power structures. Trump is the center of his own universe, anything that doesn't immediately bend to his arbitrary whims is something to be destroyed.
"I moved out of my parents' house..."
I moved out of my parents' house, experienced college, people from many backgrounds, and am in a career where I know what a good leader looks like, and he is most certainly not that.
"I dropped out of that school..."
My story is a lot like other people's here. I grew up in a small "Christian" town where everyone was conservative or quiet and climate change was a hoax the climate scientists told us so there would be an economic need for them. I was taught basically that the government is out to get you and so we must have as small a government as possible. Had I done any research on Trump I might have known that wasn't even his goal. But anyways, I was 18 and had gone to the big city for school where there were maybe 5 conservatives. I felt like the world was going crazy and for some arrogant reason, I thought I was seeing what no one else was. I voted for Trump without a second thought.
Fast forward a year. I dropped out of that school and moved back to my hometown because I felt like I couldn't handle being around "liberals" for three more years. I started going to community college where I took a macroeconomics class and learned about economic policies from something other than a YouTube video. Once it became clear that trickle down economics doesn't work, I started to wonder what else Democrats could be right about. That ultimately led me to becoming the BLM marching, Bernie Sanders campaign donating, climate change believing progressive outlier that I am.
"I was 21..."
I was 21 and was tired of nothing but career politician after career politician becoming President. I truly believed that if Trump, someone without political experience, could become President, it would open the door for us to be more accepting of non-career politicians becoming President.
I always believed that anyone could be President, and I always felt that someone further from the time-wasting BS that normally clogs politics would be more representative of the common American citizen.
How tf I thought CHEETO CHEETO BUNKER BOY was representative of the American people, idk. But now I realize that it's people like AOC who can truly understand what it's like to be a normal person and can still exist in the political landscape. She's my new hero.
"I'm trying my best..."
Ignorance and religious pressure were the reasons I voted for him. The only news outlet I really paid attention to was Fox, and my church made it about heaven and hell basically. Voting for Hillary was tantamount to killing a baby with your bare hands. I didnt like him, but I didnt know it was THAT bad. A few months post election I caught wind of a rumor that he had an assault allegation. I wasnt aware of this, and I did some digging. Also, within a year and a half most of my ideological views changed drastically as I deconverted, and I started looking at more sources for news and information. Suddenly I realized that I had been the product of very concerted propaganda efforts by right wing cable news, and those who take it as gospel.
I educated myself, and ever since I have been deeply involved with keeping up on what goes on in our politics. I watch hearings, read source documents, follow Trump on Twitter, and I vet my information as much as possible. I actively speak out against Trump and similar politicians, and I am active in my community fighting against what they stand for.
I'm trying my best to pay penance for my choice made in ignorance because when it comes to these decisions, one cannot afford to be ignorant.
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Food is an essential part of life. We need it to survive. But there are some foods that I'd rather drop dead than have to consume. Now I get that there are otherworldly concoctions that can give the palette an orgasmic shock but if the ingredients contain a few certain things--like cow tongue--I'll stay food celibate.
Death Greens<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTcwOTIwNC9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTYyMzUwOTM1NX0.rtgSsSPQ4f6DPqn31mIo-6AKGNXvtDX9LhhWp9pb21w/img.gif?width=980" id="7aec4" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="3a832c9574fd9444258c4f684db6e2e6" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="245" data-height="255" />jim carrey asparagus GIFGiphy<p>Asparagus. It tastes good but my dad choked on it when i was a kid and it was so scary that i've never eaten it since then. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/goo1qsq?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">girlgirl123456</a></p>
A Hard Chew<p>I absolutely hate chewing on tendon... whether it be from beef, or chicken.. God dammit, anything with meat and a rubbery chewy feeling just makes me gag. The sensation is god awful for me, and is the best I can explain.</p><p>I also dislike papaya because the smell is off putting. The smell coming from that specific fruit triggers memories when I was a kid and tried it and gagged from it. I can handle other fragrant fruits, but papaya - no. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/goo4qa2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">spaigo</a></p>
The Bone<p>I can't eat bone-in meats because of tendons. Not only do you have that feeling of it in-between your teeth, but scraping the bone has a really cringy feeling similar to scratching a chalkboard. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gookbbc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">syfyguy64</a></p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gookbbc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"></a>I'm the weirdo that will get <em>every bit</em> that I can off the bone, but only at home. I know to refrain when in public. But it hurts my soul. I knew my husband was my person when he offered me the chicken wing bones on his plate lol. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gooyt1c?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"> coolerthanyouravgmom</a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/coolerthanyouravgmom/" target="_blank"></a></p>
Soy you Say...<p>Soy anything, I am deathly allergic to it and they put that crap in everything in America. It's the wax we shine our fruit with, the oils we make everything with from soup to coffee creamers. They inject the isolated protein, my allergen, into random meats and products. Forget soy. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/goo66ob?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"> shiftbackslash</a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/shiftbackslash/" target="_blank"></a></p>
Scrub a dub spice...<p>I've got that thing where cilantro tastes like soap, so there's that. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gonxda4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">ColeYote</a></p><p>I always figured cilantro was some regional American spice but I've only just learned it's coriander lol.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gonxda4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"></a>Does this gene make the seeds taste like soap as well? </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/goojsu2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Orri</a></p>
gross...<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTcwOTMyNy9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY1NTQ2NjY2Mn0._YGTUNhpcd31l82mFkn6sn9wSt73wEsPzWl5h0lsJ7Q/img.gif?width=980" id="1116c" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="b6639244dd009202a2746007da81e025" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="480" data-height="270" />gross gag GIF by Anime Crimes DivisionGiphy<p>Water chestnuts, its the texture. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/goocrsy?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">menace-to-sobriety</a></p>
An Ill Slaw<p>Sauerkraut, I am from south Germany and a total disgrace to my culture and family for this but man forget that dish. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gootqom?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Deschlins</a></p><p>Finally! I'm not alone!</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gootqom?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"></a>There's plenty of foods that I don't really care for, but there's only one that I literally can't eat without getting physically ill (hell, I have to leave the room if someone is eating that crap). </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gopdink?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">honoredtwig</a></p>
Seafood Roulette<p>Oysters, clams, etc. The texture, smell, flavor. A massive no from me. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gonzfqc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Sirenofthelake</a></p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gonzfqc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"></a>Eating raw oysters from the Gulf of Mexico is like Russian roulette with better odds. It is not often considering how much get eaten, but every year a few people get viral meningitis from eating them raw. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gooi6w5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Birdapotamus</a></p>
Bad Oils...<p>Truffle, it's definitely a love it or hate it kind of thing but it just tastes like feet to me. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/goo8d7y?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">YouJabroni44</a></p><p>The first time I tried truffle was in a macaroni and ammonia was all I could taste or smell</p><p>I decided to try it again now that I knew what to expect and I found it MUCH tamer the second go aroun</p>
With a nice Chianti<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTcwOTI4MC9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY0MzgwOTE0NX0.g3rkPudLlS0668DgLv3rvJw3AfihB6MMzdDPTvka4uE/img.gif?width=980" id="b6353" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="1dfec4b4da0ce8ac2c64ecb571579f97" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="245" data-height="220" />hannibal and clarice GIFGiphy<p>Liver. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gonzlvb?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">edpmis02</a></p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gonzlvb?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"></a>Whenever my mom makes something with liver I can smell it throughout the entire house, it's so disgusting. It's a weird kinda sweet smell/taste that just reminds me of decay. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/lrwpaf/what_food_do_you_just_completely_despise_and_why/gooqlig?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">bland_soup</a></p>
Just say NO! That's a famous 80's catchphrase about staying off drugs but it is also one of the truest and most life-affirming mantras that many of us have come to appreciate. Saying no, putting one's well-being first have become the new narrative for a society that was always over-extending itself. Sometimes you just have to decline an offer or decide that, no this situation isn't healthy for me. And then the freedom you feel... there is nothing else like it.Redditor u/SketchyByte wanted everyone to share the times in life they have never felt better by asking... What is the most satisfying "no" that you have ever said?
"Just try..."<p>Go ahead, try it. NO! I love it. I can't tell you how many times I gave a yes out of fear, guilt, or shame. Then later all I had to ruminate on was regret. I don't enjoy the NO at the expense of others but more often than not, I just have to recognize what a certain moment calls for and embrace it. I think the following people can explain. </p>
Sorry Boo<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTcwODgxNy9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY3NTI1MTU2NX0.ZSU2p6QRE68beiM3XCO16PB8t0duDZHTNimtxRpQ6JM/img.gif?width=980" id="56e7d" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="86ff0a0882d6b4adba90c50d14c26b04" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="640" data-height="360" />let's go courtroom GIFGiphy<p>I got offered a lot of money to basically screw someone over in a court case. I said no and the satisfaction of telling a seriously spoiled rich kids dad no was the most satisfying day in recent memory. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/luhe9w/what_is_the_most_satisfying_no_that_you_have_ever/gp6vsjc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Affectionate_Row8434</a></p>
Humans Suck<p>I work in an Animal Shelter. We had this very scared Cane Corso mix named Tae, who had the perfect look for the worst kind of dog owner: cropped ears and tail, muscular, beautiful grey coat. Tae needed a special low traffic home without any kids because he was very nervous and uncertain, likely due to his past, and we wrote an entire profile explaining this. A guy waltzes in, slams money on the table, and announces he's taking Tae (without ever meeting him, mind you.) <span></span></p>
Mother's House<p>Honestly, it would have to have been splitting up with my ex. He was at his mother's house at the time, and he said he missed me. I stared at the message for so long he sent another, "this is supposed to be where you say you miss me too." But i didn't miss him. Or walking on eggshells around him, having zero help with our newborn child, having so much trouble. So I said but I don't miss you. Easily the best no I've said, I only wish I had said it sooner. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/luhe9w/what_is_the_most_satisfying_no_that_you_have_ever/gp8m74w?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">SleepyParakeet</a></p>
"No, I'd prefer not."<p>Religious in-laws. Lots of holiday meals, they always stop before eating to Give a Blessing, taking turns, FIL assigns the leader of the prayer. For whatever reason, they do not single me out, and I certainly do not volunteer. FIL has a tendency to put people on the spot when he wants something done. After a decade, I assume it'll never happen.<span></span></p>
Blocked<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTcwODgyMi9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY2NjkyNDk3OX0.zWPGWp404V9MGaAruLbmTDj7_JbYTlQznlbxw-9X_IE/img.gif?width=980" id="e1045" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="0085ee261de67dd2b9ce091ee5153bfb" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="500" data-height="280" />Giphy<p>Not exactly a no, but declining my ex-wife's friend request on Facebook felt pretty satisfying. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/luhe9w/what_is_the_most_satisfying_no_that_you_have_ever/gp6fi18?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"> JadwigaGothard</a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/JadwigaGothard/" target="_blank"></a></p>
"Not Today"<p>See they get it. Are you envious enough yet to try it? Go ahead. NO. I'll wait. It can also be a silent NO. Just today this rude young lad tried to cut me off in the line at Target. Back in the day, I'll let that go. I'd wonder is it worth the argument? What's the big deal? Then I said... NO. You do not get to treat me this way. So I informed him where the line began and stretched to and he could march his happy backside yon. Read on...</p>
Rent Some Guys<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTcwODgyNC9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY0MTYwNTk3MX0.2N5Cyu6Aqwk_GxJKgj2Zv7z1cCDahGfVnqby1AW4jpA/img.gif?width=980" id="548f8" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="cc08a7c8ca9b973ceff98e0f89fc15f8" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="444" data-height="250" />Animated GIFGiphy<p>"so i see you have a truck"</p><p>"no... i will NOT help you move...."</p><p>"well damn."</p><p>LOL. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/luhe9w/what_is_the_most_satisfying_no_that_you_have_ever/gp71agn?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Useless_bumbling_oaf</a></p>
Yuck!<p>I said 'no' to a crappy job offer. They asked me if I was working already and I said I was unemployed but I wouldn't work for their company anyway. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/luhe9w/what_is_the_most_satisfying_no_that_you_have_ever/gp8a2y1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">fjramon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/luhe9w/what_is_the_most_satisfying_no_that_you_have_ever/gp8a2y1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"></a>There's one account that I won't accept projects on because of the way they abuse their vendors. I think my exact words were, "I'd rather eat cat food." </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/luhe9w/what_is_the_most_satisfying_no_that_you_have_ever/gp9nwvz?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Flahdagal</a></p>
Dodged a Bullet<p>I got fired because the company panicked during covid and decided to fire me and another guy, they were genuine a-holes that didn't care about their employees. I could go into details but it would take way too long, so you'll just have to trust me on this one. </p>
Peace Out<p>Overworked at an underpaying job in a warehouse. 14 hr days. 9 bucks an hour in a 15 degree industrial freezer. 2 15 minute breaks. They hassle you for taking a crap in between. I felt sick that day and boss man comes up to me with ANOTHER stack of orders after we were already doing the biggest one that day. Says "Hey I need you back in the freezer and i need you to pick up the pace a little bit" I just said "no" and walked the hell out. Hitchhiked home. Sun was shining. Dude that picked me up was playing Radiohead. Twas magical as hell. </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/luhe9w/what_is_the_most_satisfying_no_that_you_have_ever/gp8onfu?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Akwa_Rayna</a></p>
Worthless...<img lazy-loadable="true" data-runner-src="https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNTcwODg0NS9vcmlnaW4uZ2lmIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY0NDg5MTYxN30.0bTtfqCl5ZHSj0W3vDfY9Ux3oxFC1zHjeYQV9tArvT4/img.gif?width=980" id="fb6b6" class="rm-shortcode" data-rm-shortcode-id="f4448d5923326714affa40e3203f7d1e" data-rm-shortcode-name="rebelmouse-image" data-width="252" data-height="190" />Good Bye Reaction GIFGiphy<p>After cheating on me, during our break up conversation, she said, "I wish you would have fought for me instead of giving up so easily.."</p><p>I said, "maybe if you were worth it." </p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/luhe9w/what_is_the_most_satisfying_no_that_you_have_ever/gp6cu3k?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">SheilaSidney</a></p>
"NOOOO!!!!"<p>NO is not a curse word, nor is it hate speech. Some may see it that way but as you have read... NO... is an imperative part of life. Take it from my experience, you don't have to be a yes man in order to be a good person or solidify relationships. People will understand and if they don't, then they aren't introducing the NO in their lives nearly enough. </p>
Try as I might, there are some true crime cases that I can't get out of my head. Some are frightening. Others are disturbing. And then there's that special category of cases that continue to haunt me and that I keep going back to.
I have always been especially perturbed by the case of Sylvia Likens, who in the mid-1960s was tortured by Gertrude Basniewski, a woman who took care of Likens while her parents were away on business. What makes the case especially concerning is the way Basniewski recruited her own children––and even children and teenagers around the neighborhood––to join her in the abuse. The case is one of the most infamous child abuse cases of all time and I warn you to read about it at your own risk. (If you're interested, the drama film An American Crime, featuring Catherine Keener as Basniewski and Elliott Page as Sylvia Likens, is one film about the case. The Girl Next Door, a horror film based on the events, stars Blanche Baker as a Basniewski surrogate.)
After Redditor litteredbirdnina asked the online community, "What true crime case haunts you?" people told us about the cases that keep them up at night.
Warning: Some sensitive material ahead.
"Just the mental image of those poor children..."<p>The Andrea Yates case. Just the mental image of those poor children trying to get away as she was drowning their siblings. Also, the image of her husband keeping her constantly pregnant despite knowing she had mental health issues - he was quoted at one point as saying that he wanted to have more children with her after she was treated and released. If you haven't read it, the book "Are You There Alone" is absolutely heartbreaking.</p><p><span></span><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ls4yyz/what_true_crime_case_haunts_you/gopryp1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">mrwednesday33</a></p>
"I will never be able to forget..."<p>The murder of James Bulger.</p><p>It's the most horrifying and tragic case to me and pulls my emotions asunder whenever I think about it, or hear updates about the killers. I will never be able to forget that little boy.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ls4yyz/what_true_crime_case_haunts_you/gopobq9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">CouldMurderACarvery</a></p>
"I was really interested in history..."<p>Jack the Ripper.</p><p>I was really interested in history as a kid, got a book from the library's history section about the case without knowing anything about it. (Why my parents or the librarian let a child check that book out I have no clue).</p><p>It had pictures, lots of them. The image of Mary Kelly is forever burned into my retinas. It gave me nightmares for years. Still horrified by it today.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ls4yyz/what_true_crime_case_haunts_you/goq7vza?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">KnickKnick</a></p>
"He would set up a murder kit..."<p><span>Israel Keyes. He would set up a murder kit ahead of time, sometimes years in advance, and then when he went back, would find a home that provided the opportunity. He murdered a couple in my tiny state of Vermont, and their bodies were never found. Bone-chilling.</span></p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ls4yyz/what_true_crime_case_haunts_you/gopt2d4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Inie802</a></p>
"He begged law enforcement..."<p>The Matthew Hoffman case. (Not the actor.)</p><p>For those who don't know, Hoffman was responsible for the deaths of Stephanie Sprang, Tina Maynard, and Tina's son Kody in November of 2010. After breaking into their house and stabbing them to death, he dismembered them, put them into garbage bags, and stuffed them inside a hollow birch tree. He also abducted Tina's daughter, Sarah Maynard, keeping her imprisoned in his basement for four days.</p><p>Hoffman had a minor criminal history and mostly kept to himself. When police identified him as a potential suspect and entered his home, nearly every surface was absolutely COVERED with leaves. There were leaves piled roughly three feet deep on the floor. Bags of leaves stacked against almost every wall. Sarah was kept on a makeshift bed of leaves in the basement.<span></span></p>
"The way he would stalk his victims for weeks..."<p>Joseph DeAngelo, the Golden State Killer. The way he would stalk his victims for weeks and sneak in and out of their house without anyone knowing and hide weapons around the victim's house and his victims had no idea. It just freaks me out to no end. Glad he was finally caught, but it took way too long. He took and ruined so many lives and then got to live the vast majority of his outside of prison. I'm not religious, but I hope Hell exists for fucking garbage like him. And I hope he has a long, miserable life of rotting in jail.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ls4yyz/what_true_crime_case_haunts_you/gopm76g?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Narge1</a></p>
The Golden State Killer, or Original Night Stalker, as it were...<p>...is another who continues to fascinate me. I once made the mistake of listening to a recording of a phone call he made to a victim years after he had assaulted her. Not something you want to hear late at night.</p>
"The worst part..."<p>The Oklahoma Girl Scout murders.</p><p>The girls (Lori Lee Farmer, Doris Denise Milner, and Michele Heather Guse) were between the ages of eight and ten and had been bludgeoned and strangled. It happened during a thunderstorm and they had been in the tent furthest from the camp counselors, no no one heard or noticed anything. Additionally, the tent was partially obscured by the showers.</p><p>The worst part is that less than two months before the murders, during an on-site training session, a camp counselor discovered a disturbing hand-written note in her belongings. It said, "We are on a mission to kill three girls in Tent one." The director of that camp session treated the note as a prank and it was thrown away.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ls4yyz/what_true_crime_case_haunts_you/gos99a1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Iseeasong</a></p>
"What they did to her..."<p>The torture and murder of Junko Furuta. What they did to her would make the cartels cringe, but the worst part of her sordid case is that all of the people involved in her death were given slaps on the wrist and are roaming the streets of Japan today.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta</a></p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ls4yyz/what_true_crime_case_haunts_you/goscfan?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">GW2RNGR</a></p>
Along with the Sylvia Likens case,<p>This is the other case that continues to haunt me. The level of depravity involved is out of this world. I would caution those of you with sensitive constitutions: That Wikipedia entry is a horrific read.</p>
"It's purported..."<p>The murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome. One of the worst crimes you rarely hear about. It's purported that the press was gunshy as it were to widely report on it being afraid they would look overzealous reporting on black perpetrators on white victims. I think those guys would have done it to whoever was in the car that pulled up. I don't think it was inherently a race-related crime, but it's one of the worst I've heard about and I'm a long-time true crime 'fan'.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ls4yyz/what_true_crime_case_haunts_you/gorftv1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">dart1126</a></p>
"Accounts vary..."<p>The most haunting to me is Carl Tanzler, aka Count Carl Von Cosel. He was a radiology technician who was obsessed with a young tuberculosis patient named Elena Milagros de Hoyos. A generally grandiose person who didn't fully exist in reality, he convinced her family that he could cure her with experimental treatments. Elena died and Carl funded a large mausoleum for her.</p><p>The thing is, he had the key to that mausoleum. He was convinced that he could preserve her body and bring her back to life (possibly by going into outer space? He'd created a strange contraption.) Anyway, here's the really eerie thing. For almost 9 YEARS, he 'refreshed' her body with wire, wax, cloth, and perfume to fill it out as she decomposed, basically turning her into a mannequin. Finally, Elena's sister, having heard rumors that he had been sleeping with Elena's corpse and confronted him. (Apparently, he'd also been seen dancing with her corpse?) He was arrested and stood trial, but charges were dropped. He later created an effigy of Elena that included no parts of her actual body and lived with it.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Tanzler#/media/File:Preserved_body_of_Maria_Elena_Milagro_de_Hoyos.jpg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">This is Elena's body about 9 years after her death.</a></p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ls4yyz/what_true_crime_case_haunts_you/gossz9p?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">Friendly_Coconut</a></p>
We apologize in advance if you're going to have some trouble sleeping tonight.<p>But if you're a bit of a true crime fanatic, you'll probably wind up going down the rabbit hole at 3 a.m. like the rest of us. We never learn, do we?</p><p>What are some cases that haunt you? Feel ftee to sound off in the comments below.</p>
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