Americans Sound Off On Eliminating Tipping In Exchange For Better Server Wages
Ah the age old, worldwide battle that doesn't seem to have a solid solution. "to tip or NOT to tip?" At this point it seems that really only America is the place you leave you're customer service staff a tip for their duties. So many other countries have made it a career with higher hourly wages, health insurance and PAID LEAVE. But do those in the service industry outside America make what service people in America make? There in lies the rub.
Redditor Rephaim777 asked people to share their thoughts about the service industry's pay by asking... Fellow Americans, How would you feel about eliminating tipping in exchange for providing a livable wage for the service industry? There is no unanimous answer on this topic yet. So feel free to weigh in.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL ABOUT THE BIGGER RECEIPTS!
I live in NYC and there are a few restaurants with a no-tipping policy. They provide a salary and health benefits to their staff. Overall the food is a little pricier, but without tipping it evens out. I enjoy it more because I don't feel like they are constantly trying to upsell me and the social interaction doesn't feel monetized. It's nice
WHO DOESN'T LOVE SURPRISE MONEY?
I really like how my company handles it. They pay us a very reasonable wage, and we do make tips, but evenly distribute it based on hours worked. So it really just feels like an extra bonus rather than a necessity to live on.
IT'S ALWAYS BETTER WITH THE KEYS TO THE LIQUOR!
I've only ever had two kinds of jobs ; those with minimum wage and those where I was tipped. I've always been better off with my tipping wages versus the"flat" hourly. I'm a bartender now and I can make a somewhat decent living.
THE FACTS...
I'm all for it, but no one in the industry will ever go for it. Restaurants like it because they don't have to pay as much. Waitstaff like it because they make good money off tips. If we move the other way, restaurants will pay more and waitstaff will make less no way it'll ever change.
$100 AN HOUR? SIGN ME UP!
It would take a lot of uncertainty out of the job, pizza delivery driver here. Though I'm sure a lot of servers and bartenders would complain about not making 50-100 dollars+ an hour anymore. I'd think people could still leave tips for really outstanding service.
IT'S ALL IN BLACK AND WHITE... OR... GREEN!
I thought it was a good idea until my daughter got a job as a waitress. She makes waaaay more with tips than she would without.
THE PROOF IS IN THE 'BENJAMINS!'
I use to be a GM of a pizza place. I had an employee get pissy because they thought I "sat around too much" (I worked 60-80 hours a week, I'm going to sit when I can). So we sat down and I asked why. He said that he felt like it was in fair. I asked why.
"Well you make more than me, and I feel like I work more than you."
Oh. Oh buddy. Let's break this down. And I did. I broke down what I did every week, every hour I put in and why. I asked him "who works more?"
"Well you, but you get paid for the work."
Oh. Oh no. Then we broke down how much he makes versus me. He made about $20-30 an hour on an average night. $50 an hour if there was a local college game (which considering we delivered to three colleges, that was a lot). Just working my 50 hours, I made $15. Working 60-80, I made about $10, including the bonuses. He just silently stared at the breakdown for a minute, the offered to pick up something for me to eat on his next deliver as an apology. After that, if someone was slacking, or he noticed I hadn't eaten in a while, he'd make sure I had time to sit for a minute and breathe.
Tips make a huge difference.
DON'T HATE ON THE MONEYMAKERS.
This kind of happened In Maine and it was quickly turned around by the public. For every person that complains they don't make enough in tips there is someone walking away with 200+ a night in their pockets. I've spent 12 years in the service industry. Sure, when it's slow wait staff makes less. But on a busy night hands down wait staff makes more than most in the kitchen. Same with bartenders.
This has variables though which makes it difficult. If you work in a small place with low turnover your likely to make less. If you work in a small town diner and deal with a lot of regulars you will most likely make less. Fine dining tends to pull in more. Same goes for high volume, high turnover places.
Let me shed some light on what happens in lots of restaurants. Most line cooks that are in charge of a station and have an important role make 12-15 an hour if they are lucky. (Some states have higher wages but I'm talking Maine here). OR they get shift pay. The last fine dining place I worked was shift pay and it's the main reason I don't cook anymore. You would work 10 to 14 hours a day with little or no breaks. 5 or 6 days a week. You would get 2 staff meals and a shift drink. That would earn you 125 to 150 a day. Sure that sounds great. Then you talk to the wait staff. They come in a 3pm, leave at 11pm. Have very little prep and are responsible for a 4 table section. They would work 4 or 5 days a week. On a slow night it's not hard to walk out with 250 in tips. Remember this is fine dining so the tip percentage is higher. On a busy night 300 to 400 easy. If you got a VIP in your section that number could easily double. Like I said this is one place and it is defiantly not the norm but it is quite possible to make a very comfortable living off of a tipped wage.
PREACH!!
Can't it be a hybrid system where they make a livable wage but you can still reward them for good above-and-beyond type service with a small tip? They're not mutually exclusive you know...
2 SIDES TO EVERY STORY!
60 y.o. waitress says NNOOOOooo!!!
HOWEVER THERE WAS A REBUTTAL....
30 y.o. bus boy / cleaner / backroom staff / etc etc etc says yeeeeeesssss!!
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I can't imagine doing that. Why?! We truly treat this planet as if we have somewhere else to go.
After Redditor pnrddt asked the online community, "What small action immediately makes you dislike a stranger?" people shared their observations.
"Playing music..."
<p>Playing music or having a 'private' conversation via speaker phone in a public place.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/ginci58?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">LLCoolBrap</a></p>"When they exhibit..."
<p><strong></strong>When they exhibit a personality trait that I also have, and don't like about myself. Every time I find myself being dismissive or judgemental of somebody, it's just my own insecurity.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/ginn0g5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3"></a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/ginn0g5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">iotangle42</a></p>"When I'm talking..."
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<p>Telling people to smile. It just screams condescending and a lack of emotional intelligence.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/ginovsj?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3"></a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/ginovsj?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">3FoolsinaTrenchcoat</a></p>"When I hear that..."
<p>Grown ups using "baby talk" to try to get what they want. I'm not talking about when people goo-goo at babies, but when they use a silly whiney voice to try to persuade people or make people do them a favour.</p><p>"Aww, pwease hewp me wiv dis wittle pwoject."</p><p>When I hear that I instantly lose respect for that person, be it a stranger or someone I know.</p><p>Pet peeve.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/ginbwb4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">handsahwill</a></p>"Okay, we get it..."
<p>One-upping people. "Yeah, that's pretty good, but one time I..." Okay, we get it, your life is more amazing than everyone else's.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/ginhrkd?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">well-uh-yeah</a></p>"When out driving..."
<p><strong></strong><strong></strong>When out driving, someone who pulls out in front of you, then proceeds to go 5-10+ mph under the speed limit.</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/gingjuj?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3"></a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/gingjuj?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">FuzzMcBeefy84</a></p>"If you don't..."
<p>Talking negatively about anyone who's just trying to have a good time in a fun setting. If you don't have nice to say shut the hell up.</p><p><span></span><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/gio4vf5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">intergLACTIC</a></p>"When people..."
<p>When people put other people down to try and make themselves look better. "Oh I'm just playing around with them we're friends." I don't care quit being an @ss you know what you're doing and you should be able to tell you're making them feel bad.</p><p><span></span><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ktpb6p/what_small_action_immediately_makes_you_dislike_a/gio9p3c?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank">inf303</a></p>"If it's into a drain..."
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Turns out, that second one happens a lot more than you might think.
For Fashion And Protection
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<p>Guy came in after being concerned the bed sheet had stuck to his lower leg. Turns out hed been using a petrol mower the evening before and it had exploded. Full thickness burn to his calf. No pain. He wanted to go home to feed his cows instead of being transferred to burns and plastics. Man it looked like white leather.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kuld31/er_doctors_and_nurses_of_reddit_what_is_the/gitkqf9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">DamaskRoses</a></p>Why Play Typical Catch?
<p>Guy was camping with his frat buddies and they were firing air rifles at each other with a baseball glove on.</p><p>The pellet was lodged well into his hand. Like, how did you think this was going to end?</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kuld31/er_doctors_and_nurses_of_reddit_what_is_the/gitq7lt?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">Milesofstyle</a></p>Close Eyes Off From The World
<p>I was in the ER as a patient next to a guy who was brought in via ambulance because he super glued his eye lids shut.</p><p>He was high as a kite, but so was I from the pain meds I'd been given for my own injury. Whatever meds I was given made me think everything was hilarious. I got yelled at by the nurses for laughing hysterically in the next room. He was being a pain in the a--, ER was on diversion already, and they were not amused.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kuld31/er_doctors_and_nurses_of_reddit_what_is_the/githxnc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">brubarbal</a></p>That's Why It's Called A "Dog" Toy
<p>A few stand out. Person somehow swallowed a spiked dog toy.</p><p>Someone tried to reverse his circumcision by cutting more of his d-ck off with a pair of scissors.</p><p>About every object known to man up the bum. 🎵 if you like it then you shoulda put a string on it." 🎵</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kuld31/er_doctors_and_nurses_of_reddit_what_is_the/gitnt24?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">bsn2fnp1</a></p>Yeah, But, How?
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<p>ER Nurse here</p><p>-We had a girl come in and who knows what she was doing but she had one of the thin glow sticks in her bladder, maybe some fun finger/glow play during a concert? I don't know but pretty wild.</p><ul><li>Also I had a Spanish speaking only gentleman explain why a shoe polish bottle was in his bum, we had to use a video interpreter due to the language barrier but it's was pretty wild to hear the interpreter say "I have a bottle of polish in my anus" after expecting him to just explain why he had belly pain. We also proceeded to print out multiple pictures of common types of shoe polish he used to ask him if it was "this one or that one". It was hilarious when he identified what one it was based on the picture, he had to go to the OR</li></ul><div><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kuld31/er_doctors_and_nurses_of_reddit_what_is_the/gitqmlm?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">AirFryersRule</a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kuld31/er_doctors_and_nurses_of_reddit_what_is_the/gitqmlm?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3" target="_blank"></a></div>Sounds Like A College Guy Thing To Do
<p>Had a university student who ignited a firework in his anus while drunk for the amusement of his buddies. It exploded, causing full thickness burns of his rectum, resulting in him needing a colostomy</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kuld31/er_doctors_and_nurses_of_reddit_what_is_the/giss6l1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3">ArcofRiolan</a></p>Wow...
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