A DNR is a last resort for people who are terminally ill or injured and can no longer expect any quality of life. Although there are a few exceptions to this, end of life conversations are something that all families should have at some point.
YourBestNightmare asked doctors and nurses of Reddit: Was there a "DNR" patient that you knew could have made it? What's the story?
Submissions have been edited for clarity, context, and profanity.
First, some perspective.
I'm a doctor. I love this question, it's a great place to start. But, I can't answer it the way it's worded.
(DNR = Do Not Resuscitate, just so we're all on the same page)
The real question you have to answer first is this: How are you defining 'made it'? Is that just having a pulse? Breathing without mechanical assistance? Getting your nutrition from a surgically implanted tube? 'Making it' is different for different people.
So, that said, I think you're asking if a DNR order ever stopped us from saving someone that could have walked out of the hospital and lived a 'productive life' for a while longer.
No, I've never seen that happen.
DNR is usually requested by patients that have significant, ultimately terminal conditions. ( Don't confuse DNR with a 'living will', these are not the same thing). These patients have recognized that they've come close to the end of their lives and 'heroic efforts' are, at best, going to prolong their suffering.
It's a huge topic, it deserves much more time than we can give it here.
Also to add to this, there are a good number of times we could "get back" a DNR but the question that gets posed is "how is their quality of life".
Sure 90 year old grandma with cancer could have lived for another 2-3 months but is it going to be that great if we end up breaking all of her ribs to do CPR? If we need an artificial airway do we think she will ever get off or will she need a trache and never eat a solid meal again.
I have worked in the ICU for almost 5 years now and I can honestly say there has never been a case where I said "I wish <patient name> wasn't a DNR" though I can say on the flip side that at least once a weak I mutter to another medical professional "<patient name> really needs to be a DNR"
I've taken to working in variations of the phrase "I can do a lot of things TO your loved ones, but given their overall poor chance for a meaningful recovery, the question is whether I would be doing those things FOR them" into my goals of care discussions. Seems to get at least some people to understand that just because I can artificially extend life using machines for sometimes months at a time, should we actually be doing that.
DNRs are used in extreme situations.
One important thing to consider is that otherwise healthy people usually don't die and definitely don't have standing DNR orders.
That's usually only a code status you get tagged with if you're terminally ill and/or terminally elderly.
We only assign that designation when the patient, family, or power of attorney agrees, and when the patient has demonstrated a trajectory of illness toward unsurvivability.
Some examples of terminal conditions would be:
widely metastatic cancer refractory to treatments, end stage dementia plus acutely life threatening medical condition, cascading multiple organ system failure. Multiple successive critical care admissions over a short interval of time. Progressive failure to thrive at the end of life despite medical interventions and a potentially terminal event. An unsurvivable traumatic injury such as one that results in brain death or uncontrollable hemorrhage or widespread crush injury. Sudden cardiac death with prolonged hypoxia and anoxia brain injury, A massive acute stroke at an age exceeding recovery potential. Diffusely ischemic bowel beyond rescue confirmed surgically. Organ system failure with refused replacement therapy such as someone with Severe COPD that refuses ventilators support or someone with end stage renal failure that refuses dialysis. Patients already in hospice care.
Patients have a right to natural death without heroic interventions and associated expense to their estate should they so choose.
"Making it" doesn't mean having a quality of life.
I'm an emergency doctor, and DNR means do not resuscitate, the decision to place a patient in palliative care or label them DNR is when they have advance disease that cannot be improved or cured as their illness slowly progress and make their living harder and more painful, good examples are advance cancer , advanced COPD ..etc
You know a patient that could've made it? Probably most of them, but what do you mean by made it? Living under mechanical ventilation for weeks in the ICU and not able to wean them off until they eventually die, or living in severe pain/discomfort until they pass away? That would be the outcome if they were resuscitated,
The decision of DNR is not made on the spot, usually by the primary physician who knows their condition very well and know that there is absolutely no improvement or treatment to their current health condition and they try to make them as comfortable as possible.
Most patients/families that I encountered they understand and accept that they know it is a reasonable decision.
Cardiac nurse here. Most people I know probably could've made it, but the quality of life would be so low that living would be worse. Hooked to a ventilator, tubes in every hole, immense pain, TBI, brain dead etc. Very rarely do I see someone make it through a code and be at the same quality of life as they were prior.
My dad had his heart stop for less than 10 min. (Complications after surgery for his cancer). After he came back he was never really the same. The doctors helped him live another year and a half but he suffered a lot and his mental state and capacity were diminished. At the time there was no reason to believe he wouldn't make it and live a long life but the cancer ultimately spread and slowly took him.
Do I regret the extra time spent with him? No. However what I do know is that he would have had way less suffering if he never came back from that code.
With a few exceptions, death is often the most humane option.
Yes. Many patients are DNR plus DNI because many times you can't really do CPR in a hospital without also establishing an airway. We had an elderly gentleman in good shape/health in for severe pneumonia. He coughed up so much phlegm that he plugged his own airway. After multiple failed attempts to suction him orally and nasally when he turned gray we turned to the wife and offered to intubate him solely to remove the plug then immediately extubate him. She refused because she wanted to respect his wishes and he was vehemently opposed to being intubated or resuscitated. We watched him die. That's the only one that really sticks with me as being basically completely avoidable.
The truth is that far more patients should be DNRs but aren't than the other way around. Families really need to start discussing end of life care and expectations BEFORE they need to make that decision. Grandma won't live forever. I'm always a little amazed when people are so confused and dumbfounded that their 88 year old grandmother is dying.
Also it's a total myth that we won't work as hard to save you if you're a DNR or we just want your organs.
DNR does NOT mean don't treat. Even palliative care doesn't mean don't treat it just means that treatment options are more limited and the doctors are really looking at benefit vs risk. Comfort care means don't treat, just make them comfortable and let them die naturally.
Not enough families have the "talk."
It's usually the opposite in my experience actually. More often than not I have patients who are full codes, 90+ years old, advanced dementia, multiple co-morbidities, complete failures to thrive etc etc. And rarely do they have a family member who will advocate for them.
There are a handful of hospitalists that can't seem to bring themselves to know when enough's enough. And they always end up with these patients, and before you know it this poor old man or woman has an NG tube that we all know they goddamn well shouldn't be forced to have, and IV antibiotics for the pneumonia they're now drowning in and and and and.
There is nothing that breaks my heart more than when I admit a patient who's 95+ years old with a broken hip.
There's no telling how long someone will last.
Depends on what you mean by "made it". A decent amount of the patients with DNRs who stop breathing and go into cardiac arrest could be resuscitated and placed on a ventilator, but it's hard to say how long they would last, and their quality of life is usually already pretty grim by the time they get DNR paperwork filled out. I've never provided care for an otherwise healthy patient who stopped breathing and who had a DNR on file with the hospital, and finding a patient who fits that criteria is probably like finding a needle in a haystack.
And then there are the anti-medicine religious nuts.
I'm going to answer this question with a slightly skewed (and perhaps biased) answer.
I saw a young patient (20+) who had been in a trauma whose parents refused to allow us to treat him appropriately, basically allowing him to die. He had lost a significant amount of blood and needed to be transfused. His parents were Jehovah Witnesses and refused to allow him to be transfused. He was given so much saline to bring his volume and pressure up, that when you drew blood for chemistry, it looked like cherry cool aid. It was so serious that they were using vials designed for preemies instead of adults for blood draws. He died of a heart attack because he couldn't oxygenate anymore.
I find it hard to believe that was legal for his parents to make that decision. I know if he were a minor, it would've definitely been illegal, emergency care would've been provided, and it could've been pushed up the ethics chain if the parents strongly disagreed.
Medical staff have to respect a patient and family's wishes, especially religious. This sort of thing happens less and less as there are new alternatives to maintaining life without using blood products but it absolutely happens and is ethical.
You're right. If it had been a minor, this would have been quickly taken in front of a judge to appoint a guardian ad litem. In this instance, the parents of this adult can always say that these were his wishes too, at which point our hands are tied.
This is precisely a case why you need to appoint someone you trust as a medical POA, someone who will respect your wishes even though it may conflict with their own personal beliefs.
(As a side note, this was 20+ years ago and technology has improved)
Those who sign DNRs don't plan on coming back.
As others have said, but maybe I can put it more succinctly, people who are DNRs are not strong, healthy people. Sure, you might be able to revive them for some time, but their quality of life would be abysmal, which is why they chose to be a DNR: they don't want to live with tubes coming out of every hole, artificially keeping them alive.
So can a healthy person request DNR just to be an assh*le?
To be an assh*le to themselves? No skin off my nose if someone healthy wants to be a DNR. I'm not here to judge. It's their life.
This is pretty cool.
My sister was a foster child and the state tried to place a DNR on her due to a seizure disorder that hospitalized her many times. My parents fought them to have it removed. She had a hemispherectomy at age two, learned how to use her body all over again and is now living a very productive life for someone with half of a brain.
I've heard enough of these stories that I push back on the QOL judgement in healthcare. While they're working off a great breadth of info, it's not perfect. Hell, they discovered a woman with no cerebellum that could walk. She was described as "a little unsteady."
Any engaged couple looks forward to the big day when after months of planning, they get to tie the knot and declare their love in front of family and friends.
What could possibly go wrong?
It turns out there are so many variables that can contribute to making the bride and groom's celebration a major matrimonial miss.
Curious to hear examples of weddings gone wrong, Redditor lolf**kno asked:
"Those who have been to a ruined wedding, what happened?"
Dramatic brawls and speeches plagued these weddings.
Catty Attendees And Booze
"Very beautiful wedding in a huge barn at this apple orchard. They must have spent a ton of money on the decorations and catering because it looked like something out of a magazine. The ceremony was great, the flower girl did her thing, the vows got everyone choked up. Everything seemed to be going well. Not even 15 minutes into the reception the mothers of the bride and groom getting into a full out brawl, hair pulling, red wine being thrown. Their sons jump in to defend their honor, chairs start being throw, tables are flipped, parents are grabbing children and running for their lives."
"The bride and groom are horrified and leave immediately and head back their honeymoon suite. My fiancé and I left after this as well but we heard from some other friends that most people ended up staying and getting wasted at the open bar on the bride and groom's dime. Apparently, the fight started because one of the groom's sister complimented the bride's grandmother's dress. The bride's mom thought she was being sarcastic and called her a b*tch, then the drama ensued. Mind you they had all been pregaming the wedding pretty hard."
Playing For The Drunk Uncle
"I played a wedding where as we started playing the set, everyone ran outside and nobody was to be seen for the rest of the night."
"I originally assumed it was because nobody liked us but the bride came in afterwards and said there was a huge fight involving multiple members of both families and everyone basically went home upset, injured or in a police van."
"We couldn't stop playing since we were payed and it was our job, and the only person watching was the drunk uncle dancing on his own asking for requests we didn't know."
Maid Of Honor Speech Goes Off The Rails
"Was a guest of friend of the bride, did not know anyone attending. Very expensive over the top place, several hundred guests of this very Italian wedding. Maid of honor grabs mic at the cocktail hour begins her speech, rambling, drunk. Quickly devolves to stating the recently deceased mother of the bride was against this wedding and that's basically what killed her. Plus Vinny will never give up sex workers. She is tackled by several people and dragged away."
"The happy couple is separated and divorced within a year."
This is what happens when bad luck crashes weddings.
Tumbling Into The Sunset
"I work at a golf course with a lot of history behind it. We do wedding venues inside the clubhouse and the actual ceremony is held outside by the historic water fountain and large pond."
"First problem was the weather. I live in the high desert and it was very warm. A solid 90 degrees that day and it was also pretty windy. So everyone's outside, no umbrellas, no ezups."
"The next problem, and probably the worst, was the golf cart incident. The bride and groom wanted to 'ride into the sunset' on one of our golf carts. Drive around a little bit on the golf course. To be fair, it is beautiful on the course during sunset. However the cart had somehow gotten a nail in the tire, tire went flat, battery on the cart went crazy and the cart ended up freaking out. It came to an complete stop from 15mph to zero. The wheels and mechanisms locked up, almost seizing. Both the bride and groom (fairly overweight mind you) both fell out and rolled over a few times. They were totally okay, just a few bruises and perhaps a bruised ego or two. So retrieving that cart was fun."
"And last but not least, the power inside the clubhouse went out to do the high winds. There was no after party available. Only the cake was cut, hardly any food was given out. Yeah, not a great day to cover for someone on your day off."
"I was not born yet, but my parents rented the observation deck on the Hancock building in Boston for their reception. Tallest building in the city, beautiful view. My dad pored over historic weather charts to figure out what day was statistically most likely to be nice out. Day of the wedding comes and of course, thick fog unlike anything they'd ever seen before. Couldn't see a thing out the windows of the room they had picked specifically for the view."
"Worked out well though, they were happily married for nearly 30 years before cancer took my dad's life a few years ago."
"There's one other funny anecdote from that wedding: The wedding was held in Kings Chapel, which is an incredibly historic church here in downtown Boston that's somewhat of a major tourist attraction. To close that on a weekend afternoon for a wedding, it turns out, was not very expensive. The tourists waiting outside to see the church didn't know that, though, and someone started the rumor that my parents were incredibly wealthy, maybe even Kennedys. As a result, there were tons of people taking photos of them when they left the ceremony. Not sure if any of them ever figured out that my parents were most certainly not rich or famous."
"I was best man at my sister in laws wedding (stepped in for the brother of the groom, that's another story entirely)."
"For a whole year of planning all the bride (SIL) wanted was a dove release while they said handwritten vows to each other. Very small, non denominational (most of the family are atheist anyway) wedding."
"Day arrives (early summer) and something is off with the bird handlers. They show up a bit late and are sourcing help from the wedding party to get everything in line. When the time comes to say their vows I help the handler carry the chest with the doves in it over to what is to be the altar where the bride and groom are standing."
"Vows are just about wrapping up and the handler gives ME the signal to open the chest. I open it and see 20-30 DEAD DOVES IN THE CRATE!!!! I immediately close it to try and limit who knows what happened. Too late. The look of horror on the bride's was all that was needed. We spent the next few hours trying to cheer everyone up but by the end of the reception the entire wedding party had organized and filed animal cruelty complaints on the handler. It was all anyone could focus on."
Tragic losses unfortunately befell leading up to or at a couple's nuptials.
The Wedding Guest Who Left Too Soon
"When I was 6 or 7 I went to a cousin's wedding. Everything was fabulous for little me, so much sugar everywhere, basically heaven. The reception was in a big community center that was reserved for the occasion. Went to the girls' bathroom, passing by the men's room to see my uncle on the floor. Went back to the main room to tell my dad my uncle was looking weird. Well, uncle had a stroke and had died."
"The bride spent the rest of the afternoon crying, and everyone except close family left."
"Bright side is the mariage is still going strong 20 years later, despite what happened that day."
A Terminal Diagnosis
"Leading up to my friends wedding his father had been battling cancer after a terminal diagnosis. And it was touch and go whether he would be well enough to attend the wedding, in the end he was too unwell to attend despite wishing that he could."
"Just as we got to the wedding reception my friend was informed that his father had just passed away. It was devastating."
"Happened to my classmate. He is successful middle level manager, divorced, about 35yo or so. Found a girl of his dreams but from a provincial poor town. The girl insisted to have the wedding in her town to show off her 'success.' The wedding is crashed by her old friends including male friends who are not that sophisticated and have some tense feelings towards the successful groom from the city. Somebody starts a fight in the middle of wedding, groom is trying to stop it and got stabbed in the back. Died right there. And he was my classmate."
An Unfortunate Trespassing
"The wedding was at a state park that's famous for its giant gorge/waterfall. I don't know whose idea this was, but someone suggested a photo overlooking this gorge and everybody was game. The wedding party went around a stone security barrier and the maid of honor literally fell off the cliff to her death. It was like 500+ feet."
With a lot riding on a wedding to go off without a hitch, the mounting pressure is one where something is surely to buckle.
And because wedding guests are usually inebriated and high on the buzz of celebration, they throw caution to the wind and make some choices they wouldn't make under normal circumstances.
People's ill-advised actions can have regretful consequences, but no one expects death to be an outcome.
Fortunately, the weddings I've attended or heard about from friends were not as catastrophic as the anecdotes mentioned above.
While the Redditors' stories are sorrowful, it gives me a sense of relief these devastating examples are rare occurrences.
Sometimes I think back to a teacher I had when I was a kid who demanded to know whether any of us were "raised in a barn" in response to crappy behavior. Namely littering. She hated littering. Can you blame her? It's a horrible habit and some people do it with no sense of shame. She dedicated much of her time to telling students to pick up after themselves and dispose of things properly. For that, I'm thankful.
But why didn't anyone else get the memo? The trash I see on the streets is obscene.
People had lots of thoughts to share after Redditor SneakyStriedker876 asked the online community,
"What seemingly uncivilized thing is commonplace in society?"
"We delight in the deaths of others as long as we feel it was justified. But when the reverse happens we act all high and mighty like we wouldn't engage in the same behavior."
"Slaughtering each other..."
"Slaughtering each other via warfare to solve political differences. It's standard policy worldwide."
Indeed it is. And it seems impossible to stop.
"Littering. Especially dropping cigarette butts on the ground/flicking them out the window.
The world is not your personal ashtray/garbage bin."
Every now and then I find new trash in my yard and I am constantly amazed by how nasty people can be.
"Mobbing someone because of their opinion or for a comment they made a long time ago, even if that time was yesterday."
"Xenophobia. The fact that racism and racial violence still exist is an indicator that we're still tribal primates in fancy clothes."
And it makes no sense! It's not based in reality. We are truly a tribal species.
"Shouting while arguing, refusing to listen to the opinions of others, basically the inability to debate and maintain proper communication."
"Letting people die..."
"Letting people die of curable conditions simply because they can't afford healthcare."
Probably the biggest reason why much of the Western world looks at the United States with shame in their eyes.
"Parents forcing their kids to hug family/friends despite the kid being uncomfortable doing it. They feel uncomfortable for a reason."
"During the holiday season..."
"During the holiday season, customers take products off of our online fulfillment carts. Y'all have legs. Get your own."
"Using phone speakers..."
"Using phone speakers in public. I don't care what you and your friend think about that restaurant, or how much that Spotify jam speaks to you. Nobody else wants to hear it."
We truly need to stop all of these, don't you think?
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I love presents. I try to hide my enthusiasm, and I do my best to appease the greater public by saying "it's the thought that counts." But that is a WHOLE lie. I don't just love gifts, I love great gifts. And if you go rogue from my lists, please keep a receipt. It's just plain rude to divert from what the recipient has requested.
This thought process has emerged from experience. I have received some trash presents over the years and now I'm too old to pretend you just went crazy while shopping. Like... "do you even know me?!"
Redditor u/sulemannkhann wanted to hear all about the presents some of us have received that we prayed, came with a receipt, by asking:
What's the worst birthday gift you ever got?
Have we met? That is an actual question I asked a gift giver once. (Who shall rename nameless) Football tickets. FOOTBALL TICKETS?! Who? What? I can't.
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"My own scarf. Yes, that's right, my mother went into my room took my only scarf, wrapped it and gave it to me like it was a new scarf."
"Thought I was getting a bike for my 15th birthday but my foster parents announced that they were sending me to a group home after living with them for 11 years. Devastation! That place was a wake up call. More independence then at my foster home but those kids had it really really bad, 12 year old heroine addicts, abuse... what the entire hell! I hurried up, graduated from high school at 16 and got the hell out of that place. I turned out ok, work in the legal field, live in Las Vegas. I did forgive my foster parents before they died."
The Forgotten One
"My brother and I worked for a farmer one summer, and he paid us with a used car. At the end of the next year, my brother graduated high school, so my parents paid me out for my half of the car, and that was his graduation gift. I gave them all a big discount compared to what it was worth. So like $500 for my share of a $2500 car."
"2 years later, and I needed $50 for some graduation fees, so I borrowed it from my mom until I could get to the bank. (Before mobile banking and ATMs everywhere.) Later, when my mom is telling me they invited all their friends over for a 'graduation' party, I asked if they had gotten a gift for me. "Well I gave you fifty bucks."
"I paid it back the next day, and she didn't blink. The 'graduation party' was just my parents friends, who said congratulations to me, but it wasn't really for me. A few years later, my little sister graduated, she got a car. They bought a used car for her, and our other little sister got the same when she graduated. My parents are mostly nice, and I never felt like they singled me out at birthdays or anything. Just my graduation seemed like I turned invisible."
Office Party Fail
"HR complaint from two subordinates fighting over how to throw me a surprise birthday party."
"I've never worked in an office environment, but the stories I've heard of people being required to buy a cake for the whole office and to celebrate their birthday with their coworkers would be enough to keep me in blue collar work for life, were it not for the fact that I love being active and working with my hands and could never sit at a desk all day anyway."
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"My Asian mom's gift was "no extra Kumon homework after school homework" so my birthday gift was that I didn't get extra homework from her."
Regifting is trash behavior. Do better. I'd rather you just say I forgot. Or... I just don't care for that much. But regifting? No.
"Stomach flu and my first ever period, at the same time. I think it was my 13th birthday."
"Omg, exact same story for me. It was my 13th birthday and my family took us kids to visit our relatives in Subsaharan Africa for the first time. I was sick, jetlagged, overheated and riding down a bumpy road in a Jeep driven by my dad in the complete darkness. We had just eaten at a restaurant where I found a giant scarab beetle in the bottom of my soup bowl. I have flashbacks to this day."
"My grandparents have been gifting me (and my brother) the same set of three vice grips for almost 10 years. Collectively we have 60 vice grips. I don't know if they bought a pallet of them, or where they are coming from. GET A GRIP GRANDMA!"
"I had a friend who's father was famous for doing Christmas shopping at the last minute. One year she complained that she went downstairs on Christmas morning and found, sticking out of her stocking, a spatula. Her birthday was a few days after telling that story, so myself and her friends all decided to get together and get her spatulas for her birthday, as a gag gift."
"Well, when it was our birthdays she retaliated. Which lead to a counter-offensive. And soon a new tradition was formed. And guys, I have so many spatulas now. Everything from dollar store cheap plastic, to hand-carved spatulas, a golden spatula, and even a replica of the famous Malaysian fighting spatula."
"I've got seasonal spatulas. As in, today it's time to pack away the Christmas spatulas and bring out the heart-shaped Valentine's day ones, followed by the bunny-shaped Easter ones. We've also been passing around this clip from the Weird Al Yankovic movie UHF. "Spatula City, we sell spatulas, and that's all!"
Their ultimate whack-a-doo move...
"A pair of homemade custom pajamas. Only problem was that they weren't made yet. It was just the fabric and a promise to make them for me. I had to give the fabric back and I never got the pajamas."
"Nothing legal just at our wedding they gave us a card that basically said 'have some land.' When the dust settled I asked what they thought we would do with it, they said build a home. I said ok, gonna need legal ownership for like building a house. They said sure we will get right on that. Then they decide to sell out and retire and never mentioned our wedding 'gift' again."
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"My grandma got me a hairbrush with a plastic horse head handle. The horse head was all chipped up and there was hair in the brush."
"My Godfather sent me a Birthday card each year which said, he paid 100 bucks to a bank account which I was supposed to get, when 16yo. He then got into alcohol, used all the money and died."
Oh for God sake, why even bother giving anything at all? Lint rollers, used brushes, homemade pjs... y'all ever hear of a gift card? Just put five bucks on it and call it a day. You can't hide cheap, so stop trying.
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I'm still on the fence about this whole extraterrestrial situation. I need more proof. Now I'm not naive enough to think that in this vast, endless universe only the human race exists. I just need proof, tangible, solid, didn't see it from my trailer through beer goggles proof.
I also need proof about the afterlife, another out there topic. Truth be told, I've never been that into this whole conversation. I've got enough daily problems on this planet, let alone worrying about making Will Smith's biggest hits into documentaries and not just popcorn/comedy space farce.
But let's compare thoughts...
Redditor u/ValencikHannibal197 wanted to discuss life beyond this planet, what do we really think? They asked:
What's the best theory on UFOs or aliens you've ever heard??
I definitely wouldn't turn down an excursion to AREA 51. I'd like to poke around and get a sense of the place. I've never personally been up close and face to face with a "non-Earther." Not sure I'd like to be...
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"UFOs/Aliens are a cover for all of the secret projects that the government is working on. Actually stole that from the X files."
"How human birth parallels alien abductions:
- Babies are taken from their home (womb)
- They still developing sight, so they see bright lights and grey figures.
- They hear an "alien" language they don't understand.
- They suddenly feel cold after leaving their womb.
- They are in a surgery room being poked with tons of instruments.
Long story short: some people suggest that abductions are just people who had memories of their birth."
In the Mind
"I just don't think anyone will ever see this. But I think that UFO's are the projection of our unconscious collective mind. Everything that exists in reality, also exists, in our immaterial mind. Is it possible that the insides of our mind are also just one drop in the ocean of consciousness... and together we create the material reality were in, simply by experiencing it in a real way, inside-out through our senses."
"My father was an aircraft mechanic and fabricator for test and spy aircraft for the USAF. He spent 75-85 working with test aircraft. He said that when they were going to do a test, that could possibly be seen by the public, they would make a betting pool on how many UFO reports local authorities and flight towers received."
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"I like the idea that some UFOs aren't machines. Instead they are some sort of Upper-Atmosphere Jellyfish. I found the issue of Fortean Times that had this article. Here's the cover: http://ft.gjovaag.com/q/images/a/ae/FT291.jpg"
Interesting. There are some ideas we can look into. None of it proof, but possibilities. There are certainly plenty of future film ideas.
"We are like that un contacted tribe and everyone agrees not to bother us."
"I've heard it explained from a channel (idk if you know what channeling is) kinda like this. First of all, we as a species tend to freak out, shoot first and ask questions later. Most humans would have a literal psychotic break. You have to believe in vibrational energy as it relates to our consciousness."
"The aliens (certain ones) are at such a higher level that it would be jarring for us to come in close contact with. We are slowly getting there but it's a process. Like 2012, end of the Mayan calendar, wasn't the end of the world it was the end of an energy cycle that we as the human race had never made it past before."
"Previous civilizations have been destroyed or destroyed themselves before they got this far. We passed a point where we are very unlike to destroy ourselves anymore. This doesn't mean we won't see some real bad hardships yet but we will keep progressing."
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"I was a firm believer in t em when I was in high school and kept googling theories and info in my spare time and during my study halls. They said their bodies were so lightweight or something that the reason why you can't see the evidence is that they disintegrate before hitting the ground."
"And then LOL it was so funny, some people would swear you could "train your eyes" to see rods... HhhahAHAHAHA. Like there were these experts. Video showed him walking around with a serious face, then pointing. And he's like, "that was one just there." "You can't see them, you have to be used to them... like me."
"I've spent many years immersed into hunting them finding them. That's why I can see them." And then one day China, who loves occult stuff, had like a lab that set up a nighttime camera to capture footage of rods at night... then realized they were normal bugs at overexposure. lol"
"The Dark Forest theory. Basically the theory that the reason we haven't made contact is because all the other civilized life in the universe/galaxy knows not to broadcast their location. They've learned that there's something awful or predatory lurking in the dark forest of our galaxy, and that it's better if they keep to themselves."
"That the universe is so vast that we haven't been discovered yet."
"This makes sense to me because traversing the distance to or from even our our stellar neighbors would require technology that is not known to us now or likely to be known by us anytime soon if it's even possible at all. To assume without evidence that aliens could possess this technology and have visited us does not meet my skeptical standards."
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"Time travel exists, and UFO sightings are actually future humans coming back to our time. That is why they are so discreet, and never openly make contact."
I hope time travel exists. Now that I'm onboard for. If aliens do exist... just come on out guys. We could probably use your help.
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