Educators Who Taught Future Murders Reveal What They Were Like Before Their Crimes[rebelmouse-image 18348518 is_animated_gif=
It's the gamble educators take. You never know what your students are going to be like until the day they walk through your door. Maybe they'll be beautiful angels. interested in every topic and engaged in every lesson. Perhaps they'll be nightmare children from beyond, haunting your every dream like a leech of disciplinary actions. Teachers and child-care providers can only take these children as they come, but what they can't predict is what happens after those students walk away. Sometimes, even the brightest students can fall to the darkest desires when real life happens. Reddit user, r/FoxMulderOrwell, wanted to know when they asked (Trigger Warning ahead):
[Serious]Teachers who have taught future murderers and major criminals, what were they like when they were under your tutelage?
A Waste[rebelmouse-image 18346777 is_animated_gif=
One of my former students murdered two people, apparently on a drug deal gone wrong. He is now serving life in prison.
I had him in first grade. Sweet kid, highly intelligent. Seriously, he was reading on a third grade level...despite the fact that he came in late every day. Not just ten or fifteen minutes late, usually he would come in around 10:00. Dad was not in the picture (in prison for gang activity) and Mom was unconcerned about his education. I tried everything I could to impress on her just how intelligent her son was and how he had a very bright future but that he needed to be in school. She honestly didn't seem to care. He later dropped out when he was in high school, joined a gang, and things snowballed.
Such a goddamned waste.
When They Were Just Class Clowns[rebelmouse-image 18348519 is_animated_gif=
Ive taught four students who have been involved with murders. 3 killed one guy together and the fourth shot a person at a hotel party and killed them.
I worked at an alternative school so they had behavioral issues. Only one of them struggled academically. They were all class clowns. The one thing that sticks out is that all of them struggled to fit in. They felt like they had something to prove. The three kids came in the day after they committed the murder. You could tell something was off. They left early and later we heard what happened. The whole situation is still really clear in my mind, f_*_ed up stuff.
When It Starts Small And Becomes Something Worse[rebelmouse-image 18348520 is_animated_gif=
When I first started working as the English teacher at a public elementary school in Tokyo, one of the teachers was telling me about how the class's pet dwarf hamster Totoro had gotten out of his cage and accidentally been stepped on. He was a little guy, so it wasn't exactly a bloody scene, but nobody knew who did it, and all the kids were sad.
A few weeks later, one of the other class's pet guinea pig "got out" of his cage and was stepped on as well. Like, stomped flat. Very messy - and someone had clearly used some tissues to clean off their shoes before leaving the room. All of the students wear the same kind of in-school slippers, so it's not like we could go CSI on the situation and figure it out by shoe print, but one of the other teachers noticed that one girl in her class, a fifth grader, had some suspicious reddish smears on the edges of one of her shoes. The girl was called to the office, and parents were called.
The next day, the parents come in, and explain to the principal that they're moving their daughter to a new school. Basically, "she's not your problem anymore, so don't bother trying to call in child counselors or anything." So rather than make a big deal out of it all (which would have been a headache for everyone) the school let it all slide, because the girl was gone.
A few years later, there was a local news story about a Jr. High girl who'd assaulted another student. It sounded like she pushed the other girl down some stairs and then kicked her. They didn't publish names (because she's a minor), but word traveled down the grapevine pretty quickly that it was our former student. I'm not sure what happened to her after that.
Strange Boy[rebelmouse-image 18348521 is_animated_gif=
Taught a boy who was involved in a gang murder. Wasn't the one who did the actual murdering, but was part of the plan and found guilty under group enterprise.
He was a strange, strange boy. Highly disruptive throughout school, very weak academically, and one who always gravitated towards trouble.
When Time Stings[rebelmouse-image 18348522 is_animated_gif=
So, I've taught a couple attempted murderers and quite a few major drug dealers, as well as students that would become accessories to murder (stuff like selling the eventual murderer a stolen firearm), so this isn't going to be super specific to one kid, but here goes:
The ones that truly gangbang hard tend to be the sweetest ones. They'll come up to me and ask how my spring break was, and answer questions in class, and defend me if students give me a hard time. Those ones are usually in too deep because the older heads tell them not to f**k around at school and get as many positive character witnesses as possible when they end up getting caught up. The ones that just joined a gang of their friends and go around selling a little bit of weed act a fool in class, because there's no authority structure telling them the gang doesn't need that kind of negative attention.
I've had heroin dealers in class, and the three or four of them were so kind, but trying to find the human inside them is so hard because of the drug abuse... it's like that episode of Black Mirror with the tiny person living inside their head. You want nothing more than to see them snap out of it, and sometimes they do: we had one of our most serious junkies graduate in December!
The ones who get to me the most are the ones that identify with me and then go out and do horrible things. I'm a younger dude that worked in the music industry so I have a lot of kids that just inherently think I'm cool despite tons of evidence to the contrary, so I'll know a kid for 3 years and love them to pieces and then see them in the paper for aggravated sexual assault. Those ones sting the most.
Sometimes, There's No Surprise[rebelmouse-image 18348524 is_animated_gif=
Had an 8th grader who was a jerk. Wouldn't listen, constantly disrupted the class, and put in little to no effort. Was a bully to the other students. Unfortunetly, our admin at the time was a push over so nothing ever happened when we would refer him or anyone else (one day he came back from the office and I overheard him telling a classmate when asked what happened that the principal "gave him some candy ane sent him back to class."
Cut to 6 years later, see his face on the news being arrested for a gang murder. Not the least bit surprised.
Not Allowed Pencils[rebelmouse-image 18348525 is_animated_gif=
I volunteered a couple of times at an alternative school. One of my pastors was the principal there, so our church youth group would help out from time to time.
I was in a fourth grade classroom and was tasked with helping a boy learn to read. It was basic stuff, cat, dog, ran, etc. He had a task to spell cat and dog, and couldn't or wouldn't try to see the difference. He said he'd never need to know how to read, so why should he? I told him I'd draw some pictures of what the words were next to the words so he could try to memorize them. He said something along the lines of, "If you try to make me do this I'll slit your throat" Note, I am/was a 275 pound dude.
I told the teacher, who told me not to worry, that they check him daily to make sure he's not carrying a knife since he's had a few incidents. Not sure what happened to that kid, nothing good. She'd also previously told me he wasn't allowed pencils or pens and was only allowed to write with crayons due to his violent outbursts. If he's still alive he'd be around 25 now.
When They Get Inside Your Heart[rebelmouse-image 18348526 is_animated_gif=
I teach at a community college where we have a program that allows high school students to take college level courses. One semester, I had a group of promising high schoolers in a 3D modeling class, and one student blew me away right from the start. Less than a week in, he had made this model of Claptrap from the Borderlands game series that was so detailed and perfect that it looked like it was ripped right from the game's assets (though it wasn't; I checked). I could tell right away that this kid was going places.
Well, the next week he wasn't in class. After missing a certain number of days, I'm obligated to call his school to let him know he's at risk of being dropped. Well, it turns out he was in jail. This student was apparently running a Twitter account where he publicly solicited and bribed people for child pornography, with some of the kids being as young as 1 year old.
Things Like Pizza Delivery Go Bad[rebelmouse-image 18348527 is_animated_gif=
I taught at an alternative school for a year. I have several students who later ended up in jail for everything from robbery to murder. Most of them weren't surprising...these were kids who clearly had no family structure or discipline at home. And almost all of them were affiliated with gangs somehow. We even had middle school kids jumped into gangs at the school. But alternative schools get almost no support from anyone but the police. It's basically a step away from jail.
The one who committed murder killed a pizza delivery driver over a drug deal. He was actually somewhat surprising because he was far from the worst kid I dealt with. He was a skinny, nerdy looking kid with braces, but he was hanging out with all the hard gang members too. I dunno, maybe he felt like he had to prove himself.
Nothing Out Of The Ordinary[rebelmouse-image 18348528 is_animated_gif=
When I was a student teacher I taught the younger of the Boston Bomber brothers.
To be honest I barely remember him. When the news broke I had to go back and check old spreadsheets in my laptop to make sure it was actually him.
He was only a freshman at the time. I would say he was a little quiet but nothing out of the ordinary.
Prom Night Turned Terrible[rebelmouse-image 18348532 is_animated_gif=
While I was a student teacher, I taught a young man who planned a school shooting for the night of his prom. He had weapons and apparently fully intended to harm his classmates, but was arrested after he made some alarming comments. He seemed like a nice kid, but very strange and withdrawn. He used to try to make jokes and witty comments, but was just awkward and got shut down a lot. Honestly, he was exactly what you imagine a kid who has been bullied but still tries to make friends would be like. I suspect he was on the spectrum as well, but never diagnosed.
I feel bad for him despite the terrible things he planned to do. His classmates ended up raising a sizable amount of money and donating it to mental health charities, and they did eventually have their prom just before the end of the school year. The student served about six months in prison jail and was given a few years of probation.
Already On The Wrong Path[rebelmouse-image 18348533 is_animated_gif=
I am a teacher now, however I wasn't a teacher when this happened. I was working at a juvenile detention center, which they were saying was a "treatment" center. We were not a facility that held major offenders.
One kid was in there for getting caught with some marijuana. He was in for like 3-6 months, which was harsh for a first time offender, but the judge was notorious for this kind of thing. We had kids from that area who were sent to us after skipping school a few times.
He was really mellow. Liked to play card games and was very mature. When the younger kids would be starting fights or bickering, he would always distance himself and just sort of remove himself from everything.
A year after he left us, he was caught trafficking serious amounts of narcotics. He was sentenced to something like 20 years for that and the various offenses which led up to him getting caught.
Manipulating From A Young Age[rebelmouse-image 18348534 is_animated_gif=
Grade 6. A small boy who talked tough and ran a mini gang of bigger boys. Poor student; the only thing he did well was athletics (amazing runner) but wasn't allowed on the teams because his marks were so bad.
His mother looked about my age and I was an undergraduate student teacher. I got that through word-of-mouth: I never met her because she'd cancel at the last minute any parent-teacher meetings. There were a lot of requests for these meetings. No father figure in his life. Free range kid in the worst sense; couldn't respect anyone more than two years older than him unless they were black or willing to throw down with him right there.
He knew how to manipulate people. He definitely manipulated me. About 10 years later I found out in the news he dropped out of high school to do gang things, and was part of an interview/study on rehabilitating kids like him. I don't buy any of it because it's the same stuff he told me. Also in the news article was that he shot some people in a condo and was later killed in a police shootout.
Straight From Desks To Prison Bars[rebelmouse-image 18348535 is_animated_gif=
I've taught some kids who turned out pretty rotten and you could usually tell by their conduct during high school. However, one that sticks was these two LOVELY siblings. Great students; polite, well-mannered and tried hard academically. Both graduated.
Turns out that in their final years, they joined their father in distributing crystal meth. Straight from high school to prison.
Going Into The Family Business[rebelmouse-image 18348013 is_animated_gif=
Oh. The last one from this one school site. I worked there for 8 years and really loved it. It shaped me as a teacher and I got to work with thousands of amazing kids.
This one kid's dad was in a bike gang. I worked with him for a year as a sophomore. He hated school, the system didn't work for him and even though he acted out a lot and spent a lot of time suspended and expelled for smoking, drugs and kicking off, we maintained a respectful relationship. He barely completed any work the year, but I was just glad he came to classes. I didn't teach him again, but he always stopped for a chat and a bit of banter. He was adamant he didn't want to follow in his Dad's footsteps and started a construction course where he really excelled. He had found something he was naturally talented at.
A few years after he had left school he ended up working for his Dad - both the actual business front and the drugs, weapons and rivalry part. He was stabbed to death in a drug deal gone bad. I didn't go to his funeral as I hadn't seen him for a few years, but I expressed my condolences to his his family and friends. He was 19.
We had discussed the fact that he may end up in jail if he went into the family business - I never thought he wouldn't make it to his 20th birthday.
There For A Day, Memories For A Lifetime[rebelmouse-image 18348026 is_animated_gif=
I was a substitute teacher for a couple years. About two years after I stopped, one of the kids I had went to prison for two counts of attempted murder. The kid was an a**hole and by far the worst kid I had to deal with but nothing that stood out to me as murderer. He was expelled for hitting a girl but that was after I left so I don't know much about it.
Surprising, But Also Not[rebelmouse-image 18348536 is_animated_gif=
I taught a student 6 years ago who recently committed a heinous double murder with 2 accomplices. Home invasion, tortured the middle aged married couple, and came back all weekend undiscovered to loot their home (with the bodies in the house). Police have clear surveillance video. He had apparently just been released from jail too. He was very sheepish about his poor grades and not smart at all. I would go as far to say one of the most illiterate kids I encountered. But he was always polite and respectful...not a trouble maker. He played on the basketball team. Pretty clearly had no support from home.
When I saw his mugshot on tv, I screamed. Surprising but also not I suppose.
Teaching Victim And Murderer[rebelmouse-image 18348537 is_animated_gif=
As a substitute teacher I subbed several classes with a student who would later be responsible for murder. He was certainly an obnoxious character. Loud and disruptive.
I remember subbing him in P.E. He was being overtly aggressive in a game of indoor soccer and other students seemed to avoid him. I'm guilty of being slightly happy when he fell and injured his knee. Later I asked him how his knee was and he seemed caught of guard that I even remembered. I subbed the kid he murdered too. He was also a disruptive kid. I actually remember making him sit in the hall because he couldn't stop talking during a test but other than that he seemed like a nice kid. I even spent some time talking to him. I guess there was some kind of dispute over drugs. The guy beat the other kid to death. I'm not even sure he meant to murder him. He ended up burying him out in the desert and his body was quickly discovered in a shallow grave. Now he's got a life term.
From high school to prison.
All Communications Lost[rebelmouse-image 18348539 is_animated_gif=
One of my former students apparently was involved with selling the drugs that caused an overdose to a musician on a tour stop. Musician died.
I found out by seeing the sceenshots of her admission posted in a large social media group I didnt know we were both part of....
The internet age, right? She was a typical kid with an emo streak, it broke my heart to see this go down because she scrubbed all traces of herself from the internet, havent been able to reach out to her since
Just Trying To Enjoy Michael Scott[rebelmouse-image 18346555 is_animated_gif=
I am late to the party but I have a very serious answer here. I had a group of students that I was very close to. They were all in a gang, what they called the Fo-Deuce (4-2) gang. It was a local member of the Crips. Two of them in particular I took particular interest in, having them in my home for dinner once a week, tutoring them every day after school for all subjects. I picked them up for school and dropped them off every day. I got them both jobs and drove them to work. They had pretty violent backgrounds, but I trusted them. They were like my own children before I had my own, actual children.
Unfortunately, things started going downhill with the older one. He stole from my wife a lot of valuables, then refused to acknowledge he had done anything wrong since he said he needed it more than we did since his lights were off. I put up a pretty strong boundary with him after that and he stopped coming around as much, and started walking to school again, which means he didn't come very often.
The other student, X, had a horrible home. No parents, grandma couldn't really take care of him, siblings in jail or on drugs, etc. I offered to let him live with us for a few months for some reason that I can't remember now. It sounds stupid, but that actually worked out. He never took from us. He was always grateful. His grades went up a bit. He even got jumped out of his gang after I asked him to. It really was a nice beginning.
About 4 to 6 months into him living with us, we were watching The Office, and he was laughing really hard at some joke, when all of a sudden, he stopped laughing, got this real somber look, then got up, went to his room, and wouldn't talk to us. He got up the next morning and told us he wanted to move out. At first he wouldn't tell me why. After a while of pressing him, he said he felt guilty enjoying life while his sister had to live in back with his grandma. He felt he was ready to take care of her, and no amount of me trying to convince him he had to take care of himself first would dissuade him, so he moved out the following week. After he graduated the next year, I changed schools and slowly lost contact with him. He got fired from his job for no-call, no-showing three times in a month. I got him another job but the same thing happened. Finally we lost touch. This was about 7 years ago or so.
About 7 months ago I get an e-mail from a lawyer. He tells me that his client asked him to get in contact with me. It's X. He had been convicted of murder. There is a news article on it, but I don't think I should post it, even though it's public record and all, but he basically walked into a room, shot a guy he had no beef with for no discernible reason to anyone, then walked out without robbing him.
More Than One Problem[rebelmouse-image 18348540 is_animated_gif=
I taught three students that together went on to commit at least one at least locally high-profile murder, and probably others, and will likely die in prison as a result of them.
Two of them are brothers, Adam and Brian.
It became apparent pretty early on that their house had drug issues, and there was some serious neglect going on. Physical abuse, too, from little things the boys let slip. They rarely had lunches, never had winter coats, and their shoes regularly were being glued or duct taped together. They'd talk about fights at their house, drug use, drunk parents, all sorts of things. We reported everything the entire year they were in my classroom, trying to get some intervention (they were actually from a fairly large family, six or seven kids) but it never turned in to anything. As students, they were entitled and did things like cutting in lines, or taking someone else's candy, and rowdy, but not entirely stupid. I think the total lack of discipline at home, never having consequences for not doing homework, was a huge contributing factor to how they ended up.
Adam was not the brightest bulb. He was a follower, for sure, and a little bit of a bully. He'd posture to show off, but if you pressed him, he'd back down. Never had problems with him in the classroom, after the first week, just in the halls, or recess, or at the bus stops. Acted tough, but at least when I knew him, it was a fairly unconvincing act.
Brian was always kind, when neither of the other two co-murderers were around. A really quiet kid, a thinker. But he stuck by his brother like glue. I guess they didn't have much else going for them, nobody else to watch their backs, so they were 100% together in pretty much everything. I really hoped Brian'd end up in a better place. He was brighter, kinder, and patient. Liked to read. I had hope, with him. I thought, if any of them have a chance, it's him.
And if it weren't for the third kid they fell in with, Carl, he probably would have.
Carl was a problem kid, had a file thicker than a dictionary. I saw him stab a kid, for no reason, and then say it was because he wanted to see what happened. We had to remove all scissors from our classroom because he liked to cut things. He threw a desk, once. Mid-story time, no apparent trigger. Just got up, threw it at a girl, and then laughed when she started crying.
He was a nightmare on the bus, on the playground, and so on. He had a recess duty assigned to keep an eye on him, because whether he directly did it or not, kids got hurt when he was around. He talked about killing animals, going hunting, and about doing things like taking people into the woods, getting them really lost, and then leaving them to die. He was a creep. He liked to pick on little girls. Not the ones in his grade, but ones 4 - 5 years younger. He'd corner them and bully them to tears, sometimes physically snatching at their dresses, or pulling their hair. He was awful, and constantly in and out of the principal's office.
Adam worshiped Carl, or followed him around like it, anyway, and Brian, well, he stuck with his brother. It was so sad to see happening. They all lived in the same area, and knew one another outside of school, and I always got the impression that Brian was afraid of Carl.
I know some of the other teachers in the building were. Hell, I'll even admit I was, too. I was on constant guard with him in class. He even in elementary school was fully capable of doing some serious permanent harm, and we all knew it.
Together, while still in high school, they abducted and killed a classmate.
Eavesdropping used to refer to the water dropping from literal eaves on a house. It later became a nickname, "eavesdropper," meaning someone who stood under the eaves to overhear a conversation.
Now, we have eavesdropping, meaning "to listen secretly to what is said in public," and Redditors have heard some pretty f*cked up things in public.
It's often something in passing that seems completely inappropriate even in the right context.
Redditor everlovingburns asked:
"What’s the most f*cked up thing you’ve overheard someone say in public?"
Here are some of the best - or worst - comments depending on how you look at it.
Cussing out a 12-year-old.
"Heard a woman quietly cussing out her daughter at a train station, calling her a b*tch and a sl*t. Daughter couldn't have been older than 12. She was just taking it in. Staring straight ahead, completely silent."
"People wonder why their kids just leave them to die alone and never contact them again as soon as they can leave."
"My mam has done something similar in a really busy train station and pushed me against the wall. No one helped. They just watched it happen and it's a moment that sits in my head rent free. There's plenty of other things she's done and she wonders why we aren't close."
Jim pooped on her lawn.
"'Listen I know Jim is homeless but that doesn't mean he can sh*t on my lawn.'"
"'I'll talk to him.'"
"I'm not homeless, the world is my home! And your yard is my bathroom."
Not the most scientifically accurate statement.
"I was on a Greyhound. A guy a few rows back was loudly talking on the phone about his cheating ex-girlfriend who said she was pregnant. He said that he knew she was lying because she has AIDS and everyone knows that when a person with AIDS gets pregnant, 'The AIDS eats the baby.'"
"Honestly greyhounds are absolutely wild for the stuff you’ll overhear. Entertaining and traumatic in one cheap ticket."
Admitted to killing the dog.
"Woman on her phone calmly telling her boyfriend that she was the one who gave his dogs antifreeze and that he was a wuss for crying over them dying."
"I'm not saying she should've been hit by a car, I'm just saying I would understand if it happened."
"My daughter just had a baby, I must go over and visit.. and poison their dog."
"Is that the lady from the anti freeze in the other comment?"
"Think we solved a few mysteries here on Reddit today."
"'Well dear, I don't care what your thoughts are. I banged your cousin and she is a fire crotch.'"
"I'm not sure how that phone call ended, but I remember passing the guy leaving a restaurant and trying not to die laughing."
"Whatever happens, Christmas dinner with the family won't be boring this year."
At the Cedar Rapids IHOP.
"IHOP, Cedar Rapids, Iowa. 'So the SECOND time I got stabbed...'"
"Man, in an IHOP? That sounds like a Waffle House conversation if I’ve ever heard one."
A boy in hysterics.
"I was in line for a scary ride at a theme park. A little boy was in the row next to me, in hysterics about not wanting to get on. His father was visibly angry, telling him to 'man up.' It was the first time they had gone when the boy was tall enough to ride but it was clear he wasn't mature enough to actually enjoy it. When it came time for them to board, the man dragged the kid to his seat and buckled him in while the kid was screaming. Why they didn't remove them both I'll never understand."
"Former ride operator. I would pull scared little kids off rides because 'I didn't want them to have a medical emergency.'"
"It usually worked. Sometimes they'd call for a supervisor and I'd get the a**hole who wouldn't back me up, but that was rare."
Casual support of Hitler.
"'Hitler should've finished the job.' Russian student to his Polish professor in a Canadian college class."
"If Hitler had finished the job there would be no Russian around lol."
With seven billion people on the planet, we are bound to hear some pretty f*cked up conversations.
Even if you weren't trying to eavesdrop on someone's conversation, this might make you think twice next time you want to overhear someone's conversation.
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Unfortunately, we as people are capable of doing some pretty awful things. Worst of all, we are capable of doing said awful things to each other--to other humans, whose suffering we understand above all else.
The drive behind these things is unclear, variable, and sometimes totally absent. But hurt people hurt people. It's as simple as that, and sometimes, we are the unfortunate receptor of that hurt.
Redditor Tomato_Shelf asked:
"Whats the worst thing someone has ever done to you?"
Here were some of those answers.
"My parents divorced when I was 7 (my father had an affair), my father remarried and got a new family, my mother remained single and bitter (she still loved him)."
"They always used to argue about whose turn it was to have me, they were trying to spite each other but the only thing that actually happened was that I realised neither of them must of loved me."
"One Christmas Eve when I was 14 they were having the same argument, my dad and his new family were staying in a hotel and told my mum they hadn’t booked a room for me, I walked to my mums and she said it was my dads turn to have me and locked me out."
"I slept in a car park fire hose (it didn’t actually have a fire hose in it). I was so scared and cold (skinny kid) I knew I couldn’t ask my friends to stay because it was Christmas Eve and already close to midnight by this point, I started to cry when the snow started falling at about 3am."
"I wish I had known back then that I could have just called the police but my juvenile brain didn’t know that, I went to live in a children’s home shortly after that and honestly I loved it, I still think of my key worker like my dad, he was great."-ILoveMyCatsSoMuch
Dad Needs Therapy
"Was early high school. Joking around with my father, horrid temper, switch flipped with him."
"He chased me down the hallway, thought we even playing till he pinned me down, hand around my throat strangling me till I passed out."
"Burst blood vessels in my eyes. Had to wear sunglasses for a good week to hide em while at work or elsewhere."-MisterJ33
Bamboozled By Family
"My 60 year old mother in law wanted to sign her house over to us because she has no retirement and no money saved. My wife was pregnant with our second child and she told us she wanted to be a stay at home grandma."
"I would be coming in and paying for everything. So we sold our house, paid off our debt, and cut a check for 54,000.00 dollars to her ex husband, which paid off the house in full."
"Then I made 10,000.00 dollars worth of home repairs. All bills were transferred in my name. When it came to sign the deal, suddenly she didn't want to do it. Told us she wanted things to go back to the way they were."
"My father in law told her well then we need to take out a home equity loan to give then their money back. She refused. The next week she served us an eviction notice and moved her boyfriend she claimed was abusive to her back in 2 days later."
"She threw her own daughter, my 3 year old, and my 3 month old baby on the streets. We tried to reason with her and then she had her lawyer threaten us with a restraining order."
"So now I'm suing her for my money back. Luckily my father in law is on our side and we were able to stay with him for the time being."-BananaSmoothie95
These stories really make you want to trust nobody.
She's The Ex For A Reason
"My ex wife made me believe I was making up all the proof that she was having an affair.. for a couple years."
"I went through therapy and anger management, accepted that I was just a f**ked up person and should have never disrespected my loving wife by accusing her of such things. She pushed all the help on me, praised me, etc."
"Two weeks after we divorced, she cheated on the guy she was dating(another affair dude) with me and admitted to everything. I kicked her out my house immediately."-elagentink
"My stepdad stole two houses, two cars, a scooter and a boat from us when my mother died. He then proceeded to commit perjury and tell the judge that he was broke because he paid me and my sister 60,000 each."
"This got him out of a loan that he had from my aunt, who loaned my mother hundreds of thousands of euro's so she could buy a house."
"Basically he did so much acrobatics that i didn't even get my own bed or clothes back, and he ended up with everything that could remotely be stamped as my mother's property."
"Overall, the worth of everything he stole (not just from my side of the family, but his EX WIFE that he got back to later) is upwards of half a million."
"His wife then ALSO DIES and he takes whatever's left. My lawyer told me i couldn't do anything since now two wives of his died in a three year span and there was no way a judge would look at him and say he owes anyone anything."
"Honestly i think he married my mom and then killed her. The same with his then-ex-but-current-after wife who also died rather quickly."-Toasted_pinapple
The Worst Kind Of Feeling
"Freshman year of college i met a girl and we became best friends. We did everything together. Then one day in class she told me she didn't want to talk she wanted to read. Thats was fine of course. She did that two more days."
"The fourth day she moved her seat from next to me to across the room. I tried to get her attention to talk but she avoided me. Next week we both happened to be washing our hands in the bathroom together."
"I said hi. She acted like i never existed. Soon she left the college. I went to grad school 3 years later (somewhere 2 hrs away) and lo and behold she was in my class."
"We were assigned the same group for a project. She looked uncomfortable and the next time class met, i found that she had dropped it. I never saw her again."
"It hurt me deeply because I had no clue why she did this. We didn't fight. Im not manipulative or catty or anything. This wasn't the worst thing to happen but it definitely ranked up there."-ghostiesontoasties
It reminds you to be thankful of the people you DO still keep around, and reminds you there's probably a reason you have.
The Family Is Often More Worth It
"Dated a woman for a time and eventually got involved with her teen kids and acted in a step parent role for years. Invested tons of my time, energy, and resources into them as a family."
"Then my GF went into a spell of depression and didn't want to do anything or talk about anything. Life went on around her, then when she saw me spending time with the kids instead of sitting on the couch doing and saying nothing like her, she became pathologically jealous and started accusing me of 'having too much interest in young girls.'"
"I spend a LONG time trying to fix and salvage the situation as I felt we were all bonded together as a family. Paid out of pocket for counseling for us, and for her exclusively for a long time after the therapist determined the focus of the problem was not me."
"She NEVER accepted responsibility for her claim and the effects it had. Thought she could just casually dismiss it at will, like she'd claimed I left the toilet seat up one time; thought I was making a 'big deal' out of everything."
"She never spent a second addressing the childhood traumas that openly affected her whenever there was a pinch, even invoking them as an excuse for acting how she did, then pretending they were fixed or nonexistent the 99% of the time she did NOT need to use them to manipulate the situation at hand."
"Finally had to walk away from the situation. Started dating someone else (who was a college debate coach with a PhD in English, night and day communication and interaction styles!) and she acted like 'I abandoned her,' even cheated when I made good on my promise to leave without effort on her part."
"Now a long time later I still hear from one of the boys who is now in his 30s and just had a baby. At least 2 of my exes grown children don't even talk to her at this point. I never tried to assemble a family again, but have had a VERY fulfilling love life since."-MentORPHEUS
"The girl I had a crush on when I was 8 only pretended to be my friend because she wanted to get embarrassing secrets out of me."
"She then spread them around and became one of the popular girls and I was horrendously bullied for years to come. Worst thing is we had after-school English in middle school together again and she was like 'hey why do you not talk to me' etc.."
"The b*tch made a solid quarter of my life hell and just forgot about it. I'm scarred for life and she will never remember it let alone feel bad about it."-New_General_6287
Shedding Old To Make Space For New
"The beginning of my junior year of high school I had a friend group that I shared a lot of good times with in years past. There were four guys (including me) and three girls, and we did nearly everything together. Toward the end of the year, they began to cut me off and hang out without me, lying about it, and overall just flat out excluding me."
"The whole while I was being told that nothing was wrong and I hadn’t done anything for this kind of treatment to occur, it was just scheduling conflicts or whatever. Nevertheless, I would continue to make attempts to organize things together, but was always ignored or given a lie."
"The final straw came after the end of that school year. I had always wanted to organize a float trip for the seven of us but there was never much interest from anyone else. Sure enough, a few weeks into summer before my senior year there were posts from the six of them on a float trip."
"I was so hurt to this point already that I finally cut myself off from continuing to ask and wonder why I was being disposed of. The way they treated me ate away at my mental health through the summer and into my senior year. I’d see some of them in class and they still would attempt to be chummy, but I reciprocated only enough to be cordial."
"I carried the weight of having my closest friends all up and abandon me with no reason for many years, and I attribute their mistreatment of me to many of the mental health and self-worth issues I still struggle with to this day."
"I still do see the occasional photo of all them together, and they were back in my hometown for the holidays at the same time as me, but thankfully I no longer yearn to be included nor do I expect an apology."
"They were/are incapable of seeing any wrongdoing on their part. It took me a bit to realize how narcissistic a good portion of them were, and the others were too timid to speak out against anything. I have a fantastic group of friends around me now that treat me thousands of times better than they ever did."-logan95
The only common thread through all of these misfortunes is that each of these people is here, afterward, to tell the tale.
That doesn't always happen--and when it does, it's very valuable to be able to see the thing that may have deeply affected you happened to someone else, too.
Hardly any human is ever, if at all, alone. And ultimately that makes up the defining piece of our human experience.
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Confession: I could never make it through Mulan 2. The reason? Mushu.
In the original movie he was voiced by Eddie Murphy, but in Mulan 2 he is voiced by an actor attempting to recreate Eddie Murphy's voice. Yeah, no.
The actor was lovely, I'm sure, but Eddie has one of the most easily recognizable voices in the world, Mulan was wildly successful (in large part because of Mushu) and you're just not gonna get away with faking that.
Reddit user pokeboy626 asked:
"Which celebrity voices are instantly recognizable?"
And it immediately made me feel some type of way thinking about the injustice of Mushu and Mulan 2. Let's see who else Reddit thinks is irreplaceable for real, not in the Beyonce way.
The Voice Of Godmorgan freeman i'm god GIFGiphy
"You are now reading this in Morgan Freemans' voice."
"You're not sure why, but the calm long syllables merge together as words - forming sentences in your mind. You did not seek this, but you got it."
"Oh how you got it."
"I’m not sure how many ATL rap fans there are reading this, but rapper 21 Savage got Morgan f*cking Freeman to narrate throughout his most recent album, 'Savage Mode 2' and it’s one of the most bad@ss flexes I’ve ever seen in music."
"Such a great piece of work. It feels like a movie at times."
"Recently watched Shawshank Redemption for the first time. I didn't realize the entire movie is narrated by him."
"Easily one of the best films I have ever seen."
"He's the voice of God. Nuff said."
That Awkward Moment When The Celeb RespondsArnold Schwarzenegger Smile GIFGiphy
"Arnold Schwarzenegger; specifically his voice going 'Get to the chopper!' "
"I'll be 'bekk.' "
"I think my voice is quite normal."
"Wait it's the actual Schwarzeneggar?!"
"I checked. Oh god it is. Awkward."
"He's had AMAs, it's the Governator himself."
"You clicked on this thread knowing you would be named, didn't ya?"
That's Not His Real Voice!?gilbert gottfried do not want GIF by HULUGiphy
"Have you ever heard his real voice?"
"There was some show where they played a voice mail he left, it might have been Howard stern. Sounds like a totally normal guy."
"I got to meet him after a show one time and he spoke normally."
"Honestly, it was shocking haha. Extremely nice guy though, and it was an absolutely hilarious routine"
"Waow"owen wilson wow GIFGiphy
"It’s more of a 'waow' ”
"I swear, I was having trouble hearing it in my head until I saw your spelling and suddenly it just clicked."
The Voice Makes That CharacterUnderstanding Emperors New Groove GIFGiphy
"Kronk! Voiced by Patrick Warburton."
" 'Oh right the poison.' "
" 'The poison for Kuzco' ”
Obviouslyjustin bieber GIFGiphy
"I can't imagine ANYONE else who could have done a better job as Marvin in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy."
"One evening I was walking in midtown Manhattan and Alan Rickman was walking with friends about 30 feet behind me. I knew the voice instantly."
"During an interview I heard, he said he was told in acting school that he would never be a great actor because his voice work was so poor. And yet, voice is what made him unique."
MufasaStar Wars GIFGiphy
"James Earl Jones."
"Probably the most recognizable one. Especially since in most movies you only hear his voice and don’t see him."
"My kids were floored last week when I informed them Darth Vader and Mufasa were the same guy, as we watched The Lion King."
Ms. Schallgravity falls GIFGiphy
"Mabel and Louise!! Two of my favorites."
"I scrolled way too far to find this answer."
"Most voices take a few moments to click. She's just so very recognizable."
" 'We sent FIVE HUNDRED RAVENS!' "
"Her character in What We Do In The Shadows makes me belly laugh. Her annoyance it such subtle comedy."
"I LOVE her in What We do in the Shadows."
"Hssssss. We sent 500 RAVENS!?"
Creative Cursing ASMR
"She has a really husky voice that’s pretty unique, I generally recognize her voice almost instantly in her roles."
"I would pay real money for her to release a GPS voice as Crisjen Avasaralla."
" ‘What is this, f*cking amateur hour? Take your d*ck out of your hand and turn the f*cking car before I die of old age.’ 😂 "
"Listening to her creative cursing in 'The Expanse' is my ASMR."
"I don't think I've ever heard a voice more distinct than hers. Instantly recognizable. I want her to read me a book."
"Came here looking for this answer!"
"Admiral Raan in Mass Effect 2 & 3, Avasarala in The Expanse, Grayson in Arcane, she has a voice like well-aged scotch, it’s amazing."
We Love NickSeason 3 Episode 13 GIF by Parks and RecreationGiphy
"I feel like every now and again I’ll be watching some kids movie and a character he voices will show up and I’ll immediately recognize his voice."
"My husband and I had a bet on if Nick Offerman was the voice of the logo "Fremulon" after Brooklyn 99 episodes."
"He SWORE it was, and turns out he was right. I was so impressed."
"Watching Lego Movie the very first time I was like 'That is clearly Nick Offerman doing a caricaturic pirate accent' and boy was that an easy call or what."
What celebrity voice is completely unmistakable in your mind? Sound off in the comments.
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Men. Why are you so difficult to shop for?
Guys are always like... "anything" or "whatever." It matters guys, make some decisions.
You know you want things, it's ok to admit it.
Now people have had to cobble together a "best of" idea gift list.
That's how many people are lost in trying to shop for y'all.
Redditor bigpimp0 wanted to know the best gift ideas for all the boys, by asking:
"What are good gifts for men?"
Gift cards, cash, liquor. Always good ideas. A better idea would be to get to know the guy you're shopping for, just a thought. let's think...
"WD40" ~ Zatknish007
"It's never not a good gift. Think about some random Tuesday in March. Someone gives you a gift of WD40 and you're a happy camper." ~ BurnedOutStars
"What actually really helps is Etsy. Go there and type in something they like (like One piece), and a bunch of cool things will come up. There's a One Piece weed grinder, if they smoke; there's a One Piece shadow lamp that looks cool; many various other things."
"It helps if you have a secondary noun to search for (one piece blanket, poster, shirt, ornament, sword, toy, etc), just come up with something they will use and get a one piece version of that. Cooking/working out is a little harder as they are mildly vague interests. Maybe some cookout gear or utensils for their grill." ~ TheRealOcsiban
"Got my bf a beard care set for his birthday and he loved it." ~ Mikachu09
"Honest Amish premium beard oil is hands down the absolute best beard oil you will find. Detroit Grooming Company also makes the best smelling beard butters as well. Both are on Amazon, check them out." ~ JustAnotherDude1990
"High quality THICK ribeyes. Maybe even some a5 wagyu. I ordered some from CrowdCow. It comes frozen so you can just keep it in your freezer until you give it to him." ~ iflexnuts_
"Oh, yeah I used to order really high quality steaks from one of those online places that pack and ship when I could not think of anything else for my dad! If y’all are on the left of the political spectrum Penzey’s spices are really good and they make gift boxes with some of their popular combo’s. (They donate to a lot of democratic causes and were very vocally anti Trump so just in case I wanted to let you know.)" ~ artichoke_dreams
"Tools. Nothing super expensive, but a good quality buy-it-for-life hand tool is the best. They'll appreciate it even if they already have one!" ~ yParticle
"Buy tools from the electrician section, screw drivers and wire clippers are of a much higher quality." ~ Dumguy1214
Interesting. WD40? I would flip out on someone. But that is me.
"The lazy option would be money. However, there isn't a good gift specifically for a man, only a good gift for that individual. For example, if this man is into his gaming, maybe get him a new controller or something??" ~ BigArnie02
$50 or something...
"I really like the subscription gift ideas. I’ve gotten a few and loved them, although I never personally continued any of the services. I find a quick 3-month promo is perfect as a gift. These days you can do craft beer and wines, jerky, other meat products, honestly you name it. I was always so excited to get my monthly shipment of craft beer for the few months the gift was in effect (Xmas maybe 3 years ago) and I think it only set my brother back like $50 or something." ~ tykogars
7 months since...
"Personally the best gift I’ve gotten is my best friend drove 200km to see me on my birthday I live alone in the city and don’t really know many people so having someone there was pretty awesome, it had also been 7 months since I had seen her( edit right the point just be there for them I guess)." ~ DansDailyDepression
"A massage, a guest membership to a gym, a gift card to detail their vehicle, a new set of awesome sheets. One of those fancy White cotton robes. A gift card for a haircut. Hire some landscapers to clean the front and rear lawn. Come on you guys." ~ WolfThick
'keep it simple'
"Depends on the guy, I always love to give gifts that people wouldn’t think to buy themselves.If the man isn’t a smart watch person, I really support getting a nice-looking watch. Men typically aren’t that excited about clothes, but watches are a great gateway into fashion."
"Go seiko, Casio, orient for reasonable options under $100. I have issues with MVMT and other heavily marketed watches, they’re overpriced and not made very well. For the geek in your life, battery banks and cables for their devices are very handy, personally I’ve never gotten stoked about picking one up, but great to have in the car or travel pack if you need them."
"For more of a 'keep it simple' guy, glasses for drinks are awesome. Decorations or posters of shIt they like (guys often don’t do much wall decorating). Other safe bets include informational reading material. Cook books, how to build stuff, how to make cocktails, interesting facts, topics of interest. Books get a lot of mileage when they are specifically useful." ~ Die_woofer
"It depends what he's into. Sports memorabilia? A nice bottle of whisky? Subscription to a magazine? Lego? Cinema pass? A lightsaber from Sabertrio? Nice pair of boots? A new BBQ? Novelty slippers? Aftershave? A house plant? There's no "one size fits all" gift unfortunately." ~ GarethOfQuirm
Ok, so we have a place to start. Get the Amex ready. Time to get crazy!
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