Science is science. Fact is fact. Truth is truth and simple is simple. These are things we must now attest to in 2021. Can we please all get onboard with what has been proven? Everything is not a hoax. One of the greatest lies that for some reason continues to circulate is also one of the most believed farces. The Earth is in fact... round. Gravity holds us down as it revolves, if it was flat.... someone would've walked off the edge by now. Its in pictures by everyone from space and on Earth. What more does it take?Redditor u/jbarms wanted to hear from those of us who have come around to giving into facts and science and those of us who brought people to the "circle" by asking..... Former Flat Earthers. What made you come round?
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Quote I got from somewhere...
"for 5 years I believed the Earth was flat, then I turned 6".
Love the Sphere
I convinced a flat earther, temporarily, by asking him if it was possible for a sphere to be so large that you could not tell it was a sphere my simply being on the surface of it. It took him a while, I used an analogy of a extremely long line that was so slightly curved you could not tell so by looking at a small section of it. Eventually he said yes to the sphere and I told him that was how big the earth is.
A few days later he reverted, most of these people aren't mentally stable, they believe in a lot of conspiracies.
Edit: Corny edit, but as connoisseur of flat earth content my personal favorite is Professor Dave on YouTube. He is a underappreciated dude who just had a Science channel on YouTube and got brigaded by flat earthers for an unrelated video. He made like 6 video responses in total just owning these guys but they eventually gave up. Check it out.
Get a Clue
Look, it's really easy:
If the Earth is flat, there would be an edge(s). And there would be a freaking Disney park at the edge, and we could bungie jump off the side and paraglide into the void etc etc.
Someone would be making an absolute ton of money off of it - if it existed.
Guess what? Nobody is doing that -- in this world where absolutely everything is exploited for profit -- if no one is making money off of it then it does.not.exist. No edge. Not flat. Get a clue.
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I was debating a flat earther in Mexico, and I asked him about how GPS worked if there were no satellites.
He said that they had devices in the ground to route you.
I told him the Mexican government is barely able to put decent water pipes in the ground; would he really think they had the tech to put routing devices in the ground?
He chuckled with a thousand mile gaze.
"Truth behind the curve"
I watched a documentary about flat earthers called "Truth behind the curve" and my analysis from watching that these flat earthers are a group of people who found a community to be a part of. It's a shame their community is based on a lie, but I saw a bunch of people who were to be part of a community.
Most of the people were social awkward and what not, and so an opportunity to be an influential figure within the community so they double down on their flawed logic.
The more against you are of them, the harder they rep their flatness.
TLDR: I see flat earthers as a group of lonely people looking for a community that will accept them.
edit: wtf did not expect this comment to blow up. Thanks for the silver, and the dialogue everyone.
"What do you think now," said the Captain.
The inclined seat conformed perfectly to his body, strategically placed in the cockpit so he could reach no buttons with outstretched arms. The straps anchored him firmly in place, they were uncomfortable but necessary. The engine burst to life with a roar that burned out all the other audio, the vibrations tore through his body and he felt his body sink back into the seat as the G-Force began to take hold.
The captain was watching the readouts on the LED displays and monitoring their trajectory as the acceleration began to peel his thoughts away, there was no more room in his brain, it had been filled by pure fear. The boosters grew with greater ferocity as they lifted higher into the sky, the sun beaming down on the left side of the shuttle.
But faster they went.
Through max Q and higher into the stratosphere until the engines grew quieter, the air more silent, and the vibrations became less violent. They were approaching space, the final frontier.
An hour later, and with the path of the shuttle a success he noticed as his raw emotions withdrew that his body felt funny, head hair drifted aimlessly across his eyes as the captains pen hovered in mid air and he knew the impossible was true, his childhood dream, he was in space. Weightless.
The captain turned around to him, and motioned him to unhook his seatbelts. He did as he was commanded. They both left their chairs and glided over to the tiny glass windows to overlook the magnificence of Earth.
"What do you think now," said the Captain.
He recoiled in horror, it couldn't be. NASA had replaced the windows with high definition screens in order to perpetrate their lies that the world was spherical. Those b**tards.
Throw a Rock
I talked to a flat-earther about my job working for a company that tracks ship locations, routes, and speeds by satellite. We also had ways of monitoring carbon emissions based on fuel consumption and known weather conditions. None of this would work at all if the earth was flat. Not a jot of it. I could only explain the most basic concepts, but it was enough for him to understand and realise that I was right and that he'd been convinced by someone who had no practical experience of the spherical nature of the Earth.
I think that's what really did it - my experience was really tangible. This happens then this happens then we measure this etc etc... no theory, just practice. A bit like showing a child a rock dropping to the ground in order to explain gravity, rather than giving them the whole theoretical shebang. Y'know?
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Had to travel to Japan, gave up on my beliefs in order to make a shorter trip.
I said the same thing on another post. However someone more familiar with the conspiracy said they believe the earth is actually a circle with the north pole in the middle with the south pole, or Antarctica encircling us. For me it just brought up more questions.
I spent about a year infiltrating the flat Earth community on Instagram. I garnered a decent following with an account dedicated to flat earth travel photos (an intentionally absurd premise). In that time I learned a quite a bit about the community including how to discern the trolls from the real deal. The majority of legit flat earthers are extremely distrustful of anything the government says or does. These same people are 9/11 truthers, Holocaust deniers, and anti-vaxxers and they connect these conspiracies together.
Many of them have also attached flat Earth theory to religion, magic, or mysticism. Before my infiltration I'd always considered conspiracies fun. Like they were the fan fiction of real life. Now they mostly make me sad. For all the phoney accounts like mine, there are still plenty of people out there willing to drop a couple of hundred dollars on a flat Earth convention.
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A serious answer here.
The thing that made me stop was just the question "why would NASA lie to you."
Not a flat earther. But I was a 9-11 "truther" I guess you could say--insofar as I thought it was an inside job. I was heavily influenced and believed in multiple conspiracies in the Zeitgeist film as well. There was a never ending source of dark, shadowy "they's and them's" controlling everything behind the scenes.
I think there were a few factors that helped me escape that:
- Losing my father. It was such a life changing event at that age that it made me reconsider everything in my life.
- Some light training in evaluating information. I learned about how to vet sources, primary, whether something was actually news or just an opinion/editorial, etc.. Ironically, this education came before I was duped. After my dad died, suddenly this started to kick in more.
- Lack of time/means to dig myself a deeper hole. I started college shortly after my father passed and that + a full time job took up all my time. I had none to buy further into the newest crazy BS. I had no Facebook/Twitter/IG/etc.. No smart phone or texting. My primary use of Reddit once I discovered it was for r/Naruto, r/Bleach, rage comics, and advice animals.
So all in all, I think the time away gave me time to detox. If I had been on social media as I discovered those things, I can only imagine I very well may have become a Q believer as well. Looking back I see how gullible I was in that moment, fooled by the onslaught of half truths and clever "logic" of the various theories. I know better now (and I should have known better then), but I've been humbled to the fact that everyone is vulnerable to this sort of stuff. To think otherwise is deluding yourself.
Not me, but got a flat Earther to question his beliefs (and hopefully critically analyze them) by giving him the proof he asked for, to which he responded "mainstream science and media are lies". I asked why he asked for proof if he could just disregard it as lies either way, then told him that since he required no proof (or evidence against) to believe something, it made him the easiest person to deceive and that it seemed pretty sheep-like to me.
He deleted all of his flat earth comments and hasn't posted about it since.
ETA: Holy Round Earth, Batman! Thank you for the karma and awards and GOOOOOLD! I promise I'll screenshot next time!
ETA2: He didn't block me, I can still see everything he posts/posted, and the OP thread creator also said the comment disappeared. Shame... Shame... Shame...
Surprisingly enough. Facts and logic. More specifically star patterns. What we observe can not happen on a flat earth.
Obviously there's a lot of memeing around here, but if the question was meant seriously we should understand what exactly Flat Earth belief is. As Dan from the channel Folding Ideas puts it in his excellent video In Search Of A Flat Earth:
Nominally, Flat Earth is a belief that the Earth isn't a globe, but is actually flat, a fact that has been kept from Us, meaning normal people, by a nebulous, powerful Them for nefarious, inscrutable purposes. ... I think it's worth considering that the shape of the Earth might actually be the least important belief of Flat Earth. Flat Earth is a syncretic, biblical belief that is both evangelical and apocalyptic. ... The world is flat and They are hiding that fact from you because a flat Earth would be irrefutable proof that we live in a divine fishbowl and, thus, that God is real.
Flat Earthers are not otherwise empty vessels who believe one kooky thing. They believe that thing because it suits their purposes. Flat Earthers have an agenda. ... Their anxiety is that the world has become too complex, that too many things are changing, and that science and progressivism are actively malicious elements working to obstruct the true nature of God. Most people don't actually believe Flat Earth because they were persuaded by shoddy evidence... they do so because it says something they already believe about the nature of the social world. Didgeridoox
I suspect that some people who deny crap like this are the same people who just wants to be different. They'll say they disliked a movie because the majority likes it. They'll say they don't enjoy a type of food coz most do. Basically.... They don't really care how they truly feel about something. They just want to be different and say the opposite of the majority. Maybe not with everything. But they'll choose a few things in life because they want to feel special.
Half a Decade
It took about five years. It was a lot of wilfull ignorance on my part, I just refused to question the logic of it. In fact I spent most of my time coming up with crazy fantasies about a lot of things I didn't understand. But you have to understand that there is just so much we don't know about that sometimes our priority on what is real and what can be believed can get confused. I was learning so much so fast that I really didn't question something so inane as the world being flat.
Of course it was, why wouldn't it be. The day that changed it forever though was when I asked my father what happens when you get to the edge of the world, he of course said the world is round like a ball. Being about five years old I thought that made a lot of sense.
Okay I get the question is funny and all but I actually did believe, for a time, that the earth was flat. I was raised in a very religious family, and basically came to the conclusion that the Bible declared the earth was flat, because since I believed the earth was created in seven days, the idea that God set the stars in the sky in one day made much more sense if the stars were simply points of light in a sort of snowglobe formation extrapolated onto a bigger scale.
Otherwise, he took one day out of the seven to make a septillion or so balls of flaming gas, all with their own planets, and set each one into galaxies before breaking for lunch. It just didn't make sense to me that he would spend five days on one planet, and make the creation of the trillions of other stuff in the universe a little footnote. I was confronted about this belief a couple times, only one of which wasn't laughed off.
That single person who engaged started a serious discussion, presenting much more evidence for the globe earth, and eventually told me to watch Carl Sagan. The Cosmos series was on YouTube, and once I watched it, I had to know more. Finally, a video from the channel MinutePhysics convinced me, in no uncertain terms, that the earth was round. All it took was one quote, which I still remember leaving chills down my spine: "you should have put a serious tag on this question."
Let me explain...
When I was a tutor there was this guy who went back to college to get a degree. We dealt with everything from the top of the class students to special needs students. He was doubtful of science because it has been wrong in the past, and was very stubborn and bad at logic. What he did was hear a description of something and if it made sense he would latch onto it if it didn't he would say it is false entirely.
Vaccines are good for you. Yep it is like a workout for your immune system.
Earth is round. Nope it looks flat when i look at it.
He was very hard to help because he would argue with you about everything. Try to explain anything in a non-intuitive way and he would ask countless questions, and once you need to check for an answer he would treat it like a gotcha and like the whole explanation is wrong. He enjoyed explaining a scientific topic the way a stoner tries though with things half right.
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My FIL is a flat earther and all around nutcase. I asked him if the earth was flat and you was right, what then? How is your life any different? His face was priceless because he didn't have an answer. It was great.
God did It...
Met a couple. One was so "clever" at not believing what the sheeple all believe he didn't believe anything that he hadn't found through conspiracy theories somewhere. It wasn't so much that he didn't believe in science/scientists but that he only believed what he could see himself. And any time you tried to question any of his theories beyond what was rational he would ignore the question entirely or bring up something about you that he though made you stupid.
The other got his knowledge from religion and any question that he hadn't learned an answer from the bible or his pastor for was "God did it."
Man, I figured there would only be a couple legit ones but I was really interested. Instead it's the same tired old jokes you've been recycling for the past few years. Don't you guys get tired of upvoting dogcrap like "there's flat earthers all over the globe."
I think the problem is that flat earthers who change their mind are incredibly rare. There's not many flat earthers to begin with and only a tiny percentage of them will ever change their mind.
I'm not a flat earther, but I wanna ask them, "why would NASA and the govt lie to you? Why would they spend extra energy and time and money and whatever faking crap like the moon landing and outer space pictures of earth.
But there would be no reason the USSR would just admit defeat instead of calling bull if the landings were indeed fake.
All the other stuff you mentioned though, yeah, there's nothing to gain from it.
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I once had a conversation with a professional UFC fighter and outspoken Flat Earther. I tried to explain how Archimedes was able to prove the Earth was round just by using his shadow. I mentioned air travel and how Hawaii and Japan are not 20+ hours of flying apart.
But what I think got through to him the most was seasons. This particular guy was Brazilian. I explained that because the Earth is round, it's possible to be winter in Brazil and summer in the USA and vice versa. He nodded and stared off into the distance silently and the conversation was over. I don't think I "converted" him but it gave him significant pause at the very least.
Man, we really need this knowledge now. I don't know how we are going to reach "Stop the Steal" truthers when they already think they know more than the Supreme Court, 60 Republican and Democratic-appointed federal judges, every state Election Commission, every Republican and Democratic governor, Trump's (now former) right-hand man and Attorney General of the United States William Barr, and the party-warrior and Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConell. Somehow, we have to find a way. I was thinking the other day about whether the flat earth movement shows us the way out of this situation America finds itself in because it seems to be a very similar phenomenon.
Good question OP.
The Fire Ball
Sunsets man. Sunsets. I watched all these videos read a book on it talked to people about it. I was one of them. Everyone else was crazy for not seeing the truth.(still i have a lot of questions about how the heck this thing could possibly be a globe but thats besides the point) but i had an answer for everything. People would ask why don't we fall off the edge? There is no edge the earths an infinite space. Why do balloons pop when they go high enough?
Because theres only so much air and it sinks to the earths surface but eventually you can fly above it and then theres no pressure of the air pushing against the ballon so it pops. Hows gravity work? Gravity is made up i believe in buoyancy. But one day somebody asked me if the sun is a spotlight in the sky, then how does a sunset work? I was like uh... and i looked into it. Couldn't find anything that makes sense. Sunsets turned me back.
While having coffee with my sister one day, she revealed that she was a flat earther.
I said I wasn't going to try and convince her otherwise because if literally millions of pieces of evidence doesn't convince you, then nothing I can say will, but I will ask you a couple of question so that I can understand a bit more. This was the brief conversation:
Q. Do you think the sun is round? Her answer - It appears to be
Q. Do you think the moon is round? Her answer - it appears to be
Q do you think all the other planets are round? Her answer - they appear to be
So to clarify, you're saying that the sun, the moon and all the planets are round but we're floating on a flat disk in the same space. Ok.
I think it made a difference from the look on her face but we've never spoken of it again.
I entertained it for a while. What convinced me the earth was a sphere was a video I came across of a group of flat earthers doing a laser test over water. They found a stretch of level water around 2 miles long, then used level lasers to measure the distance from the water. The test came back quite accurately indicating the earth was a sphere and not flat. They all got super upset and were crying about it. Seems like a doable and effective test and their reaction, confusion and heartbreak seemed genuine.
The GPS Knows
Another "not me but might have convinced someone else" story.
I was on the bus home and a flat earther decided to talk with me about something. Idk what it was but the conversion quickly turned to the earth being flat. Humoring him I asked 'if the earth is flat how does GPS work?' He told me that GPS comes from cell towers. I pressed him and told him 'that can't be true because I have an app on my phone that shows my location on a pdf when I have no cell signal.
I use it when I go hiking in the mountains.' He told me that 'the GPS signal is so much stronger than the cellphone signal that I would still get it up there.' Just then we passed though a tunnel and I asked him 'why, if the signal is stronger, do I lose GPS tracking in a tunnel?' He seemed confused and just said 'I don't know I'm just asking questions.'
As a general rule all flat eathers are just trolls and I tell that to their face if it comes up. That out of hand dismissal by itself tends to shake them. But I was in a playful mood that day.
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My daughter (13) just told me yesterday that she was a flat earther until about 4th grade. Not sure how I missed that for so long. Says she figured it out seeing some pictures of the earth from outer space.
Part of the Cult
A question I wonder about is can a flat earther ever stop being one?
I think it's a question for psychologists. Being a flat earther isn't about facts, it's a way to gain an identity and reassurance. A flat earther wants to not walk the earth not understanding anything and not knowing who to trust. It's a way to carve a sense of self out of a sense of incompetence.
Instead of walking around as an idiot, now you tell yourself you are one of the few who knows the truth and can't be tricked like the other headless sheep.
To stop being a flat earther would be to give up this coping mechanism to deal with your own mediocrity. Even worse, it would be admitting you were wrong, and therefore again reaffirming the thing you were running away from to begin with: the fact that you are just another idiot who doesn't know anything.
So I doubt anyone can give up being a flat earther without first overcoming the original psychological need that brought them there in the first place. Just like any other cult (yes, I'm talking about you trumpists out there). The more invested you are in the lie the longer and harder the withdrawal process will be.
Was friend to a flat earther a couple of years ago before the time when they came up with the idea that Australia was not real and it's just a hoax by the British govt. fast forward to the time when they finally came up with that crap, needless to say, this flat earther had a sudden change of heart, at first it didn't process to him that Australia is just a hoax that it's not real. Then finally came to his senses that the earth is round and he's been a moron for being a flat earther. Reason for his roundabout? We live in Australia.
Such a Tease
I actually love the flat earth argument. Every time I encounter an anti-vaxer or a plandemic nut I listen and agree. I then make them listen to "my" logic on how the earth is flat. Every time they respond by picking apart the flat earth logic. I then defend the flat earth and sincerely compare my "proof" to their "proof" against vaccines or Covid. They get so frustrated that I compare their point of view to something as dumb as flat earth. This is especially fun with the anti-vaccine crowd because they think they understand data and scientific research.
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The friend of a student of mine once said the earth had to be flat as the soles of our shoes were flat and if it were round we wouldn't be able to walk on it. I was so baffled I couldn't even answer. Took me a while to think of telling him that actually the soles of our feet are arched.
Let it Be
Serious answer here.
I was really into flat earth, I never admitted to being 100% sure it was, because I wasn't, but I know the general aspect of how it could be possible. I'm not sure if I "converted" but I just decided to stop giving it the time and attention I was dedicating it. Like there are lots of thing wrong with the flat earth theory, but there are also lots of questionable things regarding the earth being a globe. So, for me its more of a live and let live kind of thing.
Leaving it like that, just because I don't feel like writing a whole monument script of my thoughts right now.
The Stars Aligned
After I saw a computer simulation of how stars movement would look like if we were indeed on a flat surface. It was based on human point of view aka how our own eyes sees stars and planets. If I find it again, will share it here.
The Physics Guy
I was "The physics guy." So once, when the neighbor's home schooled kids started asking about earth and stuff, my wife invited them over. I had a globe, a ball that i used as the moon, a lamp that i used as the sun, he whole lesson plan.
i explain about seasons, and eclipses, and day/night.
I explain about the phases of the moon.
after about an hour, the dad (THE DAD ?!?!?!) asks me, "wait, are we on the outside or in the inside of the globe. "
it must have been a brain fart, the guy's not an idiot, but it amazed me that this is the first he ever thought about earth at all.
He asked me "majornerd, you are a smart guy, how do we know the earth is round"
I said "you'd think it would be because we went to space"
he said "yeah, but we didn't. It was a lie to fool the Russians."
To which I replied, "that's not how we know the earth is round. We've known for centuries that it was round."
"It's easy, and you can do this too. Stand on any dock in the world and look to the ocean. What part of the boat do you see first?"
"Huh? I don't know."
"You see the mast and sails first. The question is why? The hull is much larger, why do we see the top of the mast, then the sails, then the hull?"
"I don't know"
"Because the earth is curved. So the tip of the boat appears first as the rest comes into view, literally around a corner"
"Holy crap, I'm forty and nobody has ever explained that so easy to me. I have to think about this."
He told me a couple days later that I changed his mind on the subject. He had no idea we had known for so ever loving long.
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I studied math in college, and the Flat Earth webpage had a link to explain the math behind why the Earth is flat. I was curious to see whether they actually could mathematically prove the Earth is flat.
The math was total BS and I realized then that I'm making a huge mistake.
Oh they know...
99% of flat Earthers don't really, truly believe it. What they believe is that scientists are liars, the government is preventing us from understanding the natural world, and they enjoy seeing just how scientifically illiterate the average person is. Part of what makes them believe it is that most people have no idea how to explain it because they just accepted it. They watched that Columbus Disney movie or just took it as gospel from a teacher but probably can't prove the Earth is round. That feeds the doubt. But deep, deep down they know they are wrong. Except for the truly delusional ones.
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Look, most people here don't really know what they're talking about.
The ones saying "it's simple, if ___ then ___." It's not that simple. I've seen a lot of this flat earth community, and I'm telling you there is an explanation for everything. This is like the MCU of conspiracy theories, it goes very deep. I get why people fall for it.
Just for Fun
My husband and I have talked about this a lot. He saw some flat earth stuff, and started the conversation with how do we know the earth is round? I'm 99 percent sure he knows the earth is round, but he debates it in fun so earnestly I love to bring it up around groups of people because it's hilarious.
Anyway, my question has and always will be... why would anyone lie about the earth being round? How could anyone believe that all the countries of the world have somehow all collaborated together to lie to all citizens that the earth is round when it's truly flat. What benefits are there to this?
Out in the World
An ex of mine was brought up as a Creationist.
She said there was a moment after she moved out to university and she went to a museum and there was a display about evolution and her mind was BLOWN. She told me she stared at it for hours then went home.
Teacher Knows best
One of my Geometry students believed the earth was flat. I found out because the other students were mocking her for it. I told them to knock it off, and then quietly didn't the rest of the year trying to demonstrate how the earth was not, in fact, flat. We did a day on spherical Geometry and measuring angles on a sphere.
We did projections from three to two dimensions and looked at different maps of the earth. They drew the continents on an orange and then peeled it different ways to make it lay flat, and compared distortions between the different ways of opening.
I got and airline pilot to come talk about using math, and one kid asked why they fly over Greenland to get to London, so he grabbed my gloves and talked about segments of great circles and how beautiful it was to see the earth curve away through the windscreen. We measured a bunch of shadows on our football field and then Skyped a buddy in Alaska, whose class measured shadows on their field, and tried to use our data to calculate the radius of the earth. (we were way off).
I there in a calculus activity on local linearity- that any curve can be assumed straight on some small scale, and explicitly stated that it was like how earth looks flat to us but is really a sphere. We even watched videos of tall mast ships disappearing over the horizon during the break in the final exam.
At the end of the year, I pulled her aside and asked if she believed the earth was flat. She said, "well, for airplanes and boats and stuff, and like Geometry, it's a sphere, but really it's flat."
So, she knew it was round, but chose to believe it to be flat.
Almost got Me
I was never a flat earther, but I went down the rabbit hole one day and let myself hear out their main arguments and had a moment when I started getting freaked out and scared that it could be true. So, I googled proof that it was spherical and quickly found several practical experiments that you can do at home which prove it is a sphere.
I ran into a young man (I worked with his brother ages ago) while visiting my hometown and sometime during our stop and chat he began saying things about how the earth is flat.
My boyfriend and I glanced at each other and realized at the same time that this person was serious and not messing around.
I asked how he knew, tried my best not to let on that I was shocked I'd finally met a flat earther.
His reasoning was that when you look at the water (he's only seen a few Great Lakes and rivers) that the sky doesn't curve and the water looks flat all the way out.
He had a few other reasons and it was sad because his "proof" was due to his limited ability to travel out of Michigan and actually see things. I think if other people and also the planet seemed more real that a lot of individuals would be better for it.
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My husband was really questioning it but then I went in a private jet and went so high that I was able to see curvature the earth first hand. I took a lot of photos and he was convinced after that.
She IS Smart...
My SIL is a flat-earther. She is very educated. That being said... we think she is likely mentally ill or has some kind of mental issue. She believes all kinds of conspiracy theories and falls for all the fake news. Despite having a Master's degree she seems to possess zero critical thinking skills.
Matches the Floor
Former flat earther here.
Thought the earth was flat because the floor in the room I was in was flat. Then I turned like, a few years old.
Probably, anyway. Nobody should figure out the earth is round while they're old enough to remember how.
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I once had a debate with a dude that was arguing for the flat earth theory... I'm still not sure if he actually believes it, or was just playing devil's advocate. I've never asked, because if it's the former, that is a rabbit hole I have no interest in exploring.
I have a co-worker that thinks the Earth is flat. His logic is that god did it to show humans they were special and the devil works with a Jewish shadow government to lie to the world in order to "maintain control".
You should visit voat.co it's where the crazies convene and share their "proof" for a number of conspiracy theories.
Not a former flat earthist, but I've reminded a few of them about gravity, and how it exerts its force around matter in spherical shape. And when they rebuttal "Gravity is a flawed theory", I remind them that the gravitron's existence has already been confirmed. That convinced the majority of them.
I don't believe in flat earth, but theres some psychology behind this. Most people choose to beat people with the right answer rather than guiding them down a gentle path to it. If I was in intellectual darkness, I'd stay away from someone who chooses to blast a floodlight of truth in my face, but would easily accept it if it starts dim and then gradually gets brighter.
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I wasn't entirely a flat earther but when I was younger, I was falling for everything I could find on the internet: hollow earth, flat earth, we're actually inside the hollow earth etc etc.
I fell in and out of the belief over time until I saw a video of an experiment where one group flew a helicopter far out over the ocean and another group watched it with a powerful telescope as it slowly lowered to the horizon. It disappeared behind the horizon while the helicopter was still a considerable distance from the ground. That ended that phase for me for good.
I doubt you'll find many, if any reformed flat earthers. For people like that who are so entrenched within their ideology, the flat earth isn't just something they believe, it's who they are. They have flat earth friends, listen to flat earth podcasts, watch flat earth YouTube, and wear flat earth clothes to their flat earth meetings. Even if deep down, someone like that had an epiphany and realized that they were wrong, imagine how hard it would be to reject all of these relationships, the community, and the friends that are held together because of that one common belief. It's similar to why it's so hard for people to leave cults or extremist religious or political groups.
As someone who entertained but never genuinely believed the idea and went pretty deep down the rabbit hole it's distance/time. On a flat earth map circling the north pole should be an extremely short trip while circling the south pole would be the longest route on the planet. The further south you get the further apart things should be and the longer trips would take. The flat earth map really falls apart there. Once they start arguing that time works differently based on location you know there's no way to justify the argument.
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I think my favorite recorded Flat Earther interaction was when Elon Musk tweeted at the Flat Earth Society and asked them why they believed the Earth was flat when we could plainly see that Mars is round.
They responded that unlike the Earth, Mars has been observed to be round.
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It can be very embarrassing when you pronounce words wrong. Let's face it, the English language is super complicated, especially if you're learning it for the first time. You can't always trust yourself to pronounce things phonetically either because of all the different rules!
Recently, a relative pronounced the word "epitome" like "epi-tome." They were embarrassed when I corrected them. I told them that it wasn't a big deal, though they did note that they love that word, have used it for a long time, and that no one corrected them until that moment...
People told their stories after Redditor adeptwarrior asked the online community,
"What's an 'oh sh*t' moment where you realised you've been doing something the wrong way for years?"
"When I was five..."
"When I was five a Pizza Hut employee told me that the powder on the breadsticks was called fairy dust. Ordered extra fairy dust on my breadsticks until I was around 14 when an employee said ‘do you mean garlic salt?’ It still devastates me to realize how obtuse I was."
Believe it or not, Pizza Hut does refer to the mixture—made of of italian seasoning oregano, basil, garlic, marjoram, and parmesan—as fairy dust.
"When he caught me..."
"It wasn’t very long, but when I was learning to drive my dad was explaining the rule of thumb regarding a safe distance to be behind the car in front of you. I thought it meant to hold your thumb up and if your thumb didn’t cover the entire car you were too close to it."
"When he caught me doing that he asked me what I was doing. When I explained he burst out laughing, then considered it, and concluded it wasn’t a bad idea but perhaps a bit distracting."
Also every other driver thinks youre a super friendly guy or a bit passive agressive.
"We got it delivered..."
"We bought a nice liquor cabinet. We got it delivered and noticed it was a bit shorter than we thought. No biggie. Three years later, we’re moving. Lift up cabinet and these beautiful, ornate, screw on legs wrapped in tape and bubble wrap fall off the bottom. Looks so much better now!"
This is cute—it's like you discovered an entirely brand new piece of furniture!
"When he mentioned..."
"Until last week, when my father in law would made a phone call on his very basic non-touch-screen flip phone he would open the menu, scroll to the phone icon, open it, hit the soft key for contacts, scroll to the person he wanted to call, press ok, then press the soft key to call."
"When he mentioned how he preferred his landline because he could just dial the number, I said "Humour me. Just dial the number and hit the talk button." I've never seen a man so simultaneously grateful and embarrassed."
Aww, this is sweet. It's important to help older folks feel up to speed with technology. He was definitely more grateful than embarrassed.
"Since the dawn of time..."
"Since the dawn of time, I would pick up the silverware and utensils out of their tray in the dishwasher and put them away in their drawers then go back and pick up more out of the dishwasher. Then one day I saw my wife lift the tray out of the dishwasher and I legit stood there with my mouth open."
I did not ask to be attacked like this. Leave me alone!
"I always thought..."
"I always thought eggplant tasted "itchy" like itchy was a flavor, like sour or salty. Fed some to my baby and his face turned red wherever the eggplant touched, and I realized we're both just allergic to eggplant. And itchy isn't a flavor."
This is rather sweet but glad to hear that neither you nor your baby had a more serious reaction!
"Apparently the red ring around the bologna is not supposed to be eaten."
Tell that to just about everyone I grew up with.
"My mom has been pronouncing Massachusetts "Massa Two Sh*ts" for years and no one corrected her because they thought she just had strong feelings about Massachusetts."
I mean, have you heard of "Massholes"? They're a thing.
"Well the name I recorded..."
"Well... This was a few years ago. I was the director of IT for a very large company. I was given a new cellphone and told to setup my voicemail. I don’t know that when I recorded my name it would be played to whomever I leave a voice mail for."
"Well the name I recorded was, “Dooder84 Corporate IT Godddd!!!”
I worked there for 4 years until someone in the hallway referred to me as the “corporate IT GoD!” I was so embarrassed."
Wear it confidently because this type of stuff makes people like you more. They don't feel the need to be fake around you.
"My mom used to..."
"My mom used to refer to me as a “bull in a china shop." Always heard it as “bowl in a china shop." Thinking it was a compliment. At about 22 I hear someone else use the phrase and realized she meant “bull,” not “bowl."
Aww, there goes your mom telling you how dainty and priceless you are again!
Don't be too embarrassed. We all fumble, it's what makes us human. Laugh at yourself because chances are that no one else cares as much as you do.
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There are many TV shows with compelling themes and interesting character developments that impressed both critics and audiences alike back in the day.
But some of the shows that once captivated audiences have not aged well, and there are many elements in them that are outdated by today's standards.
Curious to hear examples of these, Redditor lilac_cup asked:
"Which tv series has aged like milk?"
The handling of these controversial TV story lines seem so careless in retrospect.
Addressing Child Abuse
"The very first episode of Hill Street Blues has two cops breaking up a domestic disturbance caused by a woman finding her man f'king her 15yo daughter. The man is told not to be sh**ty, the woman is told to put out more and the child is told not to be so tempting. Then the cops leave, patting themselves on the back for a job well done."
The Teacher's Secret Relationship
"Pretty Little Liars. I think even at the time, the teacher dating his 16 year old student storyline was considered creepy, but in 2022 it’s honestly unbelievable that was ever portrayed in any kind of positive light. Also that her parents didn’t immediately just report him to the police."
"Not the whole series but Ally McBeal. In one episode Ally found out her bf is bi and her reason breaking up with him was she afraid that one day her bf would be attracted to their son."
These reality shows would never fly in a "woke" world.
"There was a reality show on Fox called 'Black. White.' Where they put a white family in blackface and a black family in whiteface."
"Just reading about it, it turns out the white family wasn't even a real family. They were unrelated actors."
"Extreme makeover. I remember watching this show as a kid and being like oh wow they’re fixing all these ugly people with plastic surgery and making them happy. I just think that caused a whole generation to think they could change their body with money. Show lasted like 4 seasons. Couldn’t imagine that show today."
"Secret life of an American teenager."
"My god this show was terrible. My wife’s sister was into it and we ended up watching a lot of it when we were dating. I think they tried to make the banter like Gilmore Girls, but it ended up being the characters repeating their current plots and arcs over and over. I don’t remember the characters at all, but the main character was such a horrible person, and the audience is supposed to root for her."
"The main things I remember about it were the religious girl claiming she killed her dad by having sex with her boyfriend, and apparently you go to Bologna to get bjs."
"You Are What You Eat."
"Host Gillian McKeith (or to use her full medical title, Gillian McKeith) was an absolute quack with an online medical qualification from a Mickey Mouse university. She pretended to be a scientist by being recorded standing around in a lab wearing a white coat, spouted unscientific nonsense that anyone who had done a GCSE in science could see through, and was obsessed with getting people to shit in Tupperware boxes."
"It got cancelled after the final series when you had to have her move in with you. In the last few years she popped up again as a prominent anti-vaxxer once COVID vaccines became available."
These pageant shows glorifying good looks and talent would never be greenlit today.
"Dance moms- used to be entertaining, now all I can see is the psychological effects it must’ve had on those girls."
"Americas Next Top Model has to be #1."
"From all the behind the scenes sh*t that went on in production to what the show actually shows. It’s all just horrendous."
From Ugly To Beautiful
"The Swan, was 2 women who are considered 'ugly ducklings' participating in a pageant against each other after undergoing a three-month transformative process aka having heaps of plastic surgery."
"Right?! How were they allowed to do so many procedures in such a short time while completely isolating these women from their families? Making them diet and exercise while healing from a tummy tuck, breast implants, and veneers?! The 'therapy' sessions were a joke and were just for show while these poor women with low self esteem were preyed upon for entertainment. Just out of a safety and medical prospective…wow."
Judging The Reflection
"Didn't they also not allow the contestants/patients to have mirrors the whole time so they were surprised when they saw themselves? Psychologically having massive changes like that and it being sudden is extremely bad for your brain, you can end up rejecting the reflection because it's not 'you.'"
As audiences evolve, so does the writing and development of all forms of entertainment.
But because the changes are gradual, it is jarring when looking back and noticing how offensive and isolating some of these shows can be.
Times sure have changed in the world of entertainment–mostly for the better.
After having grown up inside the protective environment that was your childhood home, the inevitable time to leave and carve out your own path without a safety net can be terrifying.
Emotions can vary–with some people itching to leave their trappings while others terrified of adulting in the real world.
Curious to hear experiences from strangers online, Redditor WallStreetDoesntBet asked:
"People who moved out of the parent’s house before 30, how?"
Most people can't afford to live on their own.
Roommate Is Key
"yeah this exactly. I've never lived by myself, was roommates until I got a serious girlfriend and now fiance. There's exactly 0% chance of me being in the same position I'm in financially if I had been paying full rent all those years."
Not A Care In The World
"I was 17, we had 4 of us in a ghetto 2bd apt (bunkbeds) we had a beer bong on a lanyard screwed to the ceiling. We'd have keggers, party's every weekend and always had randoms crashing on the floor. Could barely afford to feed myself and pay bills but still not a worry in the world and it was the best time of my life."
One inconvenience shared by many was the sacrifice of a good, home-cooked meal.
Change Of Scenery
"Just needed a little R&R."
"Roommates and Ramen."
The "Wild" Years
"This, lol. I was kicked out at 16 and after couch-surfing for a few months I moved into a studio apartment with 4 other people."
"When I say we were poor, I mean poor - most of us didn’t have jobs. I lived off the worst of the worst food. Knockoff ramen. Dollar store canned veg. Rice and terrible year old pasta."
"It was a wild few years."
Rice For Life
"Or rice. I lived off rice for a full year. Fancied it up by adding some salsa, and then extra fancy by also adding ranch dressing."
"Those were hard times."
Having work definitely makes things easier.
Saving Up To Leave
"Started working while I was in school. Got out as soon as I could."
Not Much Fanfare
"Yep, moved out for college in 2006. Came back for the summer in 2007, but thereafter I got an internship so I just stayed in the city. Got a job at the same place after I graduated."
"It was never some big moment for me (my parents are fine, just annoying), just a natural progression for me."
Building A Life
"At 18. Worked in construction. Lived on a couch with 6 buddies in one house paying for college. Bought cheap land during the recession. Then built my own house."
Not moving out by choice seemed to be a common shared experience.
High Turnover Rate
"Got kicked out at 14. Finished high school sleeping on friends couches while serving tables. Had a ton of roommates for the next 10 years. At any given time I was living with like 3 or 4 people, it was never boring haha"
"I am hearing that so many people are actually kicked out in the really young age is well."
"But i am not getting that why parents are so tough because in my country they try to keep them under their wings."
"My friends parents were going to kick him out immediately after he graduated high school simply because 'That's what their parents did when they were his age.' His Dad fully expected him to go out at 18 and buy a house because 'he was able to.'"
"Then his Dad got pissed when my friend did not buy a house and went to live with his uncle instead. Even after his uncle broke down the whole 'Your mortgage is $2200/month with taxes and you expect your son, who works part time at $7.25 an hour to afford a mortgage? With no credit history?'"
"Some parents do it out of tough love. Some parents do it because they shouldn't have had children. Some parents still think the world is the same as it was in the 70s-80s and think minimum wage part time employees can thrive."
"My parents didn't kick me out, but there was definitely an expectation for me to be moved out and financially independent at 18. My mother walked into a job as a radio DJ at the age of 18 and then became a journalist with only a high school education a few years later (early 1970s), so she had this expectation that I could do the same. The thought of me being able to do anything like that in the 2000s was laughable."
I moved out of my parents' house because I booked my first professional gig on a cruise ship.
It couldn't have worked out better. I was paid to perform on board in the shows while my rent was already taken care of since I lived and worked on the ship.
I packed one suitcase and traveled the world doing what I loved for about two years. It was the best way to transition into an exciting new chapter in my adolescent life.
What's your moving out story?
I may not be popular for saying this, but I think comedy is the best form of entertainment.
However, it’s not always easy to find great comedy.
There are lots of comedians who make me smile or even make me laugh at a joke or two. Yet, it’s really hard to find a comedian who can keep me laughing through their whole set.
If you’re having trouble finding those kinds of comedians, or are just ready to find a new comedian to enjoy, Redditors are here to help.
Probably hoping to find a great comedian themself, Redditor Plastic_Ad_6179 asked:
"Who's the best comedian of all time in your opinion?"
"For many reasons, but mainly for being the undisputed champion of the world in...Carrot In A Box:"
"What a HUGE talent. Luckily he left a lot of great footage. Terrible loss."
"The comedians comedian"
"Honorable mention to Bill Burr."
"When I turned 21, my mom took me to Vegas. We saw Carlin perform and we laughed solidly for 90 minutes. I don’t remember any of the jokes, but I have never laughed like that since. He was a true master of the art."
"Carlin is the only correct answer. Nobody will ever touch that level of wit, wordplay, satire, and social commentary."
"I went to a Mike Birbiglia show at Zanies in Nashville back in 2008. Guy killed…got up on stage, told 1 story. Took him 90 minutes to get through that story. The whole time, he’s veering off on tangents that seemed completely natural, conversational even. Each tangent was a tiny hilarious story itself. The show seemed so smooth and flowed so naturally, that I could hardly believe it was written. It was masterful. Sure, he doesn’t tell jokes that leave you breathless with laughter, but he does tell jokes that get 90% of the way there with such consistency that I’m actually more impressed with that than the former."
"In terms of:"
- "Being at the top of his game for a long period of time"
- "Being perfect at timing and execution"
- "Understanding comedy to a degree that other comedians notice and respect"
- "Being clever and witty on the spot"
- "Having memorable jokes and killer standup routines"
"My favorite story about Norm MacDonald I've heard is that when he was coming up if he bombed he'd wait in the back of the club after the show to shake everyone's hand in their way out. If he killed he wouldn't. What a legend."
"If you asked a group of comedians who their favorite comedian is I'd bet Norm would be near the top of the list. So much of his material was a deconstruction of comedy itself. If Norm MacDonald tells you a bad joke, and you laugh, is it still a bad joke? Why is it funny? Are you laughing at him or is he laughing at you?"
"Mitch Hedberg. RIP."
"I used to love that guy. I still do but I used to too."
""I got in an argument with a girlfriend inside of a tent. That’s a bad place for an argument, because I tried to walk out, and had to slam the flap.""
""F**k you, zzzzzzzzzzip""
"Monty Python, as a group."
"I don't think there's been a single more influential comedy act than Flying Circus."
"I agree with it just because it’s one of the few non-American mentions here. People seriously think that humor ends on American Stand Up and television…"
"Also Monty Python is ALWAYS funny"
"Live on Broadway stands as one of the most memorable things I have ever watched."
"Idk why he isn’t higher on this list or mentioned more often. Robin Williams had absolutely insane improv skills. Watch the episode of Who’s Line with him as the guest star, the rest of the cast can’t keep it together."
"Scrolled this far to find a female comedian! Love Lucille Ball"
"I saw I Love Lucy was streaming a couple months ago. Having watched it as a kid, I figured I’d put it on for a nostalgic chuckle. I was not ready for that show to be so, so funny—I nearly passed out I was laughing so hard."
"She was a comedic genius."
"Rowan Atkinson (John Cleese closely second)"
"Atkinson is such an amazing physical comedian that it’s basically overlooked that he’s a first-rate stand-up, as well."
"He saved SNL. They wouldn't be on air today were it not for Murphy"
"Goat of comedy"
Comedy may not be everyone’s favorite form of entertainment, but it is a can’t miss, so long as the comedian in question is a good one.
Luckily, we’ve got some great suggestions above.